The Jesse Hogan Panic Room - all contract talk here

[beelzebub 23,200]

Im not rewriting history. That's laughable. So is introducing strawman arguments. 

No bigger stage than a GF. 

Be interesting to compare , should Hogan get to play finals, irrespective for whom.

A different tempo and pressure than h & a 

 

[Flamingdees 227]

Is this becoming the Boyd thread. 

[old dee 23,505]

You make your name in Grand Finals.

To everyone except MFC supporters Boyd in a $million player who was instrumental in helping his side win a GF the first for 60+ years.

It matters not what Hogan has done Boyd is the top dog.

At this point it would appear Boyd has many more finals games to go.

Jessie has yet to play in one and probably won't till at least 2018 let alone be instrumental in winning a GF.

Boyd has the Chocolates at this point IMO. 

[Redleg 40,225]

12 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

By my reckoning, Redleg, it's been a string of finals culminating in a great Grand Final performance.

Western Bulldogs - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	15 (11-0-4)			82	49	98	180	13	12	127	39	3	27	23	33	24	13		100	89	18	16	28		2
24	Fremantle	1	W	17	7	6	3	10	1		5	3			1	3	1	1		4	7	1	3				79
25	St Kilda	2	W	17	7	3	4	11	3	1	4			1		3	3	2		5	5	1	1				78
26	Hawthorn	3	L	17	8	4	6	14	1	2	5	1		2	1	4		2		5	9	1	2	1			71
27	Carlton	4	W	17	5	1	2	7		1	4	5		2		4	2	2		4	3			2			82
28	Gold Coast	17	W	17	5	3	6	11	1	1	8	4		1	1	1	2			6	5	2	1				86
29	St Kilda	18	L	17	4	1	4	8		1	13	1	1	1		2	2	1		6	3		1	2			86
30	Geelong	19	L	17	10	4	8	18	3		6	1	1	2	3	3	5	1		9	10		2	1			93
31	North Melbourne	20	W	17	2	1	2	4			5	4				2		1		2	2	1		3			90
32	Collingwood	21	W	17	3	2	10	13			9	5		2	2	2	2	1		9	4	1					88
33	Essendon	22	W	17	6	6	7	13	1	1	13	2		1	1	2	2	1		7	7	3	1	3		1	87
34	Fremantle	23	L	17	4		7	11			5	1		3	4	2	3			8	4			1			71
35	West Coast	EF	W	17	6	5	8	14		2	8	5		4	2		1			8	7	2	2	6		1	86
36	Hawthorn	SF	W	17	3	4	15	18		1	7	5			3					9	11		1	5			75
37	Greater Western Sydney	PF	W	17	2	1	12	14			21	2	1	4	5	3	1	1		9	6			3			90
38	Sydney	GF	W	17	10	8	4	14	3	2	14			4		2				9	6	6	2	1			86

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Pity the stats don't support you.

He is a 200cm forward/ruckman on $1m plus a year.

No goals in first 3 finals.

3.5 kicks ave in first 3 finals. 3 marks ave in first 3 finals. 15 disposals in first 3 finals ( not bad )

Hitouts 12 ave in first 3 finals.

Anyway he has a medallion in his best game.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,768]

Can we go back to the days of having two Hogan threads? One for his contract and another for all other Hogan (or should that be Boyd) stuff. The other thread was called "The Incredible Hulk: Jesse Hogan" but has disappeared into oblivion.

Would make things easier for those that come into this thread with no interest in reading through inane debates and are just anxious about Hogan re-signing or being traded soon. I can't be the only one in that boat.

[Ted Lasso 18,787]

Just now, old dee said:

You make your name in Grand Finals.

To everyone except MFC supporters Boyd in a $million player who was instrumental in helping his side win a GF the first for 60+ years.

It matters not what Hogan has done Boyd is the top dog.

At this point it would appear Boyd has many more finals games to go.

Jessie has yet to play in one and probably won't till at least 2018 let alone be instrumental in winning a GF.

Boyd has the Chocolates at this point IMO. 

Mathew Pavlich hasn't made his name in a winning grand final, is Boyd better than him also? 

what about Nick Rewoldt?

he played a great game but surely common sense says that you judge a player on a body of work, not just 1 or 2 games

[Flamingdees 227]

1 minute ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Can we go back to the days of having two Hogan threads? One for his contract and another for all other Hogan (or should that be Boyd) stuff. The other thread was called "The Incredible Hulk: Jesse Hogan" but has disappeared into oblivion.

Would make things easier for those that come into this thread with no interest in reading through inane debates and are just anxious about Hogan re-signing or being traded soon. I can't be the only one in that boat.

Agree SS. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,246]

3 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Can we go back to the days of having two Hogan threads? One for his contract and another for all other Hogan (or should that be Boyd) stuff. The other thread was called "The Incredible Hulk: Jesse Hogan" but has disappeared into oblivion.

Would make things easier for those that come into this thread with no interest in reading through inane debates and are just anxious about Hogan re-signing or being traded soon. I can't be the only one in that boat.

Actually, there's a Hogan thread on the main board as part of our 2016 Season Review series. Hogan was first up because of his jumper number.

[Redleg 40,225]

Here are the stats of Boyd and Jesse for this year for those who like to compare. Have fun analyzing.

Western Bulldogs - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	15 (11-0-4)			82	49	98	180	13	12	127	39	3	27	23	33	24	13		100	89	18	16	28		2
24	Fremantle	1	W	17	7	6	3	10	1		5	3			1	3	1	1		4	7	1	3				79
25	St Kilda	2	W	17	7	3	4	11	3	1	4			1		3	3	2		5	5	1	1				78
26	Hawthorn	3	L	17	8	4	6	14	1	2	5	1		2	1	4		2		5	9	1	2	1			71
27	Carlton	4	W	17	5	1	2	7		1	4	5		2		4	2	2		4	3			2			82
28	Gold Coast	17	W	17	5	3	6	11	1	1	8	4		1	1	1	2			6	5	2	1				86
29	St Kilda	18	L	17	4	1	4	8		1	13	1	1	1		2	2	1		6	3		1	2			86
30	Geelong	19	L	17	10	4	8	18	3		6	1	1	2	3	3	5	1		9	10		2	1			93
31	North Melbourne	20	W	17	2	1	2	4			5	4				2		1		2	2	1		3			90
32	Collingwood	21	W	17	3	2	10	13			9	5		2	2	2	2	1		9	4	1					88
33	Essendon	22	W	17	6	6	7	13	1	1	13	2		1	1	2	2	1		7	7	3	1	3		1	87
34	Fremantle	23	L	17	4		7	11			5	1		3	4	2	3			8	4			1			71
35	West Coast	EF	W	17	6	5	8	14		2	8	5		4	2		1			8	7	2	2	6		1	86
36	Hawthorn	SF	W	17	3	4	15	18		1	7	5			3					9	11		1	5			75
37	Greater Western Sydney	PF	W	17	2	1	12	14			21	2	1	4	5	3	1	1		9	6			3			90
38	Sydney	GF	W	17	10	8	4	14	3	2	14			4		2				9	6	6	2	1			86

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Interesting stat and typical of the Bulldogs, about 13.5% of Boyd's possessions come from the umpires while about 5.5% of Jesse's do. Put even simpler, 1 in 7 of Boyd's possessions is a free kick while 1 in 19 of Jesse's is. Maybe if Jesse was a Bulldog he would have a lot more goals and possessions.

Melbourne - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	21 (9-0-12)			206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	18
21	Greater Western Sydney	1	W	1	14	6	3	17	3			3	1	6		4	3			8	10	1	1	2	1		91
22	Essendon	2	L	1	5	4	3	8	1	1		1	1			2		1		3	5	2	3	1		1	91
23	North Melbourne	3	L	1	10	7	9	19	3	2		2	1	3	1	1				7	13	2	3	5		2	92
24	Collingwood	4	W	1	12	9	6	18	2	2			1	5		1				5	13	2	2	3			88
25	Richmond	5	W	1	13	10	3	16		2				2		3	1			6	10	2	3	2			92
26	St Kilda	6	L	1	11	8	5	16	7	1		2		1		3	3	1	2	12	4	5	6	1			95
27	Gold Coast	7	W	1	8	5	1	9	1	3		4	1	1		3	1	2		1	6		3				87
28	Western Bulldogs	8	L	1	10	9	7	17	1	3				3						10	7	5	5	2		3	98
29	Brisbane Lions	9	W	1	13	7	7	20	5	1				5			1		3	8	12	2	3		2	1	84
30	Port Adelaide	10	L	1	13	11	3	16	3	4		1		2		2		1		7	9	5	7				94
31	Hawthorn	11	L	1	5	5	3	8	1							1	1			5	7		1	2		2	92
32	Collingwood	12	W	1	7	6	12	19	3		1	3		1		2	2	1		8	12	3	2				90
33	Sydney	13	L	1	11	5	7	18	1		2	2	2	1		1				8	10		2	1			89
34	Adelaide	15	L	1	11	3	7	18	3	1		2		1		4	4			7	10		2	1		1	91
35	Fremantle	16	W	1	14	12	6	20	4	2	1	5		2		2	1	1	1	4	16	2	4	2			89
36	St Kilda	17	L	1	7	5	3	10	1	2			1	1		2	1	1		3	6	2	2				86
37	West Coast	18	L	1	7	5	6	13		1		1		2		2				6	7	2	1	1			93
38	Gold Coast	19	W	1	10	9	2	12		2		1		2		1				2	9	1	3			1	82
39	Port Adelaide	21	W	1	7	6	2	9		2				1		2				4	5	2	3				88
40	Carlton	22	L	1	11	14	7	18	1	3				5		1				5	13	5	5	1		1	93
41	Geelong	23	L	1	7	3	2	9	1	1		2		3		2	1	2		4	5		2				85

Edited October 2, 2016 by Redleg

[old dee 23,505]

Just now, Abe said:

Mathew Pavlich hasn't made his name in a winning grand final, is Boyd better than him also? 

what about Nick Rewoldt?

he played a great game but surely common sense says that you judge a player on a body of work, not just 1 or 2 games

Sadly the general football public grade you according to the winning games you play in and your contribution.

Nothing that Jessie has played in comes close to the Game yesterday.As I said he has the chocolates and Jessie has a lot of "if"

[Redleg 40,225]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sadly the general football public grade you according to the winning games you play in and your contribution.

Nothing that Jessie has played in comes close to the Game yesterday.As I said he has the chocolates and Jessie has a lot of "if"

On that basis, Cowan of Geelong is one of the greatest players to have ever played the game.

[Satyriconhome 10,340]

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sadly the general football public grade you according to the winning games you play in and your contribution.

Nothing that Jessie has played in comes close to the Game yesterday.As I said he has the chocolates and Jessie has a lot of "if"

OD, personally I find this comparison nonsense boring and doesn't belong on here, but I think you will find the 'general public' regards great players as players who perform at a very high standard consistently, agreed some of them may win more games than other players including finals, but a lot don't, eg Harvey and Riewoldt from Saints

Boyd has now set his bar, let's see if he can  replicate it on a consistent basis

Same with Jesse

[buck_nekkid 5,819]

I raised Boyd because he can kick from 50, which is something Hogan struggles with.

as people are talking about contract size and his importance to the team, it was a point of difference that Boyd has over Hogan. We know what Boyd is paid.  Hogans value for mine would double if he could finish off from outside the arc.

I see them as very different players.

looking forward to JH's situation being resolved, and everyone getting on.  

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Who gives a stuff?  Seriously.  Boyd plays one decent game and we resort to analysing stats and debating who is better.  What in God's name is the point?

Someone wake me up when a decision is made.  This thread is becoming a joke, if it hadn't become one already.

[Return to Glory 8,250]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Here are the stats of Boyd and Jesse for this year for those who like to compare. Have fun analyzing.

Western Bulldogs - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	15 (11-0-4)			82	49	98	180	13	12	127	39	3	27	23	33	24	13		100	89	18	16	28		2
24	Fremantle	1	W	17	7	6	3	10	1		5	3			1	3	1	1		4	7	1	3				79
25	St Kilda	2	W	17	7	3	4	11	3	1	4			1		3	3	2		5	5	1	1				78
26	Hawthorn	3	L	17	8	4	6	14	1	2	5	1		2	1	4		2		5	9	1	2	1			71
27	Carlton	4	W	17	5	1	2	7		1	4	5		2		4	2	2		4	3			2			82
28	Gold Coast	17	W	17	5	3	6	11	1	1	8	4		1	1	1	2			6	5	2	1				86
29	St Kilda	18	L	17	4	1	4	8		1	13	1	1	1		2	2	1		6	3		1	2			86
30	Geelong	19	L	17	10	4	8	18	3		6	1	1	2	3	3	5	1		9	10		2	1			93
31	North Melbourne	20	W	17	2	1	2	4			5	4				2		1		2	2	1		3			90
32	Collingwood	21	W	17	3	2	10	13			9	5		2	2	2	2	1		9	4	1					88
33	Essendon	22	W	17	6	6	7	13	1	1	13	2		1	1	2	2	1		7	7	3	1	3		1	87
34	Fremantle	23	L	17	4		7	11			5	1		3	4	2	3			8	4			1			71
35	West Coast	EF	W	17	6	5	8	14		2	8	5		4	2		1			8	7	2	2	6		1	86
36	Hawthorn	SF	W	17	3	4	15	18		1	7	5			3					9	11		1	5			75
37	Greater Western Sydney	PF	W	17	2	1	12	14			21	2	1	4	5	3	1	1		9	6			3			90
38	Sydney	GF	W	17	10	8	4	14	3	2	14			4		2				9	6	6	2	1			86

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Interesting stat and typical of the Bulldogs, about 13.5% of Boyd's possessions come from the umpires while about 5.5% of Jesse's do. Put even simpler, 1 in 7 of Boyd's possessions is a free kick while 1 in 19 of Jesse's is. Maybe if Jesse was a Bulldog he would have a lot more goals and possessions.

Melbourne - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	21 (9-0-12)			206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	18
21	Greater Western Sydney	1	W	1	14	6	3	17	3			3	1	6		4	3			8	10	1	1	2	1		91
22	Essendon	2	L	1	5	4	3	8	1	1		1	1			2		1		3	5	2	3	1		1	91
23	North Melbourne	3	L	1	10	7	9	19	3	2		2	1	3	1	1				7	13	2	3	5		2	92
24	Collingwood	4	W	1	12	9	6	18	2	2			1	5		1				5	13	2	2	3			88
25	Richmond	5	W	1	13	10	3	16		2				2		3	1			6	10	2	3	2			92
26	St Kilda	6	L	1	11	8	5	16	7	1		2		1		3	3	1	2	12	4	5	6	1			95
27	Gold Coast	7	W	1	8	5	1	9	1	3		4	1	1		3	1	2		1	6		3				87
28	Western Bulldogs	8	L	1	10	9	7	17	1	3				3						10	7	5	5	2		3	98
29	Brisbane Lions	9	W	1	13	7	7	20	5	1				5			1		3	8	12	2	3		2	1	84
30	Port Adelaide	10	L	1	13	11	3	16	3	4		1		2		2		1		7	9	5	7				94
31	Hawthorn	11	L	1	5	5	3	8	1							1	1			5	7		1	2		2	92
32	Collingwood	12	W	1	7	6	12	19	3		1	3		1		2	2	1		8	12	3	2				90
33	Sydney	13	L	1	11	5	7	18	1		2	2	2	1		1				8	10		2	1			89
34	Adelaide	15	L	1	11	3	7	18	3	1		2		1		4	4			7	10		2	1		1	91
35	Fremantle	16	W	1	14	12	6	20	4	2	1	5		2		2	1	1	1	4	16	2	4	2			89
36	St Kilda	17	L	1	7	5	3	10	1	2			1	1		2	1	1		3	6	2	2				86
37	West Coast	18	L	1	7	5	6	13		1		1		2		2				6	7	2	1	1			93
38	Gold Coast	19	W	1	10	9	2	12		2		1		2		1				2	9	1	3			1	82
39	Port Adelaide	21	W	1	7	6	2	9		2				1		2				4	5	2	3				88
40	Carlton	22	L	1	11	14	7	18	1	3				5		1				5	13	5	5	1		1	93
41	Geelong	23	L	1	7	3	2	9	1	1		2		3		2	1	2		4	5		2				85

Redleg, I don't need to read his H & A stats to know that he was an absolute gun in the finals. I watched every final he played. This is not to say that Hogan can't do the same (I truly believe he can) but Boyd's been a revelation come finals time. The GF was not a one off. And I don't particularly like him.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Return to Glory

[What 18,810]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Here are the stats of Boyd and Jesse for this year for those who like to compare. Have fun analyzing.

Western Bulldogs - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	15 (11-0-4)			82	49	98	180	13	12	127	39	3	27	23	33	24	13		100	89	18	16	28		2
24	Fremantle	1	W	17	7	6	3	10	1		5	3			1	3	1	1		4	7	1	3				79
25	St Kilda	2	W	17	7	3	4	11	3	1	4			1		3	3	2		5	5	1	1				78
26	Hawthorn	3	L	17	8	4	6	14	1	2	5	1		2	1	4		2		5	9	1	2	1			71
27	Carlton	4	W	17	5	1	2	7		1	4	5		2		4	2	2		4	3			2			82
28	Gold Coast	17	W	17	5	3	6	11	1	1	8	4		1	1	1	2			6	5	2	1				86
29	St Kilda	18	L	17	4	1	4	8		1	13	1	1	1		2	2	1		6	3		1	2			86
30	Geelong	19	L	17	10	4	8	18	3		6	1	1	2	3	3	5	1		9	10		2	1			93
31	North Melbourne	20	W	17	2	1	2	4			5	4				2		1		2	2	1		3			90
32	Collingwood	21	W	17	3	2	10	13			9	5		2	2	2	2	1		9	4	1					88
33	Essendon	22	W	17	6	6	7	13	1	1	13	2		1	1	2	2	1		7	7	3	1	3		1	87
34	Fremantle	23	L	17	4		7	11			5	1		3	4	2	3			8	4			1			71
35	West Coast	EF	W	17	6	5	8	14		2	8	5		4	2		1			8	7	2	2	6		1	86
36	Hawthorn	SF	W	17	3	4	15	18		1	7	5			3					9	11		1	5			75
37	Greater Western Sydney	PF	W	17	2	1	12	14			21	2	1	4	5	3	1	1		9	6			3			90
38	Sydney	GF	W	17	10	8	4	14	3	2	14			4		2				9	6	6	2	1			86

[Top]

Interesting stat and typical of the Bulldogs, about 13.5% of Boyd's possessions come from the umpires while about 5.5% of Jesse's do. Put even simpler, 1 in 7 of Boyd's possessions is a free kick while 1 in 19 of Jesse's is. Maybe if Jesse was a Bulldog he would have a lot more goals and possessions.

Melbourne - 2016
Gm	Opponent	Rd	R	#	KI	MK	HB	DI	GL	BH	HO	TK	RB	IF	CL	CG	FF	FA	BR	CP	UP	CM	MI	1%	BO	GA	%P
	Totals	21 (9-0-12)			206	149	104	310	41	33	4	29	8	47	1	39	19	10	6	123	18
21	Greater Western Sydney	1	W	1	14	6	3	17	3			3	1	6		4	3			8	10	1	1	2	1		91
22	Essendon	2	L	1	5	4	3	8	1	1		1	1			2		1		3	5	2	3	1		1	91
23	North Melbourne	3	L	1	10	7	9	19	3	2		2	1	3	1	1				7	13	2	3	5		2	92
24	Collingwood	4	W	1	12	9	6	18	2	2			1	5		1				5	13	2	2	3			88
25	Richmond	5	W	1	13	10	3	16		2				2		3	1			6	10	2	3	2			92
26	St Kilda	6	L	1	11	8	5	16	7	1		2		1		3	3	1	2	12	4	5	6	1			95
27	Gold Coast	7	W	1	8	5	1	9	1	3		4	1	1		3	1	2		1	6		3				87
28	Western Bulldogs	8	L	1	10	9	7	17	1	3				3						10	7	5	5	2		3	98
29	Brisbane Lions	9	W	1	13	7	7	20	5	1				5			1		3	8	12	2	3		2	1	84
30	Port Adelaide	10	L	1	13	11	3	16	3	4		1		2		2		1		7	9	5	7				94
31	Hawthorn	11	L	1	5	5	3	8	1							1	1			5	7		1	2		2	92
32	Collingwood	12	W	1	7	6	12	19	3		1	3		1		2	2	1		8	12	3	2				90
33	Sydney	13	L	1	11	5	7	18	1		2	2	2	1		1				8	10		2	1			89
34	Adelaide	15	L	1	11	3	7	18	3	1		2		1		4	4			7	10		2	1		1	91
35	Fremantle	16	W	1	14	12	6	20	4	2	1	5		2		2	1	1	1	4	16	2	4	2			89
36	St Kilda	17	L	1	7	5	3	10	1	2			1	1		2	1	1		3	6	2	2				86
37	West Coast	18	L	1	7	5	6	13		1		1		2		2				6	7	2	1	1			93
38	Gold Coast	19	W	1	10	9	2	12		2		1		2		1				2	9	1	3			1	82
39	Port Adelaide	21	W	1	7	6	2	9		2				1		2				4	5	2	3				88
40	Carlton	22	L	1	11	14	7	18	1	3				5		1				5	13	5	5	1		1	93
41	Geelong	23	L	1	7	3	2	9	1	1		2		3		2	1	2		4	5		2				85

19+ possession games

Hogan - 4   Boyd -  0

9+ mark games

Hogan - 7  Boyd  -  0

3+ goal games

Hogan - 8   Boyd  -  3

4+ goal games

Hogan - 3   Boyd  -  0

5+ Inside 50 games

Hogan - 4    Boyd  -  0

5+ Contested marks games

Hogan - 4   Boyd - 1

 

[John Crow Batty 8,787]

Premiership medallion. Hogan 0, Boyd 1.

[Radar Detector 1,347]

Steven Armstrong > Robbie Flower

So many idiots.

[Redleg 40,225]

8 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Premiership medallion. Hogan 0, Boyd 1.

And that is all Hogan's fault and all Boyd's credit.

Do you think if Jesse was a Bulldog, he might have a medallion today?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

8 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Premiership medallion. Hogan 0, Boyd 1.

Superb posting, Captain Obvious.

Keep on trolling.

[Redleg 40,225]

26 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Redleg, I don't need to read his H & A stats to know that he was an absolute gun in the finals. I watched every final he played. This is not to say that Hogan can't do the same (I truly believe he can) but Boyd's been a revelation come finals time. The GF was not a one off. And I don't particularly like him.

Actually they included his finals stats as well.

Well we can agree to disagree on whether Boyd was an absolute gun in the finals.

I don't think he was.

I think he played a great game in the GF.

[John Crow Batty 8,787]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Superb posting, Captain Obvious.

Keep on trolling.

Hogan's stats in our two best performances for 2015 and 2016 are........

Edited October 2, 2016 by america de cali

[nutbean 8,838]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

You make your name in Grand Finals.

To everyone except MFC supporters Boyd in a $million player who was instrumental in helping his side win a GF the first for 60+ years.

It matters not what Hogan has done Boyd is the top dog.

At this point it would appear Boyd has many more finals games to go.

Jessie has yet to play in one and probably won't till at least 2018 let alone be instrumental in winning a GF.

Boyd has the Chocolates at this point IMO. 

Couldn't disagree more.

I thought Boyd was great yesterday and he did it on the biggest day of the football calendar. 

If you want to argue who has accomplished more - no brainer - footy is a team game and there is no higher prize than a premiership.

If you want to argue who has been the better player over the course of their short careers - it is also a no brainer in my opinion - Hogan. 

I congratulate Boyd on a fantastic game but up until the final series he had been very ordinary with many pundits questioning him and one even suggesting he renegotiate his contract for less money as it was affecting him. He played a serviceable final series up unto the GF and played an absolute pearler in the big one This might be Tom Hawkins revisited - a break out game leading to a prosperous career - however i am not going to revise what has been, on balance, a fairly poor return up until yesterday. 

Edited October 2, 2016 by nutbean

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Hogan's stats in our two best games for 2015 and 2016 are........

I've never seen someone actively campaign against a player like this before.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

And if we're going by 'stats', then it's clear Hogan is on top.  130 more touches, 100 more marks, 27 more goals... the list goes on.  

I do like how we forget that Boyd stunk it up all year because he played one good game in the finals.  He was poor, at best, all year up until 24 hours ago.

 

[Little Goffy 14,041]

Boyd at $1mil, versus Griffen (or equivalent trade value) and pick 6.

I wouldn't say it was 'no Boyd no premiership'. Especially given the Dogs recent recruiting performance. And indeed, just on the value of pick 6, the story is they were looking at either Peter Wright or Jake Lever, both of whom have outperformed Boyd by a respectable margin. Reference

Would we be happy enough with Hogan = equivalent of Ryan Griffen + Pick 6? Would we probably work out with a better list position on paper in that event?

Probably.

And yet, I'd rather Hogan choose to stay and I'd rather the team hold together to build something special.