Tanking scandal documents

[whatwhat say what 23,444]

Quality timing...

https://bit.ly/2FNgq9T

[Demonland 73,495]

[Clintosaurus 7,926]

Robbo trying to help his Bombers? What a [censored]. Can't imagine there is anything new.

[Satan 2,915]

No 1 Essendon fan Robbo , held this back ?? Till we play Essendon?

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

wow

have read the first ten pages or so of Baileys record of interview

not good stuff but it's great that it is now out in the open

[Satan 2,915]

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

wow

have read the first ten pages or so of Baileys record of interview

not good stuff but it's great that it is now out in the open

Sadly bailey can’t defend himself , im sure his family is wrapped this is being dragged up again

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

6 minutes ago, Satan said:

Sadly bailey can’t defend himself , im sure his family is wrapped this is being dragged up again

Bailey's defence is clear in the record of interview.

In his view Schwab and Connolly impliedly if not actually threatened him with the sack if he won more than 5 games.

Bailey's regret is that he didn't complain to the Board and in particular to Andrew Leoncelli.

He admits that while he  never deliberately threw a game he was at best ambivalent (my words) about winning

[DV8 2,271]

19 minutes ago, Satan said:

No 1 Essendon fan Robbo , held this back ?? Till we play Essendon?

Thank you  Robbo !!!

He's just given us all the energy we needed,  to fight like Hell on Friday night.

[dazzledavey36 55,889]

What i learnt out of reading that is Connelly and Schwab are next level [censored]! Glad that they'll never set foot in this football club ever again.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

What i learnt out of reading that is Connelly and Schwab are next level [censored]! Glad that they'll never set foot in this football club ever again.

Yep.

We made massive mistakes in their time at the club, and they are mistakes I hope we never get close to replicating.

Still, at least we aren't drug cheats.

[martin 727]

If the AFL had all this evidence and documentation of tanking clearly the one in the gun now should be Gillon McLachlan. Basically found no case to answer. Really? Wait for the spin.

[dees189227 12,453]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/claims-of-faked-injuries-playing-to-lose-as-melbourne-2009-tanking-scandal-laid-bare/news-story/897ea8fbba0db2ba2f61f14ace919988

Um this was 10 years ago. Why would you bring it up now. Does it take Mick Warner this long to discover a story? Does he feel good about dragging 2 people's name through mud who aren't here to defend themselves. 

Its a new board, coach, players and CEO. I have no idea why this is relevant now. 

Hey Mick here is an idea go and investigate what was in the needles the essenscum players were injected with. 

[WERRIDEE 5,575]

Who cares we didn't tank. Collingwood tanked Hawthorn tanked move on.

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

Dean Bailey: There was no question I wanted to win. I remember Schwaby walking in andputs his head down and I can’t remember exactly what he said but it was something like:“F---ing Jesus, gee.” You know, shaking his head. Oh, I thought we are OK, we won. Hemumbled something about “difficult”, “hard”, what we’re doing to get to the end of the year,“gotta think of the club’s future” ... words to that effect. Chris said something to me about“F---ing Jimmy had just fallen out of his bloody hospital bed” or something. Oh, right. I justignored Chris, to be honest. Then the Monday morning meeting occurred exactly as yousaid. Chris is good with colour texta, he loves writing things on boards. He wrote up Scullyand I think he wrote (Tom) Scully and (Jack) Trengove’s names up on the board.

[Diamond_Jim 12,688]

Don't ignore it .... that's what Essendon have done.

Face the truth ...learn from it and be a stronger organisation

[whatwhat say what 23,444]

This is more about Warner hating Gil and the afl than it is us tanking 

[dees189227 12,453]

80 pages, obviously Mick has nothing else better to do. 

[rjay 25,306]

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Don't ignore it .... that's what Essendon have done.

Face the truth ...learn from it and be a stronger organisation

Agree 'Diamond'...

...but get really angry that other clubs are not held to the same standard.

2 clubs coaches have come out and basically admitted tanking yet nothing has been done about it and we are forever going to carry the can as the only club that tanked.

I guess like everything else we did at the time we were bad at it. I mean look at who was running the place and his offsider, jobs for the boys. Should never have been allowed back into the club.

It was a disastrous period and nearly sank us, we've still recovering.

If we pick the clever clubs then Collingwood, Hawthorn and West Coast covered up well. They set the standard...

Carlton had influencers (the guy who leaves the room) at the top to help them cover up and the Tiges, who knows why Wallace (and club) was never investigated over comments he has made.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Documentation / records?

What is that again?

Apparently they don’t keep them at Essendon. 

 

[rpfc 28,908]

23 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Don't ignore it .... that's what Essendon have done.

Face the truth ...learn from it and be a stronger organisation

Whether or not I agree that we did anything 'wrong' we have been made to face a truth no other club has had to. Every year the AFL allows clubs to sit players and play youth, with the incentive of a higher spot in the draft.

We have learnt from it and we are a stronger organisation. 

But we are alone in that damnation.

The AFL are the ones that need to learn.

[Chook 15,023]

Any time this crap came out (we all knew it eventually would) is a bad time for the Club. In Round 3 after a dodgy start to the year is pretty much the best time it couldd come out. Much rather this than in finals break week 2020 after we've finished top of the ladder. 

Bring it. No one at the club is proud of that time, and almost everyone who made it happen is either dead or dead to footy. Do your worst, media muckrakers.

[DemonOX 8,837]

FFS who cares it’s way in the past. 

Could have been worse we could have been drug cheats. 

Good work robbo, quality as usual. 

Edited April 4, 2019 by DemonOX

[Little Goffy 14,751]

Honestly, after 30 minutes trawling through, I'm not seeing a single unexpected word.

Have to wonder if this is the Herald Sun actually trying to influence the result of a game? Don't really think it'll work, it'll just get added to the symbolic 'mean tweets' banner really.

Other possibility is that the plan is to spit this out just before the game and then imply (in the event of a loss to Essendon) that it is a factor in a club spiralling back into crisis. Or, of course, if we win, it is the other sensationalist article, 'club rising above adversity'.

I'm starting to think the sports media are a bit shabby.

 

 

[Macca 17,113]

At least a dozen clubs have tanked and it has happened about 40 times. And it still goes on.  Why should any Demon supporter feel one ounce of guilt about tanking?  Seriously?  So we tanked,  who cares?  I don't and never will.

I'd happily see the club tank again if needs be.  And I suspect we did tank in a very subtle way in 2014.  Rule of thumb ... If you think a club is tanking,  they are probably tanking.

But there again,  the draft is severely flawed anyway so you can tank for garbage returns.  That's the risk but again,  it's a risk worth taking.   If we had have better returns through our tanking,  the tanking investigation would never have happened.  Ask Hawthorn & Collingwood - both teams tanked and then won premierships.  So it is risk/reward/kick in the guts.  

As an example,  Carlton have tanked at least 6 or 7 times (including last year) ... and every Carlton supporter I know freely admits that their team tanks regularly.  They are not ashamed either - they couldn't give a f/f.

It's as if the footy public & footy media are continually outraged about something that occurs regularly ... they're either oblivious to the obvious or are so attached to footy that they simply don't want to know about it.  I suspect the latter explanation is more apt.

 

Footnote ... tanking has probably occurred in the USA over 200 times in the last 20 or 30 years.  Same circumstances - a draft and people are the same all over (i.e  all humans have the same exact traits - greed,  cheating,  envy etc etc)  And the yanks couldn't care less about tanking - it's an ancient,  irrelevant story over there.

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

Gutter journalism at its finest. Then again what do you expect from the likes of Robbo, Warner, Clark, Ralph and the rest of the HS footy department. Sensationalist at best.

I''ll stick with The Age thanks, there's still an ounce of humility there.