17-5 fixture

[DubDee 24,455]

I thought it might be interesting to see how the proposed 17-5 might work in practice as we have all played 17 games. 

If it happened this year MFC would instantly have no chance at top 4 missing out on the top 6 division on percentage. We'd have to battle for a finals spot

sydney and port would be in finals regardless despite being the same points as us

the pies and freo lose there very unlikely mathematical chance of making the finals and have a chance to get the number 1 draft pick which they wouldn't deserve. 

Clearly im not a fan and I'm making a lot of assumptions. Anyone else disagree/agree?

[biggestred 4,823]

Agreed. Stupid stupid idea 

[Sideshow Bob 2,289]

bit hard as not everyone has played everyone this year. we still haven't played gws or brissy. but we have played the top team twice... probably not quite as a good a guide this year as it would on others once everyone has played other just the once.

having said that still not a fan of the idea. something has to hapoen though. playing 5 teams twice is just stupid - everyone twice or everyone once would be my thoughts

Edited July 27, 2017 by jako13

[PaulRB 6,297]

The draw is one of the charms of the game, like the oval shaped ball! Sometimes it bounces perfectly, sometimes tragically... like the draw.

Good teams do well irrespective. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

8 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

The draw is one of the charms of the game, like the oval shaped ball! Sometimes it bounces perfectly, sometimes tragically... like the draw.

Good teams do well irrespective. 

I think you are right. 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,217]

50 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I thought it might be interesting to see how the proposed 17-5 might work in practice as we have all played 17 games. 

If it happened this year MFC would instantly have no chance at top 4 missing out on the top 6 division on percentage. We'd have to battle for a finals spot

sydney and port would be in finals regardless despite being the same points as us

the pies and freo lose there very unlikely mathematical chance of making the finals and have a chance to get the number 1 draft pick which they wouldn't deserve. 

Clearly im not a fan and I'm making a lot of assumptions. Anyone else disagree/agree?

I thought your place on the ladder after 17 rounds only dictated who you played twice, I didn't realise that the ladder was locked.

[Diamond_Jim 12,367]

32 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

The draw is one of the charms of the game, like the oval shaped ball! Sometimes it bounces perfectly, sometimes tragically... like the draw.

Good teams do well irrespective. 

While the draw may bounce the fact is that the money ball games remain with the power house clubs

[PaulRB 6,297]

10 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

While the draw may bounce the fact is that the money ball games remain with the power house clubs

So we're in the process of recreating ourselves as a power house club. 

Change is inevitable. 

We're profitable, young and exciting and... finals bound. 

Build it and they will come.

[buck_nekkid 5,819]

Here is a way it could work:

17 rounds play everyone once.

divide into 3 groups of 6.  

Play randomly selected 2 teams from each group (2 top 6, two middle 6, two bottom 6.). Now the comp gets even.  Even better if this was based on previous years positions at end of home and away.

biggest problem with all of these funky draws is ground bookings, travel arrangements and hospitality stuff.  If we were at round 17, and next week we had a game in Sydney (or Hobart, Perth etc) how could supporters book flights at reasonable prices?  How would the clubs book flights, hotel rooms etc for that many people at short notice?

overall, it is not the AFL's job to make it exciting.  It is to make it fair so the teams can make it exciting.  They should seriously [censored] off and stop meddling.

[Skuit 9,965]

17-5

AFLX

Finals Wildcard.

OOB last-touch penalty.

Just freakin' stop already.

 

[Deestroy All 14,262]

13 minutes ago, Skuit said:

17-5

AFLX

Finals Wildcard.

OOB last-touch penalty.

Just freakin' stop already.

 

I'd like one minor change where a basketball ring is suspended at the top of the goalposts. If you get it in (via kicking, of course) it's one million points. 

Other than that, and maybe trampolines in the forward 50, leave the damn rules alone. 

[monoccular 17,338]

7 hours ago, biggestred said:

Agreed. Stupid stupid idea 

== dill Gil thought bubble

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

First thing's first, after 17 game every team should have played every other team.  The fact that we have played some teams twice and others not at all is ridiculous.

A 17 game season would be ideal.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

10 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

biggest problem with all of these funky draws is ground bookings, travel arrangements and hospitality stuff.  If we were at round 17, and next week we had a game in Sydney (or Hobart, Perth etc) how could supporters book flights at reasonable prices?  How would the clubs book flights, hotel rooms etc for that many people at short notice?

overall, it is not the AFL's job to make it exciting.  It is to make it fair so the teams can make it exciting.  They should seriously [censored] off and stop meddling.

The AFL haven't even got round 23 settled this year because they need to wait to see what the ladder could potentially be. Imagine the issues around trying to get round 18 sorted out under this model . They'd have to allow for teams that would have 6 day breaks, travel, hotels etc like you mentioned and they'd have from Sunday night to do all that by say Tuesday to give enough time for teams/supporters to get organised. 

Surely this is the season that they can look at and go "it's not broken, why the F do we have to try and fix it?". Maybe they just need to give their people something to do so they stop shagging the support staff? 

[Diamond_Jim 12,367]

56 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

First thing's first, after 17 game every team should have played every other team.  The fact that we have played some teams twice and others not at all is ridiculous.

A 17 game season would be ideal.

Out of interest when would you start and end the season?

I think 17 rounds is an idea worth thinking about but I would like to see a March start and September end like now. That would mean time off mid winter in a block or staggered byes.

Would you retain the dedicated blockbusters such as Anzac day or would it be a real draw (out of a hat). There would have to be some compromise simply to ensure available grounds.

[PaulRB 6,297]

I reckon keep it same as now play everyone once and the remaining games filled out over a 3 year cycle, I.e you play every team 4 times over a 3 year period... draw them out of a hat with schedule over 3 years.

[george_on_the_outer 7,434]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

First thing's first, after 17 game every team should have played every other team.  The fact that we have played some teams twice and others not at all is ridiculous.

A 17 game season would be ideal.

Be careful what you ask for. .......who do you think would get to play Fremantle in W.A, or Port in Adelaide.... Collingwood, Essendon or Melbourne or the Dogs?

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,367]

5 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Be careful what you ask for. .......who do you think would get to play Fremantle in W.A, or Port in Adelaide.... Collingwood, Essendon or Melbourne or the Dogs?

 

In a perfect world it would simply alternate year by year .. one year you play Freo in WA .. the next in Melbourne

Given that there are 8 interstate teams every Melbourne based team would ideally have 4 road trips each year.

Trouble is the world isn't perfect

[Thrice 216]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

First thing's first, after 17 game every team should have played every other team.  The fact that we have played some teams twice and others not at all is ridiculous.

A 17 game season would be ideal.

You do realise a 17 round season means 45 fewer games per season out of 207 currently (198 H&A and 9 finals), or put another way 22% fewer games? In broad terms, taking into account value of finals etc, the $2.5B TV rights deal becomes around $2.0B - that's a $100m per season hit to the bottom line. The players and coaches get paid less, less money into development etc etc.

Not going to happen.

[What 18,810]

Just leave the draw as it is.

22 games is perfect and it is pretty fair anyway, as the ladder is split into thirds to determine who plays who and how many times.

The only problem of course being Essendon who were gifted the easiest draw (and pick 1) despite having all their players back from the ban. Thats just AFL corruption. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,367]

4 minutes ago, Thrice said:

You do realise a 17 round season means 45 fewer games per season out of 207 currently (198 H&A and 9 finals), or put another way 22% fewer games? In broad terms, taking into account value of finals etc, the $2.5B TV rights deal becomes around $2.0B - that's a $100m per season hit to the bottom line. The players and coaches get paid less, less money into development etc etc.

Not going to happen.

you assume a 17 week home and away season which is fair.

If however you still play a 22 week season and then structure byes the TV rights value does not change as you still have weekly product of 6-7 matches. If anything production costs go down for the TV stations and the ratings remain the same.

Gate receipts might go down but arguably average attendance per game goes up and you are not hit with the cost of opening stadiums for under attended games.

[Thrice 216]

I actually don't mind the 17/5 concept. It's better than the wildcard round for 7-10.

It would obviously go hand in hand with playing everyone once in the first 17 rounds. It shows the value of percentage that we aren't there for this round - we've had plenty of chances to have 1 more win too which would have us in 5th. It's the whole point of the H/A season generally. 

For those whinging about how it applies to this season we've won 3 of the 4 from teams we've played twice so far (Blues and Crows), which basically mirror GWS and Brisbane anyway. For this season it means we play Essendon, Western Bulldogs, West Coast, St Kilda and Collingwood. We're 5-0 against them this year and have ladder advantage, so it actually makes our run into the finals easier from this point.

If we were in the top 6 we've beaten the Crows (once) and Port and lost to Richmond and Geelong (I'll exclude Sydney because theoretically they wouldn't be there). The advantage is that you are guaranteed finals, and it places an advantage on being top 4 because 5th and 6th need to beat the top teams to unseat them.

13th to 18th are all played on Foxtel at the grave yard times, so it's better for neutral supporters. The other games get played in prime slots which ensure there are better matches when more people are watching. 

[Bates Mate 4,428]

7 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Just leave the draw as it is.

22 games is perfect and it is pretty fair anyway, as the ladder is split into thirds to determine who plays who and how many times.

The only problem of course being Essendon who were gifted the easiest draw (and pick 1) despite having all their players back from the ban. Thats just AFL corruption. 

agree while I'm done with that whole topic. The 1st draft pick irked me. It should have been they get pick 18 as their first 

but anyway over wasting thought on those cheats ! 

[Thrice 216]

11 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

you assume a 17 week home and away season which is fair.

If however you still play a 22 week season and then structure byes the TV rights value does not change as you still have weekly product of 6-7 matches. If anything production costs go down for the TV stations and the ratings remain the same.

Gate receipts might go down but arguably average attendance per game goes up and you are not hit with the cost of opening stadiums for under attended games.

It is probably a fair assumption that average revenue per match would go up, but which ever way you look at it there is less revenue coming in.

17-5 would also be more favourable for TV rights, as there is guaranteed to be more quality matches for prime times for the back end of the season heading into the finals. Not to mention for attendances, as there would be a 'finals-lite' type atmosphere for the 1-6 and 7-12 brackets as all would be genuine 8 point games.

Edited July 28, 2017 by Thrice

[Dr. Gonzo 23,725]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Out of interest when would you start and end the season?

I think 17 rounds is an idea worth thinking about but I would like to see a March start and September end like now. That would mean time off mid winter in a block or staggered byes.

Would you retain the dedicated blockbusters such as Anzac day or would it be a real draw (out of a hat). There would have to be some compromise simply to ensure available grounds.

17 rounds over 19 or 20 weeks so each team gets 2 byes wouldn't be much different to now.