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The Petracca v McCartin debate reprised

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5 hours ago, A F said:

I think some are certainly catching on. If Oliver turns it on again tomorrow, there'll be no hiding it.

Flanagan didn't seem to notice it in his article yesterday which seemed to praise nearly every other star on our list!

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    Just on the question of the club's intentions going into that draft, I was at the pre draft talk at the club with Jason Taylor and Todd Viney and they basically had it down to taking two of Petracca, McCartin and Brayshaw but the way they spoke it sounded very much like they believed the Saints would take the truck, spending a lot of time talking about Paddy's attributes. They even mentioned how he dealt with his diabetes and the need for him to manage it with rests during games. 

    There was also the matter about Alan Richardson being close with the Petracca family and how he knew Christian from when he was a young kid. 

    There is a lot to suggest that the Saints changed their minds in the eleventh hour. I think we might have lucked out on this one.

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    McCartin's going to be a very special player. Time will tell who will end up having the better career.

    Saints made the right move as Riewoldt isn't going to be there forever. He was nearly done last week.

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    34 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    McCartin's going to be a very special player. Time will tell who will end up having the better career.

    Saints made the right move as Riewoldt isn't going to be there forever. He was nearly done last week.

    Special ?

    Hogan is special.  McCartin might be solid, or even very good, I don't see "special".

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    1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    Just on the question of the club's intentions going into that draft, I was at the pre draft talk at the club with Jason Taylor and Todd Viney and they basically had it down to taking two of Petracca, McCartin and Brayshaw but the way they spoke it sounded very much like they believed the Saints would take the truck, spending a lot of time talking about Paddy's attributes. They even mentioned how he dealt with his diabetes and the need for him to manage it with rests during games. 

    There was also the matter about Alan Richardson being close with the Petracca family and how he knew Christian from when he was a young kid. 

    There is a lot to suggest that the Saints changed their minds in the eleventh hour. I think we might have lucked out on this one.

    Don't you mean lucked IN? 

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    1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    Just on the question of the club's intentions going into that draft, I was at the pre draft talk at the club with Jason Taylor and Todd Viney and they basically had it down to taking two of Petracca, McCartin and Brayshaw but the way they spoke it sounded very much like they believed the Saints would take the truck, spending a lot of time talking about Paddy's attributes. They even mentioned how he dealt with his diabetes and the need for him to manage it with rests during games. 

    There was also the matter about Alan Richardson being close with the Petracca family and how he knew Christian from when he was a young kid. 

    There is a lot to suggest that the Saints changed their minds in the eleventh hour. I think we might have lucked out on this one.

    If true, this is why I am forever thankful that St Kilda too McCartin.

    A rare oversight from the otherwise brilliant Jason Taylor.

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    Not really an oversight if he thought Petracca would go number 1. What's apparent is the club rated McCartin in the top 3 talents for that draft. What Jason Taylor's order would have been is speculative. 

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    1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    Just on the question of the club's intentions going into that draft, I was at the pre draft talk at the club with Jason Taylor and Todd Viney and they basically had it down to taking two of Petracca, McCartin and Brayshaw but the way they spoke it sounded very much like they believed the Saints would take the truck, spending a lot of time talking about Paddy's attributes. They even mentioned how he dealt with his diabetes and the need for him to manage it with rests during games. 

    There was also the matter about Alan Richardson being close with the Petracca family and how he knew Christian from when he was a young kid. 

    There is a lot to suggest that the Saints changed their minds in the eleventh hour. I think we might have lucked out on this one.

    The saints got spooked when Boyd went to the dogs for a million a season. They were gonna have a crack at him the following year when he came out of contract. The price tag made them think taking a key forward early is better than trying to trade one in and selling the farm in the process.

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    49 minutes ago, bingers said:

    Don't you mean lucked IN? 

    Unfortunately "lucked out" has become one of those expressions to have an antonymous double meaning.  I died a little on the inside recently when Merriam-Webster added a definition of 'literally' to mean the same as 'figuratively'.

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    When I look at the best 3 up and coming key forwards in the comp 

    lynch, Jesse and joe 

    they have cover the ground so well and run their opposition off their feet, I've never seen anything to suggest paddy can do this, I think he's a Charlie Dixon style full forward who might be good but not reach the level of the three above. 

     

    Petracca to me the only real concern I have with him is I am not sure if he's either a genuine forward or mid, I think he may well only ever be a burst midfield player which is fine if the others come on as expected 

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    2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

     

    There is a lot to suggest that the Saints changed their minds in the eleventh hour. I think we might have lucked out on this one.

    "Lucked out" is a strange description, when what is meant is that we got the luck.

    I have always thought that about this term.

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    41 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    Unfortunately "lucked out" has become one of those expressions to have an antonymous double meaning.  I died a little on the inside recently when Merriam-Webster added a definition of 'literally' to mean the same as 'figuratively'.

    Sorry Nasher, didn't see your post before I did mine.

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    Petracca is destined to be a super player for us.

    Skills and talent aside though, I like his infectious enthusiasm and what that brings to the group. It's refreshing to have his personality type kicking around in the team - it gives the group some further dimensionality (X factor).

    In fact, I'm ultra confident about where this group is headed. It's got all the right ingredients.

    Jordan Lewis is the perfect counter-point to this. He'll harness the talent of the likes of Petracca and ensure it is utilised in a calm, disciplined and effective way. It's the very reason I feel calm about playing Carlton today, whereas in years gone past I'd be feeling super anxious about the game and be expecting an inconvenient loss against a lesser side.

     

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    2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    McCartin's going to be a very special player. Time will tell who will end up having the better career.

    Saints made the right move as Riewoldt isn't going to be there forever. He was nearly done last week.

    Again watching him yesterday "special" didn't jump out at me. Solid, some potential were the words I had in mind. Really needs to lift his game sense and just can't body or find the ball in the air like our man Hoges (not many can but he is special).

    Oh PD beat me to it.

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    2 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

    The poor bloke can't play a game without having his head thumped into the turf.

     

    Yes. Another nasty knock yesterday. Surely can't do his long term health any good 

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    12 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

    Petracca is destined to be a super player for us.

     

    Jordan Lewis is the perfect counter-point to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 It's the very reason I feel calm about playing Carlton today, whereas in years gone past I'd be feeling super anxious about the game and be expecting an inconvenient loss against a lesser side.

     

      I agree Petracca will be great , along with our other young blokes,   but its now that concerns me, this year,   With Lewis involved I am not nearly as concerned about "blowing" 4 points we should get and get easily.  He should control the backs and keep every one calm,     Go Dees give 'em HELL  !!

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    people are forgetting Darcy Moore and Nakia Cockatoo. In the same draft as Petracca, Wright and McCartin. Both of these guys could be stars IMO

     

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    8 minutes ago, btdemon said:

    people are forgetting Darcy Moore and Nakia Cockatoo. In the same draft as Petracca, Wright and McCartin. Both of these guys could be stars IMO

     

    Darcy Moores development is going to take a halt in the same vein as Josh Fraser. Why? because he is being asked to be their number 1 forward coming up against the likes of Rance and Frawley who will monster him. His body is still growing and atm he should be playing 3rd tall foil like Weideman is currently. I feel for the kid because he is a super talent. Unfortunately letting go off Cloke might bite them back because he would always take the best defender and i thought that's where Moore played his best footy.

    Nakis while talented goes missing too often and very inconsistent.

    I'm very happy with Brayshaw and Tracca thanks.

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    Petraaca could be the second greatest player of Italian heritage ever.

    1.RDB

    2.Petracca

    3 .Jezza 

    4.Silvagni.

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    8 minutes ago, Biffen said:

    Petraaca could be the second greatest player of Italian heritage ever.

    1.RDB

    2.Petracca

    3 .Jezza 

    4.Silvagni.

    Lol ...Jezza was Ukrainian.

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    A question about Petracca.

     

    Super talented yes and I def look forward to his progress. He was described at the time of being drafted as being something like a  Dusty or a Wines. I cant quite see the explosive pace in him of Dusty or the mongrel of Wines. Remember BOTH of those players were making marks in their first season. I think trac is coming on nicely without taking anything by storm ( practice match v the blues excluded) Before I start bragging re not choosing Mc Cartin I want to see him really bust a few games open this year. I also think we lucked out ( or in) with this one...just want to really see the proof. 

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    24 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

    Lol ...Jezza was Ukrainian.

    That's good information .

    Brings the Rugolo brothers into contention.

    Dont tell me they are Maltese.

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    McCartin has had a wretched run with collision injuries and concussions, so hard to say how he'll turn out.

    But then again, Petracca has already had a full year out and then some, due to injury.

    Can't help thinking that the Saints were hoping for a Riewoldt, and got a Koschitzke.

    Meanwhile, Melbourne were hoping for a Petracca and got a Petracca.

     

    The Barry Prendergast 'warning' comes to mind - never recruit on the basis of how you imagine a player might be if they change in the ways you hope they will.

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    40 minutes ago, Biffen said:

    Petracca could be the second greatest player of Italian heritage ever.

    3 .Jezza 

    Ukrainian...but enjoys pizza with grappa

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