My 3 word player analysis V Bulldogs

[joeboy 2,891]

Definitely what I saw. There was an obvious exponential will to take the game on quicker and more directly, from my observations 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,055]

Too Early to start stroking poles against lame opponents, lets see what the next 2 weeks holds in store for us.

[binman 39,248]

On 7/15/2018 at 12:44 PM, H_T said:

Oscar - Only one error

Oscar - (unlike 95% of his teammates) rarely misses targets

and/or

Oscar - kicking technique excellent (unlike 95% of his teammates) 

and/or

Oscar - is Doctor Cool (unlike 100% of his teammates) 

[joeboy 2,891]

Except he was taken apart by his opponent who took a team high 8 marks against him, which was 1 less than Hogan took in a forward line that was inundated with entries

Edited July 16, 2018 by joeboy

[juzzk1d 1,354]

Our team mates really need to help Frost out when it comes to his disposal. I noticed on several occasions, Frost will kick it to the player who is declaring for him to pass the ball. He doesn't anticipate or notice who is around that team mate, he will just do as asked.

This is what Gawn did on the wing, lead up and declared for the ball, only to be surrounded by 3 doggie players at ground level. When the ball is in Frosts hands, his team mates should only be declaring and screaming for him to pass it if it's completely safe to do so.

Otherwise point and tell him to go long to the boundary.

[Deemania since 56 6,294]

On 7/14/2018 at 7:17 PM, joeboy said:

Jones - not his best

Hogan - great second half

T.McDonald - versatile and important 

Garlett - clever but limited

Neal-Bullen - scoreboard pressure only

Spargo - energy and anticipation 

Hannan - little to excite

Lewis - some important touches

Melksham - better second half

Oliver - genius at work

Petracca - quicker ball delivery

Fritsch - rarely wastes possessions

Vince - played his part

Brayshaw - career best game

Frost - confident and strong

Gawn - dominated the air

Harmes - playing important roles

Hibberd - safe and important 

Jetta - was rarely sighted

Kennedy -Harris - deserves another game

O.McDonald - loose and unconvincing

Salem - rebounded with aplomb

 

Nailed it all in this report. We missed Viney quite severely, Jones needs to go the HBFlank for run and carry, and short passes. 

[Deemania since 56 6,294]

On 7/14/2018 at 7:22 PM, monoccular said:

JFK topped the tackles

He was good in tackles and nearby clearances.

[Deemania since 56 6,294]

On 7/15/2018 at 12:04 PM, dimmy said:

I have not been a great fan of Frosty, but have never ever doubted his efforts. He has been better since returning because he provides abig strong bloke ib defence. However his disposal does leave a little bit of improvement. Maybe we learn to use his good points and cover for any deficiencies

Many of our receivers are static, both ways. Teammates can make a deep defender look far better with anticipated movement into space - and there was plenty of that space  at the 'G on Saturday - some of Frosty's passing was really good, and clearances at times could have been exceptional with downfield assistance/initiative. The Lewis factor kicks well to static players; so that is now our limit to defensive clearances? 

[daisycutter 28,709]

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

Except he was taken apart by his opponent who took a team high 8 marks against him, which was 1 less than Hogan took in a forward line that was inundated with entries

except that dogs had 5 more inside 50's

just saying

[binman 39,248]

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

Except he was taken apart by his opponent who took a team high 8 marks against him, which was 1 less than Hogan took in a forward line that was inundated with entries

If true that doesn't negate my comments about how reliable his kicking, which is super important in a team with so many poor kicks. And he is Dr Cool.

But i don't recall him getting out marked on 8 occasions by Shache. And he wasn't playing man on man on Shache either IIRC so his 8 marks are not on him entirely.I will do an AFL Pro audit and get back to you.

[DeeZee 6,889]

I thought OMac played a great game.

[Demon trucker 1,788]

3 hours ago, binman said:

If true that doesn't negate my comments about how reliable his kicking, which is super important in a team with so many poor kicks. And he is Dr Cool.

But i don't recall him getting out marked on 8 occasions by Shache. And he wasn't playing man on man on Shache either IIRC so his 8 marks are not on him entirely.I will do an AFL Pro audit and get back to you.

This is what u call a fake news, there was only 9 marks inside 50 so how many of shache marks where inside 50?, Joe boy hates OMAC and has never said anything postive about him, who plays on anyone the whole game anyway.

Did shache take those marks up the ground, I was at the ground behide the goals, I  had a good view of the backine for half the game, you know joeboy is bias OMAC played way better then frost, OMAC hit almost all of his targets by foot, frost was good in the air but missed every target by foot at my end, OMAC was strong and confident, not loose and unconvincing, and frost was strong in the air but was very unconvincing with the ball in hand.

I hate bias people, report the facts not fake news, it destroyers his  credibility.

[jumbo returns 6,599]

Mitch Hannan - back to Casey

[loges 6,289]

Question regarding JKH, 9 tackles, great defensive work. Can anyone tell me if he added anything offensively to the side?

[kev martin 9,327]

35 minutes ago, loges said:

Question regarding JKH, 9 tackles, great defensive work. Can anyone tell me if he added anything offensively to the side?

Saw a play from the centre bounce and I think in the 3rd quarter run. JHK came in from the southern wing and collected the ball cleanly and with fast hands handballed it to a MFC player who called for it. He also made a fast handball as was under the pump and hit a free player ending in a 50 entry. Beautiful hands, quick and clean, beat his opponent to the contested ball, listened to teammate and kept our run going. Can't remember who the other Dee players were. Must be other plays as well but I liked his participation in this attack.

Edited July 16, 2018 by kevin martin

[binman 39,248]

8 hours ago, binman said:

If true that doesn't negate my comments about how reliable his kicking, which is super important in a team with so many poor kicks. And he is Dr Cool.

But i don't recall him getting out marked on 8 occasions by Shache. And he wasn't playing man on man on Shache either IIRC so his 8 marks are not on him entirely.I will do an AFL Pro audit and get back to you.

As promised:

The Josh Schache marking file: an AFL Stats pro adventure

Here are the facts:

• Took 8 marks
• All but one was uncontested
• His one contested mark was excellent and was taken on OMac
• He only had one mark after half time
• 3 of his marks were inside 50 - none were contested 
• Omac was not on him for 2 of the 3 inside 50 marks Schache took  
• The other occasion Omac was on him but could not be blamed as Tmac turned the ball over (poor kick to Vince) and Schache was gifted a goal with an easy mark running back into the goal square
• 5 of his marks were across the middle of the ground (wing or in the centre square), including his 1 contested mark
• OMac was playing well off Schache and of the 4 uncontested marks he took up around the middle of the ground was playing 10 metres in front of Omac who sagged off him and let him  take the marks unopposed (as per coaching direction no doubt)

So in summary Omac was beaten once in a marking contest by Schache, which was the one contested mark he took all day.

The majority (five of eight) of his marks were well up the ground which no doubt our coaching staff loved seeing given he is a key forward. And none of the his 3 inside 50 marks were the fault of Oscar.  

Here are some of the facts about Omac's game, courtesy of AFL stats pro:

• 9 Contested Defence One On Ones (season average 4.1)
• 11 one per centers (season average 6.8)
• (A note on 1 percenters - they include marking contest spoils. Stats pro records a marking spoil as a spoil AND as a once percenter. Not sure why, but in the advanced stats in the match report, which is how  stats pro is structured, they don't list spoils, just 1 percenters. But most 1 percenters are actually spoils, so really good stat to use to compare defenders playing similar roles. As an example of Omacs 11 1 percenters 9 were spoils)
• 9 spoils (season average 6.4) with 6 against Schache and 3 against Cordy who was the main dogs deep KPF in the second half 
• Took a nice intercept mark in their goal square when he out read and out marked Schache 
• 91.7% disposal efficiency (season average 70.4) - by the by ANB had 17 disposals at 100% which is pretty impressive

So in summary,  whilst you could argue with some justification he was no star it is very difficult to mount a credible argument that he was 'loose and unconvincing', particularly if that assessment was partly based on Schache getting 8 marks (by the by his other opponent, Cordy, had 2 marks for the day). Easier to argue he had his best game since Lever went out.

I think it was H T who suggested there might or should be a discussion about Omac being replaced by a Keilty or Pedo (i think or perhaps he said Smith?).

Apologies to H T if someone else but there is zero chance Omac gets dropped this season. Zero.

Indeed as i argued at the beginning of the season it will be a long, long time before he plays another games at VFL level. Dr Cool will play 200 plus games as a key defender for the dees. 

Edited July 16, 2018 by binman

[binman 39,248]

Can't delete - tired to edit but failed and quoted instead

Can't edit poost above for some strange reason. A time limit?

Was trying to add 

So in summary Omac was beaten once in a marking contest by Schache, which was the one contested mark he took all day (twice if you count the slick one hander Schache plucked on the lead - which was recorded as an uncontested mark) .

Edited July 16, 2018 by binman

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

8 hours ago, binman said:

As promised:

The Josh Schache marking file: an AFL Stats pro adventure

Here are the facts:

• Took 8 marks
• All but one was uncontested
• His one contested mark was excellent and was taken on OMac
• He only had one mark after half time
• 3 of his marks were inside 50 - none were contested 
• Omac was not on him for 2 of the 3 inside 50 marks Schache took  
• The other occasion Omac was on him but could not be blamed as Tmac turned the ball over (poor kick to Vince) and Schache was gifted a goal with an easy mark running back into the goal square
• 5 of his marks were across the middle of the ground (wing or in the centre square), including his 1 contested mark
• OMac was playing well off Schache and of the 4 uncontested marks he took up around the middle of the ground was playing 10 metres in front of Omac who sagged off him and let him  take the marks unopposed (as per coaching direction no doubt)

So in summary Omac was beaten once in a marking contest by Schache, which was the one contested mark he took all day.

The majority (five of eight) of his marks were well up the ground which no doubt our coaching staff loved seeing given he is a key forward. And none of the his 3 inside 50 marks were the fault of Oscar.  

Here are some of the facts about Omac's game, courtesy of AFL stats pro:

• 9 Contested Defence One On Ones (season average 4.1)
• 11 one per centers (season average 6.8)
• (A note on 1 percenters - they include marking contest spoils. Stats pro records a marking spoil as a spoil AND as a once percenter. Not sure why, but in the advanced stats in the match report, which is how  stats pro is structured, they don't list spoils, just 1 percenters. But most 1 percenters are actually spoils, so really good stat to use to compare defenders playing similar roles. As an example of Omacs 11 1 percenters 9 were spoils)
• 9 spoils (season average 6.4) with 6 against Schache and 3 against Cordy who was the main dogs deep KPF in the second half 
• Took a nice intercept mark in their goal square when he out read and out marked Schache 
• 91.7% disposal efficiency (season average 70.4) - by the by ANB had 17 disposals at 100% which is pretty impressive

So in summary,  whilst you could argue with some justification he was no star it is very difficult to mount a credible argument that he was 'loose and unconvincing', particularly if that assessment was partly based on Schache getting 8 marks (by the by his other opponent, Cordy, had 2 marks for the day). Easier to argue he had his best game since Lever went out.

I think it was H T who suggested there might or should be a discussion about Omac being replaced by a Keilty or Pedo (i think or perhaps he said Smith?).

Apologies to H T if someone else but there is zero chance Omac gets dropped this season. Zero.

Indeed as i argued at the beginning of the season it will be a long, long time before he plays another games at VFL level. Dr Cool will play 200 plus games as a key defender for the dees. 

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - President John Adams (although said in a court case before he became President).

[joeboy 2,891]

I was at the game and watched the full replay twice, and I don’t retreat from my initial description of his performance.

And for whomever it was that claimed I have an anti OMac bias, I think you’ll find that more often than not, I give him positive reviews .

[drdrake 3,058]

I saw one Tmac kick must have been when he was rucking and was down back, for a guy that is so dead eye with goal kicking his field kicking is really bad.

Frost, the brain and legs go to fast and he gets himself into trouble, he can kick just picks the wrong option.  Need to stick with him as we need him playing well to have any chance to make finals.

[Demon17 4,693]

9 hours ago, binman said:

As promised:

The Josh Schache marking file: an AFL Stats pro adventure

Here are the facts:

• Took 8 marks
• All but one was uncontested
• His one contested mark was excellent and was taken on OMac
• He only had one mark after half time
• 3 of his marks were inside 50 - none were contested 
• Omac was not on him for 2 of the 3 inside 50 marks Schache took  
• The other occasion Omac was on him but could not be blamed as Tmac turned the ball over (poor kick to Vince) and Schache was gifted a goal with an easy mark running back into the goal square
• 5 of his marks were across the middle of the ground (wing or in the centre square), including his 1 contested mark
• OMac was playing well off Schache and of the 4 uncontested marks he took up around the middle of the ground was playing 10 metres in front of Omac who sagged off him and let him  take the marks unopposed (as per coaching direction no doubt)

So in summary Omac was beaten once in a marking contest by Schache, which was the one contested mark he took all day.

The majority (five of eight) of his marks were well up the ground which no doubt our coaching staff loved seeing given he is a key forward. And none of the his 3 inside 50 marks were the fault of Oscar.  

Here are some of the facts about Omac's game, courtesy of AFL stats pro:

• 9 Contested Defence One On Ones (season average 4.1)
• 11 one per centers (season average 6.8)
• (A note on 1 percenters - they include marking contest spoils. Stats pro records a marking spoil as a spoil AND as a once percenter. Not sure why, but in the advanced stats in the match report, which is how  stats pro is structured, they don't list spoils, just 1 percenters. But most 1 percenters are actually spoils, so really good stat to use to compare defenders playing similar roles. As an example of Omacs 11 1 percenters 9 were spoils)
• 9 spoils (season average 6.4) with 6 against Schache and 3 against Cordy who was the main dogs deep KPF in the second half 
• Took a nice intercept mark in their goal square when he out read and out marked Schache 
• 91.7% disposal efficiency (season average 70.4) - by the by ANB had 17 disposals at 100% which is pretty impressive

So in summary,  whilst you could argue with some justification he was no star it is very difficult to mount a credible argument that he was 'loose and unconvincing', particularly if that assessment was partly based on Schache getting 8 marks (by the by his other opponent, Cordy, had 2 marks for the day). Easier to argue he had his best game since Lever went out.

I think it was H T who suggested there might or should be a discussion about Omac being replaced by a Keilty or Pedo (i think or perhaps he said Smith?).

Apologies to H T if someone else but there is zero chance Omac gets dropped this season. Zero.

Indeed as i argued at the beginning of the season it will be a long, long time before he plays another games at VFL level. Dr Cool will play 200 plus games as a key defender for the dees. 

Well documented Binman and some sensible background for this opinion-type  weekly thread which I sometimes wonder if i was at the same game.

On O'Mac - I'm convinced for sure about the cool and can't wait to watch a Lever/OMac defence for the next 10 years.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

I was at the game and watched the full replay twice, and I don’t retreat from my initial description of his performance.

And for whomever it was that claimed I have an anti OMac bias, I think you’ll find that more often than not, I give him positive reviews .

I admire anyone who is prepared to watch that first half once more, let alone twice. 

[binman 39,248]

1 hour ago, joeboy said:

I was at the game and watched the full replay twice, and I don’t retreat from my initial description of his performance.

And for whomever it was that claimed I have an anti OMac bias, I think you’ll find that more often than not, I give him positive reviews .

i find it hard to rate players live as i'm too emotionally involved to be analytical. With the obvious exception of games that stand out like Gawn on the weekend.

I haven't found you to be unfairly critical of Omac and respect your assesment.

I was at the game and have watched the replay up till half through the third, plus the video of all the involvements of OMac, Schache and Cordy and think that based on the evidence the facts don't bare your assessment out on this occasion.  But i will finish the watching the replay with an open mind

[Deemania since 56 6,294]

19 hours ago, daisycutter said:

except that dogs had 5 more inside 50's

just saying

Perfect example of the faults in our game, actually, DC.

[Tarax Club 3,233]

After some contemplation!

Jones - off the boil

Hogan -  positioning advantaged team

Tom McDonald - signs are positive

Garlett - confidence is returning

Neal-Bullen - ball handling improved

Spargo - spark and go

Hannan - upgrade goal GPS

Lewis - positives outweigh negatives

Melksham - dribble wizard extraordinaire

Oliver - champion player now

Petracca - damaging 3rd quarter

Fritsch - kid is clean

Vince - some blooper handballs

Brayshaw - sublime midfield playmaker

Frost - keep it simple

Gawn - dominant big man

Harmes - blue collar ethic

Hibberd - smell the roses

Jetta - courageous pack mark

Kennedy-Harris - JKH KPI CIP

Oscar McDonald - opponent gave grief

Salem - smooth and combative

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2018 by Tarax Club
correction