2016 Player Review - # 8 Heritier Lumumba

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

The original Mr Biffen was a Biffin, not Biffen, I believe.

[Elwood 3184 1,268]

Didn't see Heritier at training today by the way.

[Redleg 38,038]

21 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Didn't see Heritier at training today by the way.

He may have been at " The Inner Earth" bookshop.

[monoccular 16,397]

On 16/12/2016 at 10:23 PM, Elwood 3184 said:

Didn't see Heritier at training today by the way.

 

23 hours ago, Redleg said:

He may have been at " The Inner Earth" bookshop.

Or at his solicitor, or looking for a new one. 

[Olgreybeard49 239]

On 12/16/2016 at 10:22 PM, Elwood 3184 said:

The original Mr Biffen was a Biffin, not Biffen, I believe.

Present participle Ray Biffing.

 

[In Harmes Way 7,613]

Pretty forthright words from PJ reported in the age this morning

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-demons-on-hunt-for-new-comajor-sponsor-20161214-gtb8mm.html

Can't see H back at the club based on these timeframes quoted for resolving the impasse. I had a sneaking suspicion that the club didn't want H at training as his mindset/attitude might distract the others, but I don't get that feeling reading this.

Hopefully it does get resolved before year end.

[Diamond_Jim 12,018]

Posted around six weeks ago on this thread that it was apparent (or at least likely) that H had played his last game.

At that time my thoughts were pay him out but make sure it is done in a time frame that does not stuff up our draft choices.

It is now apparent that he will go (when is the question) and that we will upgrade a rookie.

My question to those who follow the draft closely is assuming H had gone pre draft would we have chosen a player in the draft that we did not rookie anyway.

Secondly assuming we promote a rookie pre-season are we allowed to replace that rookie with another.

Many thanks

[Redleg 38,038]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Posted around six weeks ago on this thread that it was apparent (or at least likely) that H had played his last game.

At that time my thoughts were pay him out but make sure it is done in a time frame that does not stuff up our draft choices.

It is now apparent that he will go (when is the question) and that we will upgrade a rookie.

My question to those who follow the draft closely is assuming H had gone pre draft would we have chosen a player in the draft that we did not rookie anyway.

Secondly assuming we promote a rookie pre-season are we allowed to replace that rookie with another.

Many thanks

We can add a category B or C Rookie. 

[KingDingAling 3,622]

I will be happy to just not have this spud on our list. Mentally not up to AFL level footy IMO. Never rated him as a player either.

[red and blue forever 785]

if he is not turning up to training can we sack him for breach of contract.  he is obviously not doing as  directed by the club, and surely there is a clause in the players contracts to end them if the player is not playing ball.

[Redleg 38,038]

1 minute ago, red and blue forever said:

if he is not turning up to training can we sack him for breach of contract.  he is obviously not doing as  directed by the club, and surely there is a clause in the players contracts to end them if the player is not playing ball.

I would say he is doing what he has been told.

He has obviously had enough, as have we and Goody probably didn't want others being distracted with an unhappy, non committed, half hearted training sham of an effort.

[ManDee 7,093]

Keep in mind that he could have a training accident (like the last unseen incident) and another concussion, we don't want that.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I would say he is doing what he has been told.

He has obviously had enough, as have we and Goody probably didn't want others being distracted with an unhappy, non committed, half hearted training sham of an effort.

There must be something more to this. All through the his pre-season and at the start of 2016 we were getting reports of how great Harry was for our kids - helping them train and learn etc.

To come to this, a situation where the club may (I stress may) have said 'please don't show up', just reeks of a missing puzzle piece.

[Satyriconhome 10,010]

37 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

I will be happy to just not have this spud on our list. Mentally not up to AFL level footy IMO. Never rated him as a player either.

An All Australian Premiership player of 223 games, jeez what would he have been like if he was up to it

Just unfortunate that his time, like Dawes, has not turned out the way he or the club would have wanted it to.

I just want the club to sort it out so that it doesn't come back to haunt us in the future, do the best for both the club and H

Edited December 19, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[Diamond_Jim 12,018]

40 minutes ago, Redleg said:

We can add a category B or C Rookie. 

So we cannot select a category A rookie which as I understand it are those who have played in an AFL comp at any time in the last three years.

Perhaps not really a great outcome then

 

[Redleg 38,038]

31 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

So we cannot select a category A rookie which as I understand it are those who have played in an AFL comp at any time in the last three years.

Perhaps not really a great outcome then

 

The Rookie draft has come and gone. Category B and C Rookies are still available. I think we could take Allsop if we wanted to. Maybe they have their eyes on someone else or are happy to go in one rookie short.

[beelzebub 22,330]

In Mfc i trust. There's some method here.

The smokey of the decade coming up for sure

[Gator 16,921]

5 hours ago, small but forward said:

Pretty forthright words from PJ reported in the age this morning

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-demons-on-hunt-for-new-comajor-sponsor-20161214-gtb8mm.html

Can't see H back at the club based on these timeframes quoted for resolving the impasse. I had a sneaking suspicion that the club didn't want H at training as his mindset/attitude might distract the others, but I don't get that feeling reading this.

Hopefully it does get resolved before year end.

I don't think we do and nothing I've read from Jackson leads me to alter that view. 

[monoccular 16,397]

2 hours ago, red and blue forever said:

if he is not turning up to training can we sack him for breach of contract.  he is obviously not doing as  directed by the club, and surely there is a clause in the players contracts to end them if the player is not playing ball.

One would hope so but doesn't look likely 

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

An All Australian Premiership player of 223 games, jeez what would he have been like if he was up to it

Just unfortunate that his time, like Dawes, has not turned out the way he or the club would have wanted it to.

I just want the club to sort it out so that it doesn't come back to haunt us in the future, do the best for both the club and H

Dawes never stopped trying. Big difference. 

[Ozymandias Greenblerg 12]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-12-21/lumumba-retires-from-the-afl

[daisycutter 28,688]

just love all the double-talk. lol. do worry about the future of language but

[ManDee 7,093]

9 minutes ago, Ozymandias Greenblerg said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-12-21/lumumba-retires-from-the-afl

Interestingly written. Does not discuss any payout. The club reinforces its stance we have done everything we could and he leaves in a healthy condition of his own volition. 

 

Edit: but

Edited December 21, 2016 by ManDee

[Robot Devil 1,895]

[DeeSpencer 23,492]

Just now, ManDee said:

Interestingly written. Does not discuss any payout. The club reinforces its stance we have done everything we could and he leaves in a healthy condition of his own volition. 

If he has medical advice that says he can't play then he'd be entitled to some form of payout anyway. 

Speculating on the details probably won't help.

Regardless of whether he couldn't or wouldn't play we certainly didn't have any desire to keep him around so he's gone now.

[rjay 24,046]

On 15/12/2016 at 3:16 PM, rjay said:

Has he gone yet?

Yes...