Casey Demons v Collingwood VFL

[shorty 233]

31 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Well done Waggers. Harshly dropped and didn't sook, just killed it. 

Great to have Speno back to dominate the rock against the dogs next week

I might be the minority, but I'm a big Wagner fan, we need to remember how many games some of these guys have played before we critique them harshly. Wagner is good by foot and by the time he reaches 60 games will match Hibberd. This lad is yet to do a full preseason, he reads the play and he will set us up off half back as he grows in confidence for many years the come.  

[dieter 3,325]

56 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I agree that it's great that he dominated, but attitude-wise I think we need to raise the bar a bit higher than "didn't sook". It should be a given that players don't sook when demoted.  

Stiff upper lip, eh?

I'd rather someone who showed his feelings. He's a human being after all, not a Woolworths-type automaton.

Also, by the sounds of the game he played he certainly wasn't 'sooking'.

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by dieter

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, goodoil said:

Got a rare look at Casey and my thoughts:

Sam Weideman - over four quarters played really well.  He is still so light that his best moments are Jack Watts type pieces of play, leading up to the ball carrier and being a link man.  I think he had a direct hand in five goals with his ground level play, (the bit of play to set up Lewis-Smith's goal was exceptional)and could have kicked five or six himself.  Still a fair way off being a consistent AFL key forward because he can't take compete physically to take the dominant marks fan crave, but this game suggests he is on the right track.  Probably needs to be shielded from AFL footy for a while to build confidence and strength.

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We forget, fer crissake, he's only 19!!!!!!

He'll be a gun.

 

[old dee 23,790]

1 hour ago, MT64 said:

There are a lot of us who remember that day. Slept outside the ground for the whole week prior to the G.F. "T section" was alive that day. What with the function after the game and Sunday, finally got home Sunday night. Brother and I had a great time even if he does barrack for Collywobles.

I was there too MT, Sadly I am in the same bracket "OLD"

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

No wonder Wagner was allegedly looking dejected at training - he was solid vs Gold Coast and hes a class above VFL level.

He was OK, but isn't best 22 right now.  He has to get bigger in body IMO.  He's flashing about like a fly, but not doing enough right now.  Not back to his best yet.

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Gee that kirby kid from the pies gets rattled easily. 

Agree about kent what has happened. He used to be a reliable goal scorer and used to put on defensive tackles all the time. 

Gee I would just love to see Trenners go well and get himself back into the team. After his foot injuries and that period of dealing with the captaincy. Just think he deserves some luck.

 

I'd rather see him rookie'd than delisted completely. 

Rookie him, & make him captain of Casey Demons, & an assistant weekday coach of the Melbourne Demons.

[hells bells 2,023]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

We forget, fer crissake, he's only 19!!!!!!

He'll be a gun.

 

He's a baby, playing Key Position Forward.  

In reality it shows how special Hogan's first couple of years were.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

2 hours ago, shorty said:

I might be the minority, but I'm a big Wagner fan, we need to remember how many games some of these guys have played before we critique them harshly. Wagner is good by foot and by the time he reaches 60 games will match Hibberd. This lad is yet to do a full preseason, he reads the play and he will set us up off half back as he grows in confidence for many years the come.  

Very different from Hibberd, and won't kick as well. But is better at some stuff than Hibberd too.

I think he's in a tough spot. He's not in the 22 for a reason. Hunt, Salem, Jordie, Hibberd, Jetta, Melksham, Vince all miles ahead. I expect in 2 years when Jordie hangs them up and Vince is gone, he'll take their place. But no-one should be too worried about him yet. Plenty of time.

[chook fowler 19,459]

I thought Wagner was clearly BOG and looked a cut above. Given his injuries it won't hurt him to regain touch at Casey. Seems to be a good decision maker and generates good supply from the backline. I think he will end up having a good career.

[Gator 17,350]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Well done Waggers. Harshly dropped and didn't sook, just killed it. 

Great to have Speno back to dominate the rock against the dogs next week

Here's the deal.  If Wagner emulates that performance at AFL level he doesn't get dropped.

[Old Bear 388]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I was there too MT, Sadly I am in the same bracket "OLD"

Me too

[DeeZone 9,839]

Thanks KC and all posters great to read the insights and get a feel for how the boys are travelling also good that we are building depth around the club, great that Weeds played so well we can be a bit harsh at times. Go Casey,

Go Dee's on Monday, looking forward to the game but very apprehensive at the same time.!!!!!

[Members' Wing 1,106]

The word some people seem to be looking for is uninterested. Disinterested means impartial.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,820]

I hope we don't regret rushing Salem in for Wagner who is starting to heat up.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

14 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I hope we don't regret rushing Salem in for Wagner who is starting to heat up.

How is bringing Salem in after a week's suspension "rushing." He wasn't hurt?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

58 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

How is bringing Salem in after a week's suspension "rushing." He wasn't hurt?

The Wagner stuff snowballed from him apparently being 'dejected' at training.  Some get a hold of it and then the rest run with it.  It's silly.  The kid will be fine, but Salem is in our best side, while Wagner isn't.  Not to mention that they want Salem playing midfield which will free up Jordan Lewis to play the sweeper role more often across half back.  I'd rather Lewis there than Wagner at this point in time.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

The Wagner stuff snowballed from him apparently being 'dejected' at training.  Some get a hold of it and then the rest run with it.  It's silly.  The kid will be fine, but Salem is in our best side, while Wagner isn't.  Not to mention that they want Salem playing midfield which will free up Jordan Lewis to play the sweeper role more often across half back.  I'd rather Lewis there than Wagner at this point in time.

Yeah, was a rhetorical question.

I don't think Wagner was that good in his last game that he demanded being kept in. His first half actually was frustrating. Right now, it's Salem > Wags for anyone who can read the game. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah, was a rhetorical question.

I don't think Wagner was that good in his last game that he demanded being kept in. His first half actually was frustrating. Right now, it's Salem > Wags for anyone who can read the game. 

I agree.  I think Wagner will be a good depth player for us, but Salem adds more for us at the minute than Wagner does.  

And the 'dejected' stuff at training is rubbish as well.  If, and it's a big if, the 'psychologists' of Demonland could pick up body language as some claim they can, then the kid needs to grow up and understand that this stuff happens.  I'd rather a player stick his head down and do everything he can to get back in the side, rather than 'sook' about it.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

I agree.  I think Wagner will be a good depth player for us, but Salem adds more for us at the minute than Wagner does.  

And the 'dejected' stuff at training is rubbish as well.  If, and it's a big if, the 'psychologists' of Demonland could pick up body language as some claim they can, then the kid needs to grow up and understand that this stuff happens.  I'd rather a player stick his head down and do everything he can to get back in the side, rather than 'sook' about it.

Yeah I don't believe this dejected stuff for a second. Could be dejected for any reason.

I reckon they'll both end up best 22 in a year or two. We do have a handful of guys who will move on soon.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

I caught the end of this game after work.  One thing I noticed was The Weed refusing to take shots on goal.  He took a mark about 45m out directly in front and later another mark on the boundary.  In both cases he went for the pass and turned the ball over.  Is that usual for him?  If so, they need to iron it out of his game ASAP.  Both of those should have been scores and it's his job to take the responsibility to kick them. 

[Gator 17,350]

33 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I caught the end of this game after work.  One thing I noticed was The Weed refusing to take shots on goal.  He took a mark about 45m out directly in front and later another mark on the boundary.  In both cases he went for the pass and turned the ball over.  Is that usual for him?  If so, they need to iron it out of his game ASAP.  Both of those should have been scores and it's his job to take the responsibility to kick them. 

He did the right thing when he was on the boundary.  He didn't "turn it over".

[puntkick 325]

5 hours ago, dieter said:

We forget, fer crissake, he's only 19!!!!!!

He'll be a gun.

 

Can't wait to see what another one of them , 13  , I believe brings tomorrow.

Gunna be some big 21sts at the club in the not too distant future !

[puntkick 325]

5 hours ago, old dee said:

I was there too MT, Sadly I am in the same bracket "OLD"

I was there too OD but there's no need to shout " OLD " I can still hear !

You seem to have been a bit quieter of late. Are the " LIDS " still over the back fence or are you playing the % game ?

[Vagg 2,439]

15 hours ago, monoccular said:

Barrie - always good to beat them. September 1964 bring back memories? ?

Mono, now you're getting me feel all warm & fuzzy!!

[Demonland 72,186]

THE RACE by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons have landed in the Peter Jackson VFL top eight for the first time this year after a strong performance against Collingwood VFL at Casey Fields. 

The team made a shaky start to a scrappy game in which both sides displayed some poor skills, particularly with their disposal although the visitors' accuracy for goal made the game a much closer contest than it should have been.

The Demons welcomed back Jake Spencer in the ruck and, although he looked understandably rusty, his 35 hit outs aided by some good work from Declan Keilty were a highlight in a team that has so far this year been consistently beaten in the ruck department. The winning ruck gave it many opportunities to open up play and run the ball forward and this resulted in a dominating 55 to 36 advantage in the inside 50 count.

The teams are close competitors in the finals race and the Magpies made Casey rue some early missed chances in front of goal when they hit the lead with the opening two goals of the second term. However, from that point onward, the Demons took control with a six goal spree that stretched into the second half. Collingwood attempted a comeback with three goals on the run but Casey settled and was well in control even though it conceded some late goals in the end.

Defenders Josh Wagner (27 disposals, 1 goal) and Mitch White (18 touches) were superb in defence and James Munro played a great stopping role getting into the face of Magpie forward Kayle Kirby who was a match winner last week with six goals.

VFL interstate representative Bayley Fritsch underlined his talent with three first half goals and he looks eminently draftable. Ed Morris was another VFL-listed player who stood out. 

One of the highlights for Melbourne people would have been the form of key forward Sam Weideman who overcame a slow start to finish full of running kicking two games in a game in which he could easily have finished with five. With another preseason including more strength and conditioning work, he should become a regular fixture as an AFL key forward who can add further value by helping out in the ruck.

Other Demons who showed out were Ben Kennedy, Billy Stretch, Jack Trengove, Dean Kent and Jay Kennedy-Harris who called it a day at half time in order to stay fresh in the event of being required as an emergency for Monday. Corey Maynard continues to do well after his recent enforced two week lay off from concussion.

The win was a big improvement on the equivalent game from last year when the Casey side was kept to a mere two goals on a bog heap. This time the ground was in good nick and the Demons who have now won three games in a row, took the points because they had a clear skill advantage over their rivals.

They return to Casey Fields next Saturday night for a replay of last year's grand final against Footscray VFL although at least half of the team that took part in the disappointment of that loss will not be out there on the field this time around. A win is needed to keep them in the finals race.

Peter Jackson VFL 2017

Casey Demons 4.4.28 8.8.56 13.11.89 15.12.102

Collingwood VFL 3.1.19 5.4.34 8.5.53 13.5.83

Goals

Casey Demons Fritsch 3 Kent Stretch Weideman 2 Johnstone Lewis-Smith Maynard T Smith Trengove Wagner

Collingwood VFL Mayne 4 Cox Kirby 2 Daicos Hellier Keeffe Lane Sier

Best

Casey Demons Wagner Kennedy Stretch White Weideman Munro

Collingwood VFL Blair Keeffe Ramsay Hellier Mayne Cox

Statistics 

 

Liam Hulett 3 kicks 2 handballs 5 disposals 1 marks 2 tackles 2 hit outs 24 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 1 goals 7 kicks 4 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 8 tackles 74 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 1 behind 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 7 tackles 15 hit outs 72 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 15 kicks 13 handballs 28 disposals 3 marks 6 tackles 100 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 8 kicks 5 handballs 13 disposals 1 marks 6 tackles dream 61 team points
Dean Kent 2 goals 1 behind 13 kicks 9 handballs 22 disposals 4 marks 6 tackles 1 hit out 102 dream team points
Corey Maynard 1 goal 3 behinds 9 kicks 13 handballs 22 disposals 3 marks 8 tackles 94 dream team points
Tim Smith 1 goal 1 behind 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 50 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 35 hit outs 68 dream team points
Billy Stretch 2 goals 6 kicks 18 handballs 24 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 90 dream team points
Jack Trengove 1 goal 7 kicks 12 handballs 19 disposals 3 marks 6 tackles 82 dream team points
Josh Wagner 1 goal 12 kicks 15 handballs 27 disposals 6 marks 1 tackles 88 dream team points
Sam Weideman 2 goals 3 behinds 13 kicks 8 handballs 21 disposals 8 marks 4 hit outs 99 dream team points
Mitch White 16 kicks 2 handballs 18 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 71 dream team points

 

Speaking of grand final replays, it was an 189 point turnaround for Casey against the 2016 Development League premier Box Hill in the early game with Mitch King starring in the ruck after a week out with illness and Nathan Gardiner and Corey Machaya kicking five goals each.

AFL Vic Development League 2017

Casey Demons 4.3.27 9.7.61 15.10.100 21.16.142

Box Hill Hawks 4.1.25 5.2.32 8.4.52 9.4.58

Goals

Casey Demons Gardiner Machaya 5 Ferreira Foote 2 Ambler Cox Di Pasquale Dwyer Johnston King Lok

Box Hill Hawks Davies Hehir 3 Codd-Miller Dimasi Maloney

Best

Casey Demons King Dwyer Briggs Giobbi Gardiner Cox

Box Hill Hawks Maloney Hehir O'Sullivan Horner Haynes Fisher