Another Jack Watts Thread or lack thereof ....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-16/total-recall-we-repick-the-2008-draft

 

so 3 out of the top 10 are still ranked in the revised top 10.

Not sure Nic Nat deserves a number 2 ranking. I would have him around 8 based on the revised list and maybe rank him one or two higher based on that horrible word.... "potential." His absence from the 2017 season makes it more difficult to rank him. One also has to wonder whether he will come back with that incredible vertical leap after such a long injury.

Edited November 16, 20177 yr by Diamond_Jim

Must we go back to that nightmare??

39 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

so 3 out of the top 10 are still ranked in the revised top 10.

Not sure Nic Nat deserves a number 2 ranking. I would have him around 8 based on the revised list and maybe rank him one or two higher based on that horrible word.... "potential." His absence from the 2017 season makes it more difficult to rank him. One also has to wonder whether he will come back with that incredible vertical leap after such a long injury.

he'll bounce back. they are a 2 win better side with him even with the current crop of downhill skiers they have running around.

What an ugly bunch of blokes. 

That is a rotten draft year. Hurley as the number one retrospective pick doesn’t scream superdraft. Pretty much matches, was it 2003, when we had two picks in the top 5 (Sylvia and McLean). Top picks in a poor draft.

Sloane and Hannebery should be 1 and 2.

11 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Sloane and Hannebery should be 1 and 2.

I would also have Beams at 2 or 3

I think Phil Davies and Jack Zeibell should stay at 9 and 10 

I feel a little bit sick reading that.

No chance Hurley is the Number 1 pick, though.  I'd have Sloane, Hannebery and even Beams ahead of him.

1 hour ago, fndee said:

That is a rotten draft year. Hurley as the number one retrospective pick doesn’t scream superdraft. Pretty much matches, was it 2003, when we had two picks in the top 5 (Sylvia and McLean). Top picks in a poor draft.

You cynic - Col just needs one good preseason to be a superstar.

Ridiculous exercise.  Just some lazy journos wasting time.

10 hours ago, Demonland said:

Another Jack Watts Thread or lack thereof ....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-16/total-recall-we-repick-the-2008-draft

 

Is there an argument to say with the value of hindsight 8 out of the 10 clubs got it wrong?

Plus interesting to note 

a/ the club with the highest FD spending Eagles got it right

b/ the best draft and development team on the list (Essendon) nailed Hurley at 5

6 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I feel a little bit sick reading that.

No chance Hurley is the Number 1 pick, though.  I'd have Sloane, Hannebery and even Beams ahead of him.

Agree . It is hard not to feel sick when you have the first pick and you choose the only one of the first 4 selections that on results today  is deemed not worthy of a top ten pick. But that is a consistent theme of our drafting pre Taylor. 

Hurley always had that nastiness which IMO gets that big tick

It's either in you or it's not.

He was always going to be a decent player 

Injuries have cruelled Dane Beams- when he’s fit, he’s a class above.  Unfortunately for him (and Brisbane) that seems to be a rare occurrence.  

There’s some very talented, but very, very inconsistent players in the redrawn top 10.

It's worth remembering that this is in no way a definitive list.  Even the panelists can't agree with each other.  I didn't watch this one but on previous editions they've freely pointed out each others' biases. 

For me, no way is Nic Nat still number two.  He's got freak factor, but I've never rated him that highly.  He's more of a wrecking ball than a footballer. 

I absolutely agree with the above comment that this shows how poor a draft it was though.  Aside from a couple of A-grade mids and Hurley, we see a bunch of solid B to B+ players making up the bulk of their top ten.  There's certainly nothing like a Dangerfield, Hodge or Martin on the list.  Possibly a Goddard and some Headlands. 

We should do a 'total recall' of best footy journos. Would struggle to get enough for a top 10

10 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Is there an argument to say with the value of hindsight 8 out of the 10 clubs got it wrong?

Plus interesting to note 

a/ the club with the highest FD spending Eagles got it right

b/ the best draft and development team on the list (Essendon) nailed Hurley at 5

Your continual defence of Prendergast and Cameron is admirable, but without doubt, the two biggest "busts" of the original top 10 would be Watts and Vickery.

Even Yarran, prior to battling personal demons, played a lot of top footy at Carlton.

28 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Your continual defence of Prendergast and Cameron is admirable, but without doubt, the two biggest "busts" of the original top 10 would be Watts and Vickery.

Even Yarran, prior to battling personal demons, played a lot of top footy at Carlton.

Now- your and other Demonland poster attacks on BP & CC are quite funny.

As you are all experienced AFL draft and recruiting( including opposition analysts) experts, with experience at multiple AFL clubs - I defer to your greater knowledge. 

Have you ever met CC or BP? Have you ever talked football with them? Its well worth trying - your opinions may change. 

Edited November 16, 20177 yr by DaveyDee

6 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Now- your and other Demonland poster attacks on BP & CC are quite funny.

As you are all experienced AFL draft and recruiting( including opposition analysts) experts, with experience at multiple AFL clubs - I defer to your greater knowledge. 

Have you ever met CC or BP? Have you ever talked football with them? Its well worth trying - your opinions may change. 

I'll go even further, of all the top 10 draft picks in 2008, three players never received a rising star nomination - Watts, Vickery and Hartlett.  Hartlett was awarded the best first year player at Port.

Watts is also one of two former number 1 draft picks to never receive a Rising Star nomination (the other being Paddy McCartin).

Two of that Top 10 are current club captains, 1 has been a vice captain, 1 an All Australian, 3 are or have been in their club's Leadership Group, with 1 of those winning the Rising Star of the whole competition.  So, your comment about 8 of the 10 clubs, in hindsight, got it wrong - I think it's more of a case that 2 clubs, in hindsight, got it wrong.

True, the class of 2008 isn't riddled with superstars, but there have been many, many more than serviceable players graduate.  Of the entire group that we selected, 5 in total, only 1 remains on our list (Nev Jetta, taken at 51).

It's not about us being "experts".  None of the critics are claiming they are.  What we are critical of is that the guys that are the so-called experts, the ones getting paid top dollar to do this specific job for our footy club, they both failed time and time again.  Use whatever excuse you like, but they still failed at hat they were employed to do.

Guessing who will emerge at the top of performance comparisons and status is naive in a team sport. General performance is the measure that is most important. It is full of variables so extensive these cannot be fully listed. Team fit and function on most occasions is the closest reality measure we can make. 

2 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Now- your and other Demonland poster attacks on BP & CC are quite funny.

As you are all experienced AFL draft and recruiting( including opposition analysts) experts, with experience at multiple AFL clubs - I defer to your greater knowledge. 

Have you ever met CC or BP? Have you ever talked football with them? Its well worth trying - your opinions may change. 

I doubt there isn't much they can say to change history, and they oversaw some of our worst.  There is no escaping that.

Nic nat would have been a big fail at the dees, he is lucky that west coast have a always play 2 ruckman in his early days he had cox, who I rate the best ruckman of the last 20 years, who carried nic, he average less then 2 marks a game and less  Disposals then Jack Watts,

nic nat was always clear that he was always set up staying / returning to western australia

my top 10 08 re-drafted would be:

1. haneberry
2. sloane
3. beams
4. sidebottom
5. davis
6. shuey
7. hurley
8. hill
9. walters
10. picken

Edited November 19, 20177 yr by DemonAndrew