Delisting, Trade and FA discussion 2018

[Turner 1,516]

i think youre all undervaluing Maynard, was in the round one team this year and had a pretty injury interrupted year. 

i think he would have played a hell of a lot more when viney was out instead of JKH and when stretch was called up too. the coaches rate him

[Demons11 7,128]

Dion Johnstone delisted 

[whatwhat say what 23,624]

Retired: Harley Balic, Bernie Vince
Delisted: Tomas Bugg, Lochie Filopovic (rookie), Dion Johnstone, Mitch King, Pat McKenna, Cam Pedersen

7 off the senior list, 1 off the rookie

[DeeZone 10,483]

We could potentially lose another three that is a lot of places to fill, starting to look a bit like Blightie's 25% turn over rate?????????? Shows a commitment to continual improvement (TQM 101), I trust our recruitment team but my head is starting to SPIN.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gator 18,009]

Good.

Keep turning the list over.

[spirit of norm smith 16,651]

Yes lots of changes to the list.

Delisted 6 players out, 2 retired and 4 potentially further trade outs. 

Need to put the “now hiring” sign up. 

[Demonland 73,834]

 

[SFebes 4,884]

His brain fade in the pre-lim wouldn't have helped but I think he was a long shot anyway, thanks and seeya.

[Adam The God 30,644]

Interesting. I wonder if they've agreed to re-rookie him or whether we've identified another player to fill this role.

[old55 23,847]

Wonder why Johnstone announcement was delayed and not rolled up with the others.  Maybe his end of season interview was delayed for some reason.  Otherwise something has changed in the meantime?

[poita 3,914]

 

3 minutes ago, A F said:

Interesting. I wonder if they've agreed to re-rookie him or whether we've identified another player to fill this role.

Hopefully the latter - Johnstone is miles off AFL. Not sure why he wasn't delisted last week with the others.

[poita 3,914]

20 hours ago, Turner said:

i think youre all undervaluing Maynard, was in the round one team this year and had a pretty injury interrupted year. 

i think he would have played a hell of a lot more when viney was out instead of JKH and when stretch was called up too. the coaches rate him

27 years old in a couple of days, played 2 career games, dropped after both. We are in a lot of trouble if he is playing regular football next year.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

So far only 1 guy potentially gone from our prelim team (AVB if he does go), and 1 who automatic best 22 (Hogan and he's still a maybe). 

I think we need at least 30 decent AFL ready players to content and we finally had that this year - the 22 in the prelim, plus Hogan, Lever, Fritsch, Stretch, Kent, Hunt, Vince, Peds and JHK. From that we're only losing AVB, Vince, Kent and Peds and quiet possibly Hogan. The others going are really just the deadwood end of depth.

So we'll need only another 3 or 4 guys to either step in or step up to complete a squad that should again challenge. I'm hoping Petty, Baker and Maynard are guys to really step up to get in the team conversation, and that we get big improvement out of Weids, Hunt, Hannan, Stretch and Garlett which will ensure we stay in contention, plus whatever we add in the trade to immediately push to be in that squad. We'll always have guys who are developing or have been in the system for a couple of years and go no further, but we've lost some depth now but we're not in a bad position at all. 

[Redleg 42,039]

7 gone off main list and a rookie, with 4 possibles we know of, Kent, Tyson, AVB and JH. That is 11 off the main list if they all go.

If May and KK come in we need 9 more players.

We will not draft 9, so that tells me we have our eyes on a couple more players at least.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

7 gone off main list and a rookie, with 4 possibles we know of, Kent, Tyson, AVB and JH. That is 11 off the main list if they all go.

If May and KK come in we need 9 more players.

We will not draft 9, so that tells me we have our eyes on a couple more players at least.

Getting Preuss as well, so that'll leave another 8 (or 6/7 if we go main list short).

IMO From a list perspective our most pressing needs will be a small lock down defender (Jets not getting any younger), key position forwards, speedy half forward/wingman and as always mids. We've got Bradtke and Guy Walker as Cat B's as well.  

[Lucifers Hero 40,556]

1 hour ago, A F said:

Interesting. I wonder if they've agreed to re-rookie him or whether we've identified another player to fill this role.

I'm guessing that Kade K nominating us and the prospect or recruiting Toby Bedford (our Next Gen Academy player) are considered upgrades on Dion.

 

Re the list numbers:

Out: 8 (including Kent, excluding Hogan and delisted rookies). 

? Ins: (excluding May):

• 3 draft picks (minimum requirement),
• Kade K,
• probably Toby Bedford,
• Preuss,
• Senior offers to upgrade Keilty and T smith

That is a possible 8 in, altho it is unlikely all will eventuate.  That leaves 3 or 4 'A' rookie spots to fill in the preseason/rookie draft (if we choose to fill all rookie spots). 

What becomes interesting now is who else we let go:  AVB, Tyson, Garlett???  More water to go under the bridge.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, poita said:

27 years old in a couple of days, played 2 career games, dropped after both. We are in a lot of trouble if he is playing regular football next year.

Maynard is the perfect depth player.  Good size, fit, can play through the midfield... but won't seem too fazed by spending his time at Casey.  He is capable of coming in and playing a role when needed, but he isn't best 22.  We still need his type on our list, though.  More than happy for him to stay on.

[Fat Tony 5,322]

I would like to see us try and talk Waite into a comeback. He's still got it and would be a good short-term option if Hogan leaves.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

18 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I would like to see us try and talk Waite into a comeback. He's still got it and would be a good short-term option if Hogan leaves.

On one condition - he never ever gets to see the best of our medical team. Tell him to bring his own tape/dencorub, and to only ever bring his medical issues to the intern/trainee. They'd get a huge amount of experience and our best medico's can concentrate on guys who'll get out on the park.

[layzie 34,375]

Any chance of Johnstone getting rookied? Would be nice to give him another chance.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

So the AFL just introduced mid-season rookie drafts and also the ability for clubs to replace seriously injured/retired players right up to the start of the season. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-04/afl-brings-in-midseason-rookie-draft-for-2019-

Do teams such as us (Lever) or West Coast (NicNat) who have guys with existing injuries get the chance to bring in a rookie, or will it only be for those guys who get injured/retire post the trade/draft periods? Would nearly give time to audition someone then discard if no good once that player comes back, like the old rookie system, except they don't get to stay on the list??

[picket fence 18,062]

OK  A lot of water to pass under the bridge but lets say.....

Jessie

Vanders 

Kent 

Tyson

GONE!

Ok I A grader and several very important bit players not with the club in 2019

My View is .. well we would have to be significantly better of player and draft wise to equate to the experience, and part of a team structure Goody has developed to have lost these guys

I hope , trust, pray we don't get bent over play, hard ball with trades and announce ourselves a hard ass club which wont settle for anything less than putting MFC RIGHT IN THE FRAME FOR 2019 FLAG!

GO DEES!

Edited October 4, 2018 by picket fence

[monoccular 17,697]

On 9/25/2018 at 3:18 PM, DubDee said:

People suggesting as many as 10 players getting cut or traded need to consider who we are getting in.  We have no good draft picks at the moment, not a great position to trade and the best state league players will be given to the bottom teams.

So players like JKH will certainly be on the list next year. I imagine T Smith will be as well. If Weed and Hogan both go down for example we need some cover.

So 4 kids in the draft, 2 casey upgrades. 2 players traded in (Pruess and Gaff) - yes i still think we are a chance at gaff

that is 6 so far.

2 casey upgrades - please explain.

Who?   How?  Can't 'upgrade' from the VFL, need to go via the open draft as I understand.

[buck_nekkid 6,082]

The way I see it, all of the delistings were unlikely to push for best 25.  Retirements cost us a couple of handy players, who were at the back end of their careers and probably also not best 25.  Turning over any number of these players (not likely to add value to potentially adding value) is definitely an upgrade.  We then look at ‘departures’ - Hogan, Kent, VDB.  I imagine they were not what we wanted to happen, and we are looking at 1 A grader, 1 valuable  player and one good player (when fit) potentially exiting.  3 of our top 25 (12%) turnover of the core of the list.

Not sure we will get May.  KK and the Prius will be positive additions (compared to what they replace).  If JH goes, we would need good value return to end up positive on this trade.  Expect us to be into a few smokeys, and to end up with a seriously upgaded overall list.

[Engorged Onion 10,224]

3 hours ago, layzie said:

Any chance of Johnstone getting rookied? Would be nice to give him another chance.

because you're a nice sympathetic bloke?