3 hours ago, A F said:

Daniher kills us every single time. He generates 5+ shots on goal against our defence. Absolutely owns us. The only reason we've beaten them the last two times is his poor kicking. The last time he kicked straight, they beat us.

He May not from now on. He will be Mayde to earn every possession.

Edited October 31, 20186 yr by Redleg

32 minutes ago, dino rover said:

I have no sympathy for them but they cant be perpetually punished

 

Agree

The Sheil deal stinks.

They are rorting the cap.

I am certain of it.

Time will prove me right.

 

In 2018, Essendon had about 70,000 higher total attendance at home games than Melbourne did.

For the effect of the Darwin and Alice Springs games, knock 40,000 off (crowds being 26,000 instead of 6,000 is a fair enough call I'd say)

Counted that way, the difference is about 5%, ignore that effect, the difference is still only about 10%.

Essendon ain't what it used to be. Seems like, for some reason, a layer of their support may have been brushed off by accident.

And Melbourne are a lot more fun to watch, too.

My feelings towards Essendon are the same as most posters.

However, references to the past now seem well....very dated. A little like Demon fans consistently referring to our dark days. Its simply time to move on.

In regard to performance enhancing substances there are no clean skins, individually and collectively.  

However, Essendon's coaches, administration  and players have changed and we have 3 of them. 

They are going to be a real threat over the next few seasons. Well balanced, pace to burn and high intensity. 

They are on the rise.

This just stinks of Gillon playing favorites; poor misunderstood drug cheats. 

Perhaps it is time for them to change their nickname. Is that the correct definition? "Bombers" has so many negative connotations in this age. I would think that name was adopted to celebrate the destruction of Germany in WW2 by Bomber Command, something that now seems rather less  glorious with the benefit of hindsight. Dresden and all. They should adopt a name that celebrates a profound and unique achievement in the modern age. I propose The Chemists.  

4 hours ago, A F said:

I had Essendon in my 8 this year. I've really rated them for the past two years. That is, I've really rated their list.

They've actually got a really good list balance. Yes, okay, maybe they lack inside depth, but they will challenge next year if they can keep Daniher and Fantasia on the park. 

Adding Shiel to that midfield makes them extremely dangerous. I noted a few Demonlanders don't rate him, but I think he's a star and will add not only inside hardness to their midfield, but more breakaway pace.

My concern with Essendon (from a Melbourne point of view) is their leg speed and potential speed of ball movement. If they get it right next year, they'll murder us on the outside.

I think Worsfold is past it, but there's a chance with his list that he could pinch a flag in the next 2 years.

When they click they can be very good but a flag? I see top 4-6 as their ceiling. Fact is Bombers sell so of course spring/summer articles about the Bombers being flag favourites are going to draw eyes. Same things were said last year, how'd that turn out.

1 hour ago, dino rover said:

I have no sympathy for them but they cant be perpetually punished

 

there is however a vast difference between punishment and reward, eh?

Couldn't stay out of this little "bummer" session any longer.....

Shiel, anyone who combs his hair for three hours before every game, will fit in real well with this mob. Better than where he used to be  with "Kelly" itis.

Daniher, i think, is either past it, leg/head wise or the family are in his ear about a new start.

Sheedy mark 2, sorry players are looking for something different.

TWSNBN would do well to think of another name, and need to buy some Carlton sized brown valises.....for umps, AFL retirements etc.

Sheil must be the greatest footballer to ever play the game if Essendon are to improve that much. They will improve but they are not premiership material. 5th to 8th is where I see them.

10 hours ago, dino rover said:

I have no sympathy for them but they cant be perpetually punished

I'm not saying they need to have the boots sunk in at every opportunity. I'm saying in what universe do they of all clubs deserve such a reward over a club like the Dogs, who recently won a flag, and went through a stretch of something like 5 years without a Friday night game?

11 hours ago, dino rover said:

I have no sympathy for them but they cant be perpetually punished

 

Possibly not. But it would be a lot easier to accept if they had been properly punished in the first place and more significantly if so many sycophants in the media and elsewhere hadn't bent over backwards to excuse their disgraceful behaviour.   A bit like cover-ups being worse than the crime.

3 hours ago, sue said:

Possibly not. But it would be a lot easier to accept if they had been properly punished in the first place and more significantly if so many sycophants in the media and elsewhere hadn't bent over backwards to excuse their disgraceful behaviour.   A bit like cover-ups being worse than the crime.

This has been hashed over for ever.

We just have to accept that the AFL, the footy media, the clubs, the players, every tom, [censored] and harry, have common interests.

Again, its marketing, revenue, commercial interests that control not only what happens but how it is presented. 

The AFL and their apparatchiks have been re-branding Essendon and attempting to extinguish the past for the last 3 or 4 years. 

Giving them a great fixture gets crowds back, TV ratings up, and an opportunity to talk about the new Essendon powerhouse.  

And in time history will be rewritten consistent with common principles of revisionism 

Its what history and effluxion of time tells us.

17 hours ago, A F said:

And don't get me wrong. I hate Essendon with a passion. They're a blight on our competition and should have been sat out of the league for a year and not allowed access to the first round of 2-3 drafts. Their 'sanctions' were far too weak.

 

14 hours ago, daisycutter said:

there is however a vast difference between punishment and reward, eh?

There are plenty of academic papers which discuss punishment versus rehabilitation. Clearly the AFL prefers the latter. And for the long-term good of the AFL competition, that's probably the right call.

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

This has been hashed over for ever.

We just have to accept that the AFL, the footy media, the clubs, the players, every tom, [censored] and harry, have common interests.

Again, its marketing, revenue, commercial interests that control not only what happens but how it is presented. 

The AFL and their apparatchiks have been re-branding Essendon and attempting to extinguish the past for the last 3 or 4 years. 

Giving them a great fixture gets crowds back, TV ratings up, and an opportunity to talk about the new Essendon powerhouse.  

And in time history will be rewritten consistent with common principles of revisionism 

Its what history and effluxion of time tells us.

Feel like changing your name to Orwell?

19 hours ago, A F said:

Daniher kills us every single time. He generates 5+ shots on goal against our defence. Absolutely owns us. The only reason we've beaten them the last two times is his poor kicking. The last time he kicked straight, they beat us.

He won't with Lever and May in the side now.

What have they done to deserve 5 Friday Night games FMD. Good Friday thrown in for good measure absolute [censored] disgrace. This is the same club that bout shame on our great game, now they are getting rewarded left right and center without making the 8.

#PatheticAFL

 

 

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

And in time history will be rewritten consistent with common principles of revisionism 

Its what history and effluxion of time tells us.

Fascinating...as I grow older, I have become very interested in reading  histories from alternative aspects and understanding the power of written histories. India under the British from the viewpoint of the Indians is an easily accessible example.

A useful piece of trivia.. there are actually three people who could rightly claim to be the "founder" of Singapore.

After Raffle's death his widow wrote a book pushing his story forward as the new Clive etc to enhance her chances of getting a pension from the East India Company and as they say "the rest is history."

Hopefully the dark lessons of history that came from the EFC drug saga are not lost but I suspect like in many other areas we will repeat it.

Edited November 1, 20186 yr by Diamond_Jim

16 minutes ago, Bluey's Dad said:

Feel like changing your name to Orwell?

Only Orwell book i enjoyed was Down and Out in Paris and London. 

I could relate to it.

"Bluey's Dad", now I wish I had thought of your nom de plume. Brilliant.

   

Its interesting that the AFL has put its chips on Essendon on the back of their 'successful' trading...last time I looked their only trade of note was Shiel. 

Last year the AFL put its chips on Carlton who have now been banished to day games (only two night games).  Backing Ess could easily backfire, not as spectacularly as Carlton did but backfire nonetheless.  But hey, couldn't happen to a 'nicer' club!!!

13 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Sheil must be the greatest footballer to ever play the game if Essendon are to improve that much. They will improve but they are not premiership material. 5th to 8th is where I see them.

Fully agree. At best.

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Fascinating...as I grow older, I have become very interested in reading  histories from alternative aspects and understanding the power of written histories. India under the British from the viewpoint of the Indians is an easily accessible example.

A useful piece of trivia.. there are actually three people who could rightly claim to be the "founder" of Singapore.

After Raffle's death his widow wrote a book pushing his story forward as the new Clive etc to enhance her chances of getting a pension from the East India Company and as they say "the rest is history."

Hopefully the dark lessons of history that came from the EFC drug saga are not lost but I suspect like in many other areas we will repeat it.

India is a great example Jim. 

We need to be concerned where it incites racial, religious and ethnic differences.

Or where it suggests that cheating did not happen. 

 

Just now, hemingway said:

Only Orwell book i enjoyed was Down and Out in Paris and London. 

I could relate to it.

"Bluey's Dad", now I wish I had thought of your nom de plume. Brilliant.

   

Fair enough on the Orwell front, can't argue with that.

It's likely this username is the cleverest thing I'll come up with in my lifetime. It's all downhill from here.

An apology if it's been mentioned: according to KB and Doc the EFC is offering a 2-ticket, 1 game membership for $25. That should see their membership hit the 100k.

I could do the maths, (but won't)and  calculate how many of these mships Paul Little could purchase with the $6.5b he reaped from the sale of Toll.