Roos: "They’re so easy to score against"

[titan_uranus 25,016]

He's not wrong.

But personally, I reckon he can GAGF.

18 months doesn't completely erase the influence he had on the side so if we're struggling defensively this soon after he was coach, he can take some of the blame.

[rjay 24,919]

You can't have Jetta, Lewis & Vince in the backs together.

Way too slow...

When they were talking about Lewis playing back over the break alarm bells went off for me.

Don't know how we fix it against the Tiges but Goody better come up with something from left field to tackle their small forwards.

Some players are going to need new positions and others spend some time at Casey.

Anyone have creative idea's about who to move back?

Melk is one I would throw up...really needs to turn his career around.

[titan_uranus 25,016]

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

You can't have Jetta, Lewis & Vince in the backs together.

Way too slow...

When they were talking about Lewis playing back over the break alarm bells went off for me.

Don't know how we fix it against the Tiges but Goody better come up with something from left field to tackle their small forwards.

Some players are going to need new positions and others spend some time at Casey.

Anyone have creative idea's about who to move back?

Melk is one I would throw up...really needs to turn his career around.

We've spent a long time trying to make Melksham a defensive half forward.

I'm not sure trying to re-convert him into a half-back is going to work.

Having said that, I think the lack of pace in our back half is a big problem, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

Hunt needs to come in. Maybe Stretch? We need to drop one of Lewis/Vince.

[Adam The God 30,243]

Harmes may not be the best answer to our lack of pace off half back, but I'd make him accountable to someone FCS. He ran around so ridiculously loose again today. Probably our biggest downhill skier. 

I'd play him back there and see if he can generate some rebound. His decision making does worry me back there though...

Completely agree on the dropping of Lewis/Vince. They're not actually providing consistent leadership, so what's the point in having them both in the team? They're slow and they're both done.

It's unfortunately, another moment where our decade-long poor drafting is coming back to haunt us. We don't have leaders that are experienced enough that can play anymore and it's resulting in seeing blokes who are finished, still getting games, simply because they've got experience.

[whatwhat say what 22,749]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Roosy left too early, i don’t blame him. But his job wasn’t even close to being finished. 

The clubs mindaet is still soft as butter. 

We have a better list, but without a hardened mindset it won’t get the job done

Roos came in with one foot already out the door

He had the cushiest job going and was able to skate through without much criticism; simply get Melbourne back to being routinely ‘competitive’

Goodwin doesn’t appear to have the capacity to organize the team as Roos did however - out defensive mechanisms are all over the shop and the injection of two effectively three new players to our back seven formation - Lever, Wagner and Frost replacing T Mac and Hunt - effectively making it a defensive eight has been a massive issue

At several stages today we had seven forwards and seven defenders; we played without wings

The net effect was Hawks wings we’re able to immediately impact the contest coming off the side position much more quickly that our f7 (Harmes) as they had a better read on the play

We were a complete structural shambles today

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

It is not our biggest problem. Which bit don't you get? They enter our fwd 50 15 times and have 12 shots at goal? Are you serious? The league average is something like 43% and we are at 80% The Geelong game was the same. 24 entres for 20 shots at goal in the first half and we conceded 80 points.

I don't care if Jesus H Christ is at full forward for Melbourne, you aren't going to win many games with that defensive effort. Our defensive structure (if we have one) is not working.

Against Geelong we had 20plus more inside 50s.

Our lack of structure forward and bombing the ball cost us that game.

We were all over Hawks early and again smashing the inside 50 count but put zero scoreboard pressure on. 

Agree the ease of goals scored once they break through the press is diabolical 

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

8 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Roos came in with one foot already out the door

He had the cushiest job going and was able to skate through without much criticism; simply get Melbourne back to being routinely ‘competitive’

Goodwin doesn’t appear to have the capacity to organize the team as Roos did however - out defensive mechanisms are all over the shop and the injection of two effectively three new players to our back seven formation - Lever, Wagner and Frost replacing T Mac and Hunt - effectively making it a defensive eight has been a massive issue

At several stages today we had seven forwards and seven defenders; we played without wings

The net effect was Hawks wings we’re able to immediately impact the contest coming off the side position much more quickly that our f7 (Harmes) as they had a better read on the play

We were a complete structural shambles today

You back up what i say. Roosy left to early and gave the shop to an enthusiastic “new boy” who today coached a shambles. 

No wings on the MCG

What a complete fool...

[WERRIDEE 5,478]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

It is not our biggest problem. Which bit don't you get? They enter our fwd 50 15 times and have 12 shots at goal? Are you serious? The league average is something like 43% and we are at 80% The Geelong game was the same. 24 entres for 20 shots at goal in the first half and we conceded 80 points.

I don't care if Jesus H Christ is at full forward for Melbourne, you aren't going to win many games with that defensive effort. Our defensive structure (if we have one) is not working.

Chaplin should get the sack. Richmond hack, once he left Richmond won the flag it says a lot.

[rjay 24,919]

56 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

We've spent a long time trying to make Melksham a defensive half forward.

I'm not sure trying to re-convert him into a half-back is going to work.

Having said that, I think the lack of pace in our back half is a big problem, so I'm not sure what the answer is.

Hunt needs to come in. Maybe Stretch? We need to drop one of Lewis/Vince.

 

38 minutes ago, A F said:

Harmes may not be the best answer to our lack of pace off half back, but I'd make him accountable to someone FCS. He ran around so ridiculously loose again today. Probably our biggest downhill skier. 

I'd play him back there and see if he can generate some rebound. His decision making does worry me back there though...

Completely agree on the dropping of Lewis/Vince. They're not actually providing consistent leadership, so what's the point in having them both in the team? They're slow and they're both done.

It's unfortunately, another moment where our decade-long poor drafting is coming back to haunt us. We don't have leaders that are experienced enough that can play anymore and it's resulting in seeing blokes who are finished, still getting games, simply because they've got experience.

I've also thought of Harmes & Stretch. Smith has been struggling since injury, not sure who else we have at Casey.

Hunt has to come back in, that's a certainty.

Also it's not just Lewis/Vince, Jetta is the worst of the 3 at the moment.

[Adam The God 30,243]

21 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

I've also thought of Harmes & Stretch. Smith has been struggling since injury, not sure who else we have at Casey.

Hunt has to come back in, that's a certainty.

Also it's not just Lewis/Vince, Jetta is the worst of the 3 at the moment.

He doesn't lose his feet constantly like those two do though.

[Skuit 10,031]

3 hours ago, rjay said:

You can't have Jetta, Lewis & Vince in the backs together.

Way too slow...

When they were talking about Lewis playing back over the break alarm bells went off for me.

Don't know how we fix it against the Tiges but Goody better come up with something from left field to tackle their small forwards.

Some players are going to need new positions and others spend some time at Casey.

Anyone have creative idea's about who to move back?

Melk is one I would throw up...really needs to turn his career around.

Spargo. The fact that I'm partially serious about debuting a 170cm forward in the back-line against the premiers on our biggest stage of the year is either a huge concern for my mental health or the state of our defensive unit - although the subjects are somewhat interrelated.

We need speed and tenacity down back, and he strikes me as kid you could give a specific job to against one of their smalls and he would go about it with a determined, singular focus. If not, at least he might bop Riewoldt upside the head.

Please note: I've only had one beer, but I've also never actually seen a second of wee Charlie play in my life.

 

[Gorgoroth 12,950]

Our defense is poor as we turn the ball over when we over handball meaning they attack at pace. 

[Brownie 5,980]

6 hours ago, A F said:

He doesn't lose his feet constantly like those two do though.

I reckon Jetta is playing sore too. He's been smashed every game this year.

Had his ankle rolled under him yesterday. Didn't expect him to come back out.

[jnrmac 20,060]

8 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

Against Geelong we had 20plus more inside 50s.

Our lack of structure forward and bombing the ball cost us that game.

We were all over Hawks early and again smashing the inside 50 count but put zero scoreboard pressure on. 

Agree the ease of goals scored once they break through the press is diabolical 

Hilarious. You don't understand football and couldn't be more wrong. Why did Roos spend the first 12 months trying to teach the team about defence?

Which teams win Grand Finals? Richmond played 3 finals and let through 8, 5 and 9 goals in September.

Yet you think we can let teams score 80 points in a half of football with 20 scoring shots from 24  i50 entries like we did against Geelong? 

Are you Sinmon Goodwin because he seems to think that too.

  

[drdrake 3,163]

It is an easy fix, our defenders are playing to high up the ground, the ball is coming out of our forward line that quick that as soon as it does we are done, a 50m kick clears our defenders we are scored against.  Jetta played the role last year as that last line of defense 20m behind the last forward.  This year he is running in quicksand.

We need to defend deeper, all teams are doing it against us basically having 4 defenders across Half Back we push ours forward of center when the ball is forward.  Mids need to work harder to defend between to 50m arcs and our forwards can't allow the ball to get out of our forward 50m so easy.

We play our best football one on one we are garbage when we are out numbered up forward, it worked a couple of times last year Adelaide game was the example but we are missing Tom McDonald who gives a good contest.

[Demonsone 2,037]

So many hear a passing judgement on Goodwin in his second year as a coach & I can understand the frustration as a member & supporter for over 45yrs. The same was said of Hardwick & continued to be question each year on his ability to coach & couldn't win a final & we all know how that worked out!

As frustrated as we all are & starved of success we need to allow Goody to iron out these gaps & let him be judged after he has served his term

Im sure there was plenty of Tiger supporters who wanted his blood at times....

Season	Team	Games	W	L	D	W %	LP	LT
Career totals		182	92	88	2	51.1%
2010	Richmond	22	6	16	0	27.3%	15	16
2011	Richmond	22	8	13	1	38.6%	12	17
2012	Richmond	22	10	11	1	47.7%	12	18
2013	Richmond	23	15	8	0	65.2%	5	18
2014	Richmond	23	12	11	0	52.2%	8	18
2015	Richmond	23	15	8	0	65.2%	5	18
2016	Richmond	22	8	14	0	36.4%	13	18
2017	Richmond	25	18	7	0	72.0%	3	18

 

[beelzebub 23,368]

Two very different set of circumstances and abilities. But please continue the PowerPoint presentation. There's a Mr Schwab on the phone....

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Hilarious. You don't understand football and couldn't be more wrong. Why did Roos spend the first 12 months trying to teach the team about defence?

Which teams win Grand Finals? Richmond played 3 finals and let through 8, 5 and 9 goals in September.

Yet you think we can let teams score 80 points in a half of football with 20 scoring shots from 24  i50 entries like we did against Geelong? 

Are you Sinmon Goodwin because he seems to think that too.

  

Calm down mate fair dinkum. Where did I say it's OK to allow 80 points a half. I agreed it's diabolical..... 

[demoniac 1,333]

16 hours ago, SPC said:

The Tigers do it, it works for them

 

Strangely the Tigers don't play slow inside mids on the wing or half back. 

[demoniac 1,333]

10 hours ago, Skuit said:

Spargo. The fact that I'm partially serious about debuting a 170cm forward in the back-line against the premiers on our biggest stage of the year is either a huge concern for my mental health or the state of our defensive unit - although the subjects are somewhat interrelated.

We need speed and tenacity down back, and he strikes me as kid you could give a specific job to against one of their smalls and he would go about it with a determined, singular focus. If not, at least he might bop Riewoldt upside the head.

Please note: I've only had one beer, but I've also never actually seen a second of wee Charlie play in my life.

 

We need speed on every line.

Defence - If you are playing Oscar Mac and Frost as key talls and you have Hibberd and Lever as tall flankers then there is no role in the team for another tall flanker in Wagner. There is also no roles available for plodding ex midfielders ie Lewis and Vince. The role available is for a nimble and/or quick player.

Mids - You can't play plodding ex midfielders like Lewis and Vince on the wing. You can't even play Jones on the wing. Reality in 2018 tells us you have play ball carrying runners on the wing.

Forwards - Hogan is much better when on the move. Playing deep he is a non threat if the ball comes in high and he is flatfooted. Belongs at CHF.  Bring Pederson in to improve our structure by giving us a competitive target deep and relieve Gawn in the ruck.   

If Goodwin does not realise that we've got to pick a quicker team - epsecially for Richmond -  then my doubts will be chrystalising.

 

[Demonland 72,178]

A statistic revealed on Fox Footy’s AFL 360 showed that the Demons have now conceded four or more successive goals within a match 21 times in their last 26 games.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Go man on Man when Maxy is resting or when we start losing the clearances in succession out of the middle.  

Sacrifice a medium small forward and make sure there's an extra at the around the ground stoppages at all times with at least two players on the outside (not as many going in like we have seen and our opponents outnumbering us on the outside waiting for the receive and running off).

Any time there's two goals scored go back to man on man until we wrestle it back our way and play possession football.

ACCOUNTABLE footy plus a smart man on man possession game once they get successive scores.  Extra number at stoppage.  Drop the 2 off the back of square and man up when Maxy isn't rucking or they are scoring!  It doesn't work under the above.

 

[junk 342]

We have to remember that Lever played in a Grand Final which is more than you can say about most of our players. Our defence will get much stronger one we get Viney (in particular) and T,Mac back in. The existing draft system doesn't help teams like Melbourne,Brisb,G.C and Carlton. Selection staff can cause a club to go backwards.It may take two or three list turnovers (rebuild). The fans often get the "short end of the stick",in other words we constantly getting screwed over. What I would like to see is that the no.1 draft goes to the worst side of the past three years. If the Dees finish 16th,16th and 15th in the last three years they will get first pick infront of a team that finishes 1st,1st and 18th. No team can trade out their first rounder.(for the Kiddy draft)  Players who wish to leave a club gets to go into a pool and can be picked up by the lower clubs,this will stop the top club from becoming stronger. example Dangerfield couldn't go to Geelong.His first port of call would be Brissy then G.C then the Blues or alternative remain a Crow. We need a different game plan because it is no point Gawn getting lots of tap outs if our mids don't do anything with the ball. If we go back in time when Gawn was out against Adel.,Jacobs got 71 tap outs yet we won the the game.

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

22 hours ago, ENYAW said:

We have to remember that Lever played in a Grand Final which is more than you can say about most of our players. Our defence will get much stronger one we get Viney (in particular) and T,Mac back in. The existing draft system doesn't help teams like Melbourne,Brisb,G.C and Carlton. Selection staff can cause a club to go backwards.It may take two or three list turnovers (rebuild). The fans often get the "short end of the stick",in other words we constantly getting screwed over. What I would like to see is that the no.1 draft goes to the worst side of the past three years. If the Dees finish 16th,16th and 15th in the last three years they will get first pick infront of a team that finishes 1st,1st and 18th. No team can trade out their first rounder.(for the Kiddy draft)  Players who wish to leave a club gets to go into a pool and can be picked up by the lower clubs,this will stop the top club from becoming stronger. example Dangerfield couldn't go to Geelong.His first port of call would be Brissy then G.C then the Blues or alternative remain a Crow. We need a different game plan because it is no point Gawn getting lots of tap outs if our mids don't do anything with the ball. If we go back in time when Gawn was out against Adel.,Jacobs got 71 tap outs yet we won the the game.

 

You are calling for restraint of trade

Won’t happen. 

Why can’t our mids read Max’s ruck work. 

They don’t work hard enough or long enough