Lachie Whitfield, Jake Lever, and other trade rumours

[binman 39,070]

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Whispering Jack is usually in charge of that. I think he's still trying to come up with a clever name for it. We're in the process of trying to recall our premature creation of a finals board that was created for our members. Too soon?

Yes

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,549]

23 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Whitfield is a lock for the hawks. He's a melbourne boy and will ask for a trade to the hawks in the next month.

It will be interesting to see how they get that done?

They've got no picks to play with. Would have to trade established players.

I would hope we are staying in the frame for Whitfield if he wants a trade back to Vic.

[McQueen 17,864]

1 minute ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

It will be interesting to see how they get that done?

They've got no picks to play with. Would have to trade established players.

I would hope we are staying in the frame for Whitfield if he wants a trade back to Vic.

Wouldn't be a bad couple of years for the Hawks, would it.

Mitchell

Omeara

Whitfield

fmd

[jnrmac 19,310]

12 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

Exactly

Motlop is a talent and ultimately if all it costs is salary then I think he is worth bringing in, absolutely 

Don't be seduced by talent. Sylvia had talent. Players like Motlop are a cancer in a club. They will let you down when it matters because they don't put in 100% of the time. We have enough problems with players opting when to put effort in.

Effort is 100% not negotiable. That's why players like Kent are doomed. Motlop is the last thing we need.

[What 18,810]

35 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Whitfield is a lock for the hawks. He's a melbourne boy and will ask for a trade to the hawks in the next month.

Would be a damn shame if we failed to land Kelly or Whitfield

A real damn shame.

[Maldonboy38 6,028]

1) Lever

2) An outside mid.  But the outside mid must be consistent and with high percentage efficiency disposal skills. We swept in and picked up a forward in Hannan who has very good goal sense and came at a bargain price - I wonder if there is a youngish outside mid in VFL or a premier rural league who we can swoop on? There don't seem to be many floating around in the AFL who can't get a game at their own club.

      a)Motlop - I oooh and aaah at him on the TV screen - about 3 times a year! No thanks.  

      b) Whitfield - definite consideration

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

45 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Whispering Jack is usually in charge of that. I think he's still trying to come up with a clever name for it. We're in the process of trying to recall our premature creation of a finals board that was created for our members. Too soon?

The Premature eJACKulation board?

[faultydet 7,593]

50 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Whitfield is a lock for the hawks. He's a melbourne boy and will ask for a trade to the hawks in the next month.

What on Earth do the Hawks have to offer?

They must be thinking 1 or 2 of their most experienced players will be looking for a pension cheque, and a final flag with the Giants.

[censored] the Hawks.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Motlop will go somewhere like Port Adelaide.  He won't be on our radar.

[beelzebub 22,282]

We'll get Lever, most likely. We'll lose a few off the list. 

We'd be very very very lucky to anyone else other the a FA or Rfa.

We have little currency to trade. Just saying.

All need to lower the eyes

[Ouch! 2,043]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

We'll get Lever, most likely.

I'm still nervous, only cos I think Collingwood needs a player like Lever even more than us, and they are very keen also.  Hopeful that we get him, but it's not over the line methinks

[dl4e 5,643]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Don't be seduced by talent. Sylvia had talent. Players like Motlop are a cancer in a club. They will let you down when it matters because they don't put in 100% of the time. We have enough problems with players opting when to put effort in.

Effort is 100% not negotiable. That's why players like Kent are doomed. Motlop is the last thing we need.

At last someone is making sense. I am glad I read this post before replying to earlier ones about Motlop. Motlop is the laziest softkok in afl football. Itwould be a disgrace to see him in a Melbourne jumper.

For what it is worth Lever will be the only good player we could recruit. If not then try thr draft.

[Demons11 6,404]

3 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

My ideal (realistic) trade scenario would be as follows:

Trade One:

We send pick 10 & Jack Watts to Carlton for Pick 4 & a 2nd round pick.

Trade Two:

We trade Pick 4 and a 2nd round pick to GWS for Josh Kelly.

Trade Three:

We trade 2018 first round pick to Adelaide for Lever

Trade Four:

We send a 3rd round pick to Collingwood for Mason Cox

2018 team:

B: Jetta        OMac        Lever

HB: Hunt        TMac         Hibberd

C: Tyson      Oliver         Jones

HF: Trac         Hogan       Hannan

F: Cox          Weid          Garlett

R: Gawn      Kelly        Viney

Int: Lewis    Melk     Brayshaw    Salem

Depth: Pedo, Harmes, Bugg, Frost, JKH, ANB, Smith

That team is playing finals.

 

 

I like it all until you mentioned Mason Cox

[wheaters31 592]

Bulldogs and Hawks interested in Frost.

[Jibroni 4,228]

2 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

It will be interesting to see how they get that done?

They've got no picks to play with. Would have to trade established players.

I would hope we are staying in the frame for Whitfield if he wants a trade back to Vic.

They would have to trade one of Bruest, I Smith and 2nd rounder. Cant see the Hawks getting that done without a third party.

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,549]

24 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I like it all until you mentioned Mason Cox

I rate him as a second ruck/tall forward. He's a good mark ad a good set shot.

We lack serious height i the forward line with most of our players about the 195cm mark.

[beelzebub 22,282]

24 minutes ago, wheaters31 said:

Bulldogs and Hawks interested in Frost.

Hawks are a happy hunting ground for some of our blokes

[beelzebub 22,282]

1 hour ago, Ouch! said:

I'm still nervous, only cos I think Collingwood needs a player like Lever even more than us, and they are very keen also.  Hopeful that we get him, but it's not over the line methinks

Collingwood needs about 10 players...doesnt mean theyll get that many

[Demon trucker 1,779]

Stats stats stats lies lies lies,  none of them make sense, in the beginning of the year  Champion Data rated  Collingwood the best midfield what a joke, we  averaged over 90 points a game,  Fremantle average 70 where are they moving the ball quickly? to there own goal line to the defensive 50 back to there own goal line back to the defensive 50 and back again to the goal line really quickly, there is only 1 stat that matters on the score board,  the biggest reason we dropped off in the second half of the year was simple, injuries there was a few games there when our whole midfield was out injured, our midfield is not one paced  it is not slow players like Brayshaw are quick,  Viney has a little bit of speed, Oliver is actually quick  when he gets going, its all myth, the media say we are slow and most just take their word for it,  it's more about urgency not speed and thinking quick.

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3 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Stats stats stats lies lies lies,  none of them make sense, in the beginning of the year  Champion Data rated  Collingwood the best midfield what a joke, we  averaged over 90 points a game,  Fremantle average 70 where are they moving the ball quickly? to there own goal line to the defensive 50 back to there own goal line back to the defensive 50 and back again to the goal line really quickly, there is only 1 stat that matters on the score board,  the biggest reason we dropped off in the second half of the year was simple, injuries there was a few games there when our whole midfield was out injured, our midfield is not one paced  it is not slow players like Brayshaw are quick,  Viney has a little bit of speed, Oliver is actually quick  when he gets going, its all myth, the media say we are slow and most just take their word for it,  it's more about urgency not speed and thinking quick.

100% agree with this.

I think a couple of things contributed to our poor finish.

1) The 3 x 6 day breaks in  row resulted in a number of injuries to key players as well as young players tiring.

2) The players coming back from injury struggled to get back to their best: Watts, Gawn, Salem, Jones, Viney & even Tyson to a lesser extent.

I still think a hard running outside midfielder is the key to our success moving forward though. Gaff and Whitfield are the two that come to mind. Pick up one of those two along with Lever and we will 100% play finals in 2018.

[beelzebub 22,282]

11 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Stats stats stats lies lies lies,  none of them make sense, in the beginning of the year  Champion Data rated  Collingwood the best midfield what a joke, we  averaged over 90 points a game,  Fremantle average 70 where are they moving the ball quickly? to there own goal line to the defensive 50 back to there own goal line back to the defensive 50 and back again to the goal line really quickly, there is only 1 stat that matters on the score board,  the biggest reason we dropped off in the second half of the year was simple, injuries there was a few games there when our whole midfield was out injured, our midfield is not one paced  it is not slow players like Brayshaw are quick,  Viney has a little bit of speed, Oliver is actually quick  when he gets going, its all myth, the media say we are slow and most just take their word for it,  it's more about urgency not speed and thinking quick.

here's my view.. Stats of themselves are next to useless unless you provide context and pair/unite them with other stats to provide a larger picture with some meaning.

Fortunately for us the wise creators of this game foresaw this need and build such a meaningful construct.

it's called a SCOREBOARD  

[Demon trucker 1,779]

The reason why we did not make the 8 is we lack the killer punch,  many times when we had the foot on the opposition throat we took it off,  we relaxed and let the opposition kick the last couple of goals example first round, even Queen's  birthday Collingwood kicked the last goal.

[armstrong35 262]

I would love Lever but I wouldn't go overboard in getting him if it meant struggling to keep our young players in the future.

I would love for us to have a go at getting Kelly or Whitfield but out of the two I reckon we'd be more likely to get Whitfield.
I'd be more annoyed if we didn't have a crack than not getting them.
We shall see what happens!

[Garbo 1,348]

8 minutes ago, armstrong35 said:

I would love Lever but I wouldn't go overboard in getting him if it meant struggling to keep our young players in the future.

I would love for us to have a go at getting Kelly or Whitfield but out of the two I reckon we'd be more likely to get Whitfield.
I'd be more annoyed if we didn't have a crack than not getting them.
We shall see what happens!

Assuming we do end up getting Lever and he is on 700-800k. Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Hibberd  and others if they perform will all be within there rights to ask for more than that and more and if they don't get it to walk. We could be setting a bad precedent which will cost us players in the future. As you can only pay a hand full of players at that rate and I would assume Gawn, Hogan and Jones would already be on that we might end up losing a few if they put the foot down.

Edited September 1, 2017 by Garbo

[beelzebub 22,282]

keep in mind as we evaluate relative worth  , contracts, $ etc...the whole world of AFL currencies got revalued with the recent CBA.

What was isn't now. As players come up for renewals they new 'worth' will be recognised I'm sure