You [censored] what?!?!

  On 13/07/2017 at 11:35, chookrat said:

It sends a better message than ostracising people who make mistakes for eternity. This can be a positive to raise awareness of doping, governance and mental health.

This wasn't a mistake. James Hird didn't "accidentally" inject his players with banned drugs.

You bunch of hypocrites.

 

Goodwin wanted the "good stuff too".

 

Hird was a scapegoat.  Email proof that he wanted WADA compliance.

 

Coincidenceland at its worst.  Words fail me.  Headline reading simpleton hypocrisy.

  On 13/07/2017 at 11:35, chookrat said:

It sends a better message than ostracising people who make mistakes for eternity. This can be a positive to raise awareness of doping, governance and mental health.

 

Gary Ablett senior didn't make it into the hall of fame for some years because of off field shenanigans.

Meanwhile Hird plunged the league into its biggest crisis in memory, perhaps ever, but let's let bygones be bygones and invite the ringleader onto the biggest stage as if it never happened.

The AFL will mention "doping", "governance" or "mental health" before, during or after Hird presents the medal? I don't think so.

  On 13/07/2017 at 11:31, chookrat said:

Sue, irrespective of his actions as head coach of the EFC, Hird is still a legend of the game and has certainly paid the price for his role in the clubs doping program.  I think this can be a good thing especially when we consider players speaking up re mental health and I think Hird could contribute positively to the topic.

Irrespective of anything he did on the field he is an unrepentant phlogg of the highest order.

That he's even allowed inside a ground is beyond me.

I fear for the world of chocolate !!

I'm going against the grain and agreeing with it.

Hird is one of the greatest players I have seen.

He is the unfairly the face of the scandal. Let's not forget Goodwin was involved in the coaching and Hibberd was playing with the alleged drug cheating.

The AFL need to offer Hird an olive branch. I am not sure, however, this is the best way. They do need to do something.

Id agree with those saying he should be welcomed back IF hed accepted his responsibilities and then actually not launched every wasteful court case he could, and still maintain innocence when they were clearly very guilty!

Very reflective of the state of Football, Australian Rules, really sport in Australia for that matter on a downward spiral, and as quite a few folk on here have said, they would have walked away otherwise, were it not for MFC.

Hird's situation, not dissimilar to Watson.Hand the medal back, present a medal, pretty much the same hypocritical ignorance.

The AFL FOOTY Community know which way their bread is buttered, Melbourne is all i care about, and we are doing what we doing by ourselves....

The AFL trashed their own brand - not a smart business move. What clowns.

The AFL should never have signed up with ASADA/WADA in the first place, thereby surrendering their authority to botherers from outside of our game.

Get over Hird.

Danks  will probably toss the coin 

  On 13/07/2017 at 12:38, chook fowler said:

Danks  will probably toss the coin 

I reckon Robinson or Dank should be there to hand the medal to Hird, a real family affair.

  On 13/07/2017 at 11:35, chookrat said:

It sends a better message than ostracising people who make mistakes for eternity. This can be a positive to raise awareness of doping, governance and mental health.

Until Hird admits guilt and acknowledges what he did, your thoughts are hollow.

  On 13/07/2017 at 10:00, brendan said:

Afl are a bunch of [censored] morons, I have heard Ben cousins to hand over the premiership cup and lance Armstrong to toss the 

Gee this is a sign we are gonna make the GF can you imagine if Hibberd or Melksham win the Norm Smith spooky 5hit.

  On 13/07/2017 at 12:18, biggestred said:

Id agree with those saying he should be welcomed back IF hed accepted his responsibilities and then actually not launched every wasteful court case he could, and still maintain innocence when they were clearly very guilty!

Confess your sins James and you shall receive the mothers mercy

Will be ironic if Hird gives the Norm to Michael Hibberd

Nathan Buckley has come out and stated Collingwood will be boycotting this years finals in protest. 

  On 13/07/2017 at 12:06, Wrecker45 said:

I'm going against the grain and agreeing with it.

Hird is one of the greatest players I have seen.

He is the unfairly the face of the scandal. Let's not forget Goodwin was involved in the coaching and Hibberd was playing with the alleged drug cheating.

The AFL need to offer Hird an olive branch. I am not sure, however, this is the best way. They do need to do something.

Are you insane? The guy is a cheating [censored] and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football field. Ever.

The only good I can see coming out of this is that the shade of Norm Smith decides he has had enough of cursing us and puts it on those turds instead.

AFL have zero self awareness. Incredible.

And to be honest when I read the thread title I thought they were asking him to hand back his 2000 Norm SMith due to an investigation into his playing days and his connections to Shane Charter. 

Instead they have chosen to glorify him.

Talking of medals and handing them back, what did happen to Jobe's Brownlow?

He said it was in his sock draw, his manager said the 'dog ate it'.  After some hullabaloo and concern that Jobe didn't actually give it back, Gil said it was in a draw in his office. 

But Jobe's cousin, Jeb Ross of StKilda has said it may be hanging on the wall at their grandparents house http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/jobe-watsons-cousin-seb-ross-unsure-if-brownlow-medal/news-story/8bf8e12a30f03c1ab19bdbd23b70d90c 

Jeb said: “I’m not sure if that is a replica or the real one. I don’t know if they have got it tucked away.”

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole 'handing back the medal' was just a charade. 

If the real Brownlow medal is still in the possession of the Watson family it is a disgrace by the AFL.  It taints the Brownlow name and is offensive to the real winners, Cotchin and Mitchell.

Grand Final day and Hird presenting the Norm Smith medal = public cleansing of St James on the biggest stage of our game!  Sickening.

The AFL has shown once again that they have zero interest in maintaining the integrity of the game. 

Less than five years after this guy was the senior coach and was a huge part of an illegal supplements saga, he's presenting an award that stands for the integrity of the game on the big stage. 

This on the back of the AFL giving them pick one last year which was also a joke. 

He should Have been banned for life for his involvement in that disaster and we are still yet to see what the long term health implications are for the players. 

  On 13/07/2017 at 20:37, Lucifer's Hero said:

Talking of medals and handing them back, what did happen to Jobe's Brownlow?

He said it was in his sock draw, his manager said the 'dog ate it'.  After some hullabaloo and concern that Jobe didn't actually give it back, Gil said it was in a draw in his office. 

But Jobe's cousin, Jeb Ross of StKilda has said it may be hanging on the wall at their grandparents house http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/jobe-watsons-cousin-seb-ross-unsure-if-brownlow-medal/news-story/8bf8e12a30f03c1ab19bdbd23b70d90c 

Jeb said: “I’m not sure if that is a replica or the real one. I don’t know if they have got it tucked away.”

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole 'handing back the medal' was just a charade. 

If the real Brownlow medal is still in the possession of the Watson family it is a disgrace by the AFL.  It taints the Brownlow name and is offensive to the real winners, Cotchin and Mitchell.

Grand Final day and the Norm Smith medal = public cleansing of St James on the biggest stage of our game!  Sickening.

actually i heard jobe's brownlow is hanging on elvis presley's wall in his tijuana home along side the holy grail and the ark of the covenant 

The AFL have apparently also asked SouthPark's 'Big Gay Al' to provide half time entertainment. A great opportunity to forget, forgive 'n feel super again.

Will his French girlfriend be on stage with him?