Post Match Discussion - Round 1

[—coach— 3,496]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Maybe not BUT his three goals yesterday would have been handy today!

IF he was still with us , which he still should be!

Again I hear you, but I don’t think Watts would have kicked three today if he was playing for us with the shizen delivery into the forward 50. Geelong show us every time we play them how to kick it to the advantage of their forwards as have many other sides over the years. It’s indemic with he MFC that we continually kick it poorly to our forwards, our women do it, our men do it, and I’m guessing we do it at Casey too (someone who watches them weekly can correct me if I’m wrong as I only see them occasionally).

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Just now, zeldacat said:

It amazes me how me, the novice supporter in me can see Geelong's game plan to always pass, kick, tap (throw!) out to space to allow a runner come through to carry the ball. We continue with this handballing in tight - which Geelong never do - and we get caught. I thought last year we would've learnt to keep a man down (not go up for the marking contest) and always have someone at the front of the pack for the crumb - but no, we still don't do this and that is a real frustration that teams continue to have a player at the ball drop in front to carry the ball.  And our crap kicking skills to position too - too many high floaters. Disappointing that we haven't fixed this in the off season.  Will be disappointed for another hour or so, and then move on. Ugh!

Great point about carrying the ball.

When we get the ball we don’t look to break away and clear the pack, we just panic handball like you say. We don’t give ourselves the chance to get clear, it’s just pass the buck to your teammate. Lewis does this a lot.

Opposition teams know if they get tackled straight away it won’t be holding the ball (no prior opportunity), but when they are tackled they often get the ball out anyway.

[billyblanks29 184]

We had 23 more inside 50s than them. We just need to score. We need 2 X permanent talls down there like Hogan and T Mac or The Weed. One tall simply isn't enough threat.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Maybe not BUT his three goals yesterday would have been handy today!

IF he was still with us , which he still should be!

JW wouldn't have got a touch today and you know it.

Port smashed freo in all facets of the game

Troll on

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

I don't reckon we have what it takes to win in Brisbane next week. Goodwin will stick with the team he picked this week and the Lions will tear us apart. The type.of game where some average forward like Hipwood has his breakout game. They looked improved and we looked, well, the same as last year. No progression at all.

If I was dropping players based on effort today, Garlett would be the first out. Maynard not because of effort but because he simply isn't a footballer.

[Males 578]

Our defensive pressure was shocking for most of today. At one stage the Cats had 20 scoring shots from 24 inside 50 entries, about 83%. The AFL average is 44-48%. Just shows how easily we let them spread and move the ball, then deliver basically uncontested ball into their F50.

I thought Garlett, Melksham, Hannan, Jetta and Maynard were really off. Starting to think Garlett is done.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, billyblanks29 said:

We had 23 more inside 50s than them. We just need to score. We need 2 X permanent talls down there like Hogan and T Mac or The Weed. One tall simply isn't enough threat.

We were super efficient in terms of disposals to inside 50 ratio.  

As you say, we need to score and use it better forward of the centre.  Work that out and the rest is history.

[dees-picable 211]

Very depressing sporting day, but NOT because  of the fine effort put up by the Demons today.

Was there.

Geelong was more mature and composed and played with us for fair chunks of the game. Moved the ball very cleanly the full length and made us look amateurish often.  Smashed in the air and desperately need a bigger body out there IMO e.g. Frost?

However G & D kept us coming and could have won it if Maxy wasn't cooked.

Fine first game by Fritsch - kid can play.  Petracca is exciting. Lever started badly but did improve. Jetta will want to forget his game. 

Lost the structures completely in  T2, and some poor decisions by our leaders let us down - hmmmmmm....

Anyway, positive signs overall. Ablett is a freak. Wish we had him. 

 

 

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I don't reckon we have what it takes to win in Brisbane next week. Goodwin will stick with the team he picked this week and the Lions will tear us apart.The type.of game where some average forward like Hipwood has his breakout game. They looked improved and we looked, well, the same as last year. No progression at all.

If I was dropping players based on effort today, Garlett would be the first out. Maynard not because of effort but because he simply isn't a footballer.

Last year's wooden spooner will 'tear us apart'?

Thanks for the laugh.

[—coach— 3,496]

16 minutes ago, Purple77 said:

Yeah look, yeah.

Gawn's miss is not what I'm taking out of it.

Last year, the reason why we didn't make finals was because of our 1 quarter fade-outs.

What I'm taking out of today, is that we haven't fixed it, and that's what makes this day overwhelming negative.

"But we showed fight" I hear you say.

Last year, we always showed fight. It's an admirable trait. Did we make finals last year? No, so it's not enough. Today, regardless of whether we won or lost (i.e. of whether Gawn kicked straight at the end or not), the key thing to take out of today's performance was that 2nd quarter fade-out, and it's symbolism of a lack of growth in the key area that would take us to finals; consistency.

And it was infuriating.

Last year we were right up near the top of the ladder in quarters won across the year, but many games were lost where we won 3 quarters of the game hence we finished 9th. Today was exactly he same thing, won 3 quarters, lost 1, lost the game. Totally agree with you purple, I’m getting tired of the same old  s h l t

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

7 minutes ago, billyblanks29 said:

We had 23 more inside 50s than them. We just need to score. We need 2 X permanent talls down there like Hogan and T Mac or The Weed. One tall simply isn't enough threat.

Agree

Poor ball use going forward at times.

Such a frustrating finish to keep them to 2 goals to the second half and not win. We kicked 1.7 in the final term/// sigh

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Posters question Goodwin, who just coached a side with a game-plan that yielded 23 more inside 50s than the opposition, which nearly always results in a win. 

Never change, Demonland. 

Skills skills, poise and forward 50 pressure ProDee.  You can train and drill as much as you like, win as many contested as you want etc, but nothing beats a real match day test and we failed badly to lower our eyes and deliver effectively inside and outside 50 on enough occasions to beat our opponent.  Nor pressure with intent for a long enough period to keep the ball in our half long enough to get in front and stay there, with the exception of the first half of the 3rd quarter.

I would love a $10 note for the number of times we bombed the ball to HF and the Cats rebounded it straight back out just as quickly under little or no pressure.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

57 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It really doesn't.

He played so much better thab Lever unfortunately.

[loges 6,767]

Task for us now is to win the next 2 must/should win games drop one of those and I'll really be [censored].

[leave it to deever 17,511]

6 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Last year we were right up near the top of the ladder in quarters won across the year, but many games were lost where we won 3 quarters of the game hence we finished 9th. Today was exactly he same thing, won 3 quarters, lost 1, lost the game. Totally agree with you purple, I’m getting tired of the same old  s h l t

So true.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,703]

Not sold on Maynard. To me just a squad midfielder. No Brayshaw or Tyson is incredible to me lost at selection this game. Gift wrapped 4pts to those red necks.

[chook fowler 19,459]

Oliver’s miss was as critical as Maxs’

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Last year's wooden spooner will 'tear us apart'?

Thanks for the laugh.

Away from melbourne. Day less recovwry.  Heartbreaking loss. Mentally fragile group. Blokes that can't hit a target. Lost to a Cats side with 3 down and a bunch of debutantes

[pineapple dee 2,892]

2 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Well... at least the cricket’s on.

Why would you watch that dross ???? You should thank your lucky stars the cricket is over for another year in Australia. Let's hope the Aussie cricketers get invited to play a game in Timbuktu and are never sighted again.

 

[What 18,810]

Good coaching by Geelong to isolate Jake Lever 1 on 1.  It was shades of Jared Rivers out there today.  Outmuscled, outpositioned.  

He would want to get a hell of a lot better as an actual defender to ever live up to his contract.

 

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

Oliver’s miss was as critical as Maxs’

Was the mark paid or did he just automatically choose to play on

[Roost It 1,434]

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[D4Life 2,475]

1 minute ago, Males said:

Our defensive pressure was shocking for most of today. At one stage the Cats had 20 scoring shots from 24 inside 50 entries, about 83%. The AFL average is 44-48%. Just shows how easily we let them spread and move the ball, then deliver basically uncontested ball into their F50.

I thought Garlett, Melksham, Hannan, Jetta and Maynard were really off. Starting to think Garlett is done.

 

Tackling was poor and kicking was very poor at times into the forward line. We also stopped running and manning up particularly the 2nd quarter. Conversely Geelongs kicking was very good and made the difference!

There are a few players who really disappointed today:

- Wagner incredibly poor decision maker & disposal, occasionally good aggression but should be playing VFL. Replace Wagner withBrayshaw!

- Maynard skills are only VFL standard, got the ball on his own in the last with time, terrible kick goes to Geelong and then they break free and kick a goal. Tyson has the odd butcher ball but is well ahead of Maynard. Replace Maynard with Tyson.

- Hannan occasionally does freakish things, but just doesn’t get the ball enough and as previously mentioned playing him in forward line with Fritsch and Garlett not enough pressure. Replace Hannan with Bugg!

Garlett, Melksham, Jetta not on today, but have done credits in the bank.

The positive was Oliver, Trac, Jones were very good but not enough support. OMac held Hawkins to one. We only lost by 3 points and had a very average day!

[Roost It 1,434]

Bugger

 

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Away from melbourne. Day less recovwry.  Heartbreaking loss. Mentally fragile group. Blokes that can't hit a target. Lost to a Cats side with 3 down and a bunch of debutantes

And?  That means little to me.

The Lions might have improved, but they could hardly be any worse than they have been.  We were poor in patches today yet we were in the contest.  We have to tweak a few things, but to suggest the Lions will 'tear us a new one' is ridiculous.  Some people need to take a few deep breaths before they post after a loss.