Wow this thread is incredible.

4 hours ago, olisik said:

Why avoid surgery? Just give him surgery, get him right proper and prepare for 2020 opposed to trying to keep him on the park throughout a wasted season

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Agreed.

It will also allow him to get his foot right too.

4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If he has season ending surgery, when he could just have it now, after a 1-5 start to the year I just won't know what to think. But can see it happening being a Melbourne supporter. 

Hopefully the fact that he's only missing a couple means there's nothing structurally that needs fixing.

 

What the actual f**k.

Do you have any idea about shoulders, medicine, or surgery?

We should just send players in for surgery because it sounds like a good idea?

I don't put a huge amount of stock into what Tom Browne says but his use of the phrase "avoided surgery" surely means something along the lines of "there's no need for surgery to this injury".

It's like if he rolled his ankle. A minor sprain doesn't need surgery, but damaged ligaments/bones might. If he had just a minor sprain, you'd be advocating to just chuck him under the knife for no reason?

3 hours ago, poita said:

I still can't work out whether Viney took on Stack thinking he could run straight through him, or was completely oblivious to his presence. Either way it was extraordinarily poor football. 

I agree with other posters - if there is any thought that Viney could benefit from having surgery, just get it done. He has had little influence to date, so we will hardly be worse off getting games into a kid.

3 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

He definitely tried to take it on. 99% of players in the league would have side stepped it which was the smart thing to do and would have been beneficial for the team. Almost feel sometimes Viney is just out there to show how tough he is rather than actually play football and help his side win. 

We don’t need courageous acts that amount to nothing. We need match winners and that’s what a captain should do.

1 hour ago, TGR said:

He had a millisecond mate.

He didn't see him until the last split second as he did what most MFC players wouldn't, and that is keeping his eye totally on the ball.  Extremely poor football?  No, extremely poor commentary from you.

 

Viney is bloody tough considering he just got up and didn't even grimace.  I have whinged more about a biting my tongue.

I often don't find myself agreeing with you, TGR, but on this I do.

I have no idea what poita and At the break of Gawn are on about. He copped a hospital handpass, Stack was able to line him up, and Viney had no option but to wear it.

What I can't stand about Demonland is when people have ample material to constructively criticise someone but take something completely innocent and rant about that instead. If you're unhappy with Viney, let's talk about his poor kicking or his too frequent tendency to try to take a tackler on only to get caught, instead of this hit.

3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Would rather he plays HF pushing high (wide) and/or off the wing where he theoretically has more time / space to execute.  One of our best kicks coming i50 also so wouldn't hurt.

Tick. Correct.

4 hours ago, america de cali said:

He has been NQR all season. It will be like for like. Ordinary player replacing ordinary player. 

Viney, coming off 2 seasons ruined by a foot injury, played 1 preseason game for Casey then was selected for Round 1 and looked miles off peak fitness. Should have been targeted for a later start to playing games with Tommy Mac and Clarrie so they could build their fitness base with more preseason training loads. 

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

let's talk about his poor kicking or his too frequent tendency to try to take a tackler on only to get caught, instead of this hit.

Tried that two weeks ago and got hit by criticism. It was a suggestion to break the losses of momentum or disposession from the umpires. 

Will Viney ever play a full season??!  [censored] ME!!

3 hours ago, poita said:

I still can't work out whether Viney took on Stack thinking he could run straight through him, or was completely oblivious to his presence. Either way it was extraordinarily poor football. 

I agree with other posters - if there is any thought that Viney could benefit from having surgery, just get it done. He has had little influence to date, so we will hardly be worse off getting games into a kid.

Looked to me like he had very late notice of Stack's arrival and just had time to brace. The villain by my viewing was Max with that horrible hospital handpass to Viney.

Edited April 26, 20195 yr by pitmaster

Agree. Shocking handball.  

Maynard must now be given the chance. 

25 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Looked to me like he had very late notice of Stack's arrival and just had time to brace. The villain by my viewing was Max with that horrible hospital handpass to Viney.

Yeah it was your classic MFC floater.. seriously our worst area in need of improvement.

on another note, would love a Melbourne player this year to physical ruffle some opposition players feathers.. we look so polite this year..

4 hours ago, Dee-licious said:

Has Maynard been playing? Didn’t play last week and is not named this week either for Casey? 

 

Eradicated diseases in the last 40 years

• Smallpox.
• Rinderpest.
• Poliomyelitis (polio)
• Dracunculiasis.
• Yaws.
• Malaria.
• Hookworm.
• Lymphatic filariasis.

Those we haven't eradicated....

- NSC

- MFCSS

...........

Edited April 26, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

Viney has his limitations, but he is one tough bastard to get hit like that, then jog off the ground after the initial collision!!

4 hours ago, The Swimming Dee said:

Maynard is the ultimate hack bomb forward kick guy. Very poor skills. I’d rather play Sparrow or another kid

Well he should fit in with the rest of our mids then.

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Edited April 26, 20195 yr by Salems Lot
irrelevant post

A couple of weeks of a couple of games?

If a couple of weeks, the long break could get him up for GC. But does it really matter at this point?

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A couple of weeks of a couple of games?

If a couple of weeks, the long break could get him up for GC. But does it really matter at this point?

I think we all know the answer to that one

How about we bring in a different type of footballer than a slow hard at it player (I.e. Maynard). We are still too same paced so with viney out we can look to play someone who has either speed or repeated effort defensive running capabilities. Further, we could even take one of the million midfielders playing in every position bar the midfield and put them in the middle where they should be (eg Jones). If we bring in a Maynard I just think the coaches are missing at least one fundamental problem with our team.

For those of you that knock Viney's penchant to take on the tackler, FCS the alternative is play ultra safe with quickly handball off-load (ala Oliver) or just kick it to an outnumber.  Oliver is in the highest percentile with his hands, so Viney can't match him there.

Melbourne lacks pace and overlap...the so-called footy experts have finally realised this.  Viney is actually doing the team thing, and copping physical pressure and the ignominy of a few more holding the ball frees against, by taking it on himself to break a line.

 

 

28 minutes ago, TGR said:

For those of you that knock Viney's penchant to take on the tackler, FCS the alternative is play ultra safe with quickly handball off-load (ala Oliver) or just kick it to an outnumber.  Oliver is in the highest percentile with his hands, so Viney can't match him there.

Melbourne lacks pace and overlap...the so-called footy experts have finally realised this.  Viney is actually doing the team thing, and copping physical pressure and the ignominy of a few more holding the ball frees against, by taking it on himself to break a line.

The latest incident is one he couldn't avoid.  More generally, maybe he should learn Dusty's fend off rather than tuck the ball under his arm - he has lost any speed he had before his toe injury and gives away a free kick every time often costing us momentum.

 

Edit:  Decision on whether he has surgery will be made next Monday. Viney Assessment

Edited April 26, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

5 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

It's a split second decision.  If he didn't take him on half of D'land would be up in arms accusing him of squibbing it.

Would take a goer in the team any day over someone who blinks.

Hardly poor football.  Just part of the game.

Nailed it Rusty.

I actually don't think he could have avoided the bump.

10 hours ago, olisik said:

Why avoid surgery? Just give him surgery, get him right proper and prepare for 2020 opposed to trying to keep him on the park throughout a wasted season

Rubbish.  

Surely our history on giving up on seasons has never really helped us.  They need to show something for the rest of the season.

Edited April 26, 20195 yr by Demons11

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

A couple of weeks of a couple of games?

If a couple of weeks, the long break could get him up for GC. But does it really matter at this point?

He will just miss the Hawks I’d say 

10 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Is Maynard the obvious replacement at this stage? He is the only one I can think of. I think Tracc should move to the midfield, along with Melksham, for the next couple of weeks. 

Maynard is the Obvious coalface replacement...  but I like your idea of putting Tracca in the guts. 

I would rotate him (tracca) thru the bench...  this allows us to be quicker inside our F50.   More mobility creates pressure of Oppo's defenders.

9 hours ago, poita said:

I still can't work out whether Viney took on Stack thinking he could run straight through him, or was completely oblivious to his presence. Either way it was extraordinarily poor football. 

I agree with other posters - if there is any thought that Viney could benefit from having surgery, just get it done. He has had little influence to date, so we will hardly be worse off getting games into a kid.

Viney didn't know Stack was there,  imo...  until he turned his head and saw him,

I reckon Viney started to turn maybe with the thought that,  if he got tackled,  he could halve the contest.

 

I reckon Viney didn't consider he might get bumped hard.

6 hours ago, pitmaster said:

Looked to me like he had very late notice of Stack's arrival and just had time to brace. The villain by my viewing was Max with that horrible hospital handpass to Viney.

I don't think he had time to brace, because his body was half turned.  No tucking in really. that's why he was hurt, IMO

 

4 hours ago, Wunders said:

How about we bring in a different type of footballer than a slow hard at it player (I.e. Maynard). We are still too same paced so with viney out we can look to play someone who has either speed or repeated effort defensive running capabilities. Further, we could even take one of the million midfielders playing in every position bar the midfield and put them in the middle where they should be (eg Jones). If we bring in a Maynard I just think the coaches are missing at least one fundamental problem with our team.

True  'Wndrs'...  but also we need to find where players are up to,  Re our list strategy.

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The latest incident is one he couldn't avoid.  More generally, maybe he should learn Dusty's fend off rather than tuck the ball under his arm - he has lost any speed he had before his toe injury and gives away a free kick every time often costing us momentum.

 

Edit:  Decision on whether he has surgery will be made next Monday. Viney Assessment

He needed to hear voices...   the voices of his teammates,  telling of his situation.  "HOT" !!!

Maynard?

Omg