Daw, Vickery or Holmes?

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,941]

The majority of people who are quick to knock Daw are the same people who have gone into bat for Grimes, Garland and Dawes over the years. 

 

[Every Game "64 6]

Hellfish is right - we do not have a ruck problem.

I think Goodwin will play Spencil and give Maxie more time in the forward line.

If we are in the hunt for players : Sloane and Wines at Adelaide and then Tom Lynch, a couple of Hawk small forwards. Heeney and Hanneberry from Atlantis

as well as Motlop, Jack Riewoldt and Fyffe.

Just the ones that come to mind, mind you although in RumourLand we are getting Hurley and Hibberd

[beelzebub 22,225]

I've no problem with Daw. Should I even suggest I was among the very earliest to bring him to Dlands attention all those years ago. 

He's stuffed if he stays at Nawth. Im just not sure how he would go with us now. He would for mine make the ideal 2ndfwd come pinch hitter ruck. 

He's very inconsistent and very underated.

Maybe an ideal Macca project perhaps ?

[jnrmac 19,077]

8 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

The majority of people who are quick to knock Daw are the same people who have gone into bat for Grimes, Garland and Dawes over the years. 

 

Who are you with the over inflated opinion?

[beelzebub 22,225]

As a metric Daw would eclipse Spencil...Just food for thought

Edited August 3, 2016 by beelzebub

[Winners at last 4,742]

Daw is an absolutely clueless footballer. He looks a million dollars but looks totally lost on a footy field.

Vickery is a total spud.

As for the other guy, can't really comment. Never heard of him.

 

[P-man 13,224]

12 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

The majority of people who are quick to knock Daw are the same people who have gone into bat for Grimes, Garland and Dawes over the years. 

 

This is an unbelievably stupid drive by not worthy of response, but I'll respond anyway given I'm assuming I'm one of the ones you're referring to as a defender of Grimes, who you have relentlessly and obsessively talked down.

No, I don't think Grimes has been best served by the club over his career, including and in particular this year. And yes I do maintain he is a better player than what he gets presented as on this forum.

I hope he gets another chance in 2017. He may not, as being let go by Melbounre is a difficult tag to shake, but he is an AFL standard player in my view with plenty of years left in him.

As an overall statement, if you are comparing what Jack Grimes has proven on the football field over his 100 games with what Majak Daw has proven, I have no words for you.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Daw needs proper mentoring and coaching. The raw talent is there. Nth have no idea what to do with him. 

[Adzman 2,085]

Would rather try and pluck a skinny 18yo kid in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft and see if they can cut it 3 years later.

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,941]

25 minutes ago, P-man said:

This is an unbelievably stupid drive by not worthy of response, but I'll respond anyway given I'm assuming I'm one of the ones you're referring to as a defender of Grimes, who you have relentlessly and obsessively talked down.

No, I don't think Grimes has been best served by the club over his career, including and in particular this year. And yes I do maintain he is a better player than what he gets presented as on this forum.

I hope he gets another chance in 2017. He may not, as being let go by Melbounre is a difficult tag to shake, but he is an AFL standard player in my view with plenty of years left in him.

As an overall statement, if you are comparing what Jack Grimes has proven on the football field over his 100 games with what Majak Daw has proven, I have no words for you.

There's nothing stupid about it.

I simply ask why all of the justifications thrown up over the years for the above mentioned aren't forwarded to Daw. Why doesn't he deserve this same luxury, because he doesn't play for us?

Like it or not Daw has potential. 

Im happy to wait until Daws career is over we compare them.

 

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Out of interest, how many clubs would have genuine competition for #1 ruckman. Not many off the top of my head. 

 

As for these 3, Vickery is frightened and no ruckman. Holmes rucked well against Gawn for half a NAB match, not sure what else he offers. Majak is the classic potentially maybe, I think he'd be in the same position at MFC as he is at North. Just not offering enough to push anyone out for a regular spot. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

You don't take Daw as a ruck, but a player who can ruck. There's a difference.

[Akum 2,660]

5 hours ago, Redleg said:

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This is the guy. Declan Kielty. Better than those three, and better than any other second-string ruck likely to be available.

Predominantly a tall forward who can ruck, such a rare commodity. 

If we don't pick him, someone else will.

[What 18,810]

Jake Spencer is better than all three of them.  In fact I reckon the Spencil is a bit underrated.

[samcantstandya 934]

7 hours ago, bingers said:

Daw is an absolutely clueless footballer. He looks a million dollars but looks totally lost on a footy field.

Vickery is a total spud.

As for the other guy, can't really comment. Never heard of him.

 

Looks like Tartan plays like Jane.

[samcantstandya 934]

2 hours ago, Akum said:

This is the guy. Declan Kielty. Better than those three, and better than any other second-string ruck likely to be available.

Predominantly a tall forward who can ruck, such a rare commodity. 

If we don't pick him, someone else will.

Maybe as a rookie

[monoccular 16,147]

9 hours ago, Left-Field said:

Considering our lack of ruck depth, I wondered, if you had the choice to bring either Majak Daw, Tyrone Vickery or Jason Holmes to our club, who would you choose?

Trump or Clinton?

9 hours ago, Hellfish said:

I don't recall us having a ruck problem this year.

Our ruck problem is that Spencer is languishing at Casey despite being in pretty consistently  good form and could be justified in seeking greener pastures.......whilst we continue to put games into a tall KPP forward who can't mark, kicks few goals, won't or can't ruck ..... oh but does bring the ball to ground.  

[CBDees 3,162]

10 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I'd choose... none.

Jack Fitzpatrick from Hawthorn.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

9 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

The majority of people who are quick to knock Daw are the same people who have gone into bat for Grimes, Garland and Dawes over the years. 

 

Yes, but it's one thing to love your own problem children and another altogether to adopt someone else's.

Of all the recycled players we have recruited recently, pretty much the only ones we have got any value out of were already of established pedigree, with perhaps the only exception being Ben Ken.  I'm sure I'll get hounded down for this, but I'd actually include Chris Dawes in the group of hand me downs that 'has' been useful for us.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

59 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Trump or Clinton?

Our ruck problem is that Spencer is languishing at Casey despite being in pretty consistently  good form and could be justified in seeking greener pastures.......whilst we continue to put games into a tall KPP forward who can't mark, kicks few goals, won't or can't ruck ..... oh but does bring the ball to ground.  

Before seening your post, I suggested that we should play Spencer for Dawes against Hawthorn for these reasons.  I also don't think it's good for Max's longevity for him to [censored] himself every week, usually against two opposition talls/rucks.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

9 hours ago, Adzman said:

Would rather try and pluck a skinny 18yo kid in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft and see if they can cut it 3 years later.

Which is pretty much what we have done the past several drafts with the two Kings and perhaps Hullet to a small extent.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[MadAsHell 4,088]

32 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Which is pretty much what we have done the past several drafts with the two Kings and perhaps Hullet to a small extent.

I know it was only about 20 minutes of football to go off. 

But for a first year 18 year old ruckman, I did like the look of Mitch King before he did his ACL in that Round 1 VFL match.  Competed well and had taken a nice contested mark on the Grandstand side of the ground.

I hold out hope.

Edited August 3, 2016 by AngryAtCasey

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Trump or Clinton?

Our ruck problem is that Spencer is languishing at Casey despite being in pretty consistently  good form and could be justified in seeking greener pastures.......whilst we continue to put games into a tall KPP forward who can't mark, kicks few goals, won't or can't ruck ..... oh but does bring the ball to ground.  

Spencer just signed a 2 year deal, going no where

today footy only has room for one specialist ruckman, Spencer is a ready made replacement for Gawn if he goes down.

Dawes being no good isn't exactly a ruck problem

[dazzledavey36 48,900]

10 hours ago, Adzman said:

Would rather try and pluck a skinny 18yo kid in the 3rd or 4th round of the draft and see if they can cut it 3 years later.

So you want another Max King now.

Gotcha..

[P-man 13,224]

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yes, but it's one thing to love your own problem children and another altogether to adopt someone else's.

Of all the recycled players we have recruited recently, pretty much the only ones we have got any value out of were already of established pedigree, with perhaps the only exception being Ben Ken.  I'm sure I'll get hounded down for this, but I'd actually include Chris Dawes in the group of hand me downs that 'has' been useful for us.

Agree wth the first part. Not the second. We should be able to give half likes

I think your expectations were set too high if you think we haven't gotten value out of Bugg.

Edited August 3, 2016 by P-man