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We're TWO games into a 22 round season - we've won one against a club most had us pegged to lose to (GWS) and lost one against a club most had us pegged to beat (Essendon).

 

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10 minutes ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

I was

Then you would have seen a lot worse than last Saturday.

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5 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

What I don't get is that Geelong has a great win over the Hawks and get smashed by GWS.....a team we beat just one week before, a team that many think will be top 8.   So what does that say about Geelong?     Does it mean that they had a let down?     Does that mean they are no good?     Just 1 week later?

Ess had a big day, with the march to the G, all their past hero's present and hit the ground running.   We weren't.    We learn and get on with next week.

The papers will move on to this weeks losers and put the boot in to whoever does not play well.   

It's pretty easy to get 'Bossdog', their win/loss record over the last 8 or so years just about compares to our loss/win...

They have credits in the bank, we don't and we deserve to be smashed for last weeks performance...

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1 minute ago, Bossdog said:

Then you would have seen a lot worse than last Saturday.

I was there and went to about 10 games a season. We were bad but no where as bad as the past decade and we usually won the games we were expected to win especially at the G. 

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1 minute ago, Bossdog said:

Then you would have seen a lot worse than last Saturday.

I've seen some shocking losses BD by some crap teams, the 200 point loss to Fitzroy was horrid but we had an awful team that still tried. I have seen alot bigger losses than the one against the bombers, but this was without a doubt one of the most gutless performances i have seen from a Melbourne team

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12 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Exactly

We're TWO games into a 22 round season - we've won one against a club most had us pegged to lose to (GWS) and lost one against a club most had us pegged to beat (Essendon).

 

Your point being that we still can't win games we're expected to

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8 minutes ago, loges said:

Your point being that we still can't win games we're expected to

... and that we can win games we're not expected to. 

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21 minutes ago, rjay said:

It's pretty easy to get 'Bossdog', their win/loss record over the last 8 or so years just about compares to our loss/win...

They have credits in the bank, we don't and we deserve to be smashed for last weeks performance...

How can this team, most of whom were not here "over the last 8 or so years" be held accountable for the lack of "credits" teams of that period generated? 

Hogan from his 22 games? Oliver from his 1? Brayshaw from his... 

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The great frustration I felt with last week's result was that we'd [censored] away a golden opportunity.

How often in the past decade of ineptitude have we been presented with a "gimme game" like that?

(Un)fortunately I couldn't make it to the game. Essendon, to their credit, may've played well but the disparity in key stats suggests that our effort simply wasn't there. If we hadn't have been playing a top up side, the margin probably would've been 100+ points. 

I wasn't bullish about our prospects this year. I was hoping for a couple more wins and increased competitiveness. However, we should be at the stage where we can belt a side like Essendon. 

Bitterly disappointed.

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31 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

What I don't get is that Geelong has a great win over the Hawks and get smashed by GWS.....a team we beat just one week before, a team that many think will be top 8.   So what does that say about Geelong?     Does it mean that they had a let down?     Does that mean they are no good?     Just 1 week later?

Ess had a big day, with the march to the G, all their past hero's present and hit the ground running.   We weren't.    We learn and get on with next week.

The papers will move on to this weeks losers and put the boot in to whoever does not play well.   

As I said, it's more about the different situations for Melbourne and Essendon. They are unique and have no bearing on GWS and Geelong.

For a thrown together team to have more unity, pride and synergy than a team that's meant to be making finals this year (according to it's CEO) is an absolute disgrace, and so typical of Melbourne's culture that it just reinforces the "irrelevant" tag.

 

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After the horror loss re essendon I have calmed down and realised its way too early to make any assumptions. Perhaps the dons will beat port. Perhaps we willl bounce back against North. Clearly something went wrong last week with poor, poor efforts by ten players. They were not in it mentally and did look tired.the next 2 games will shed more light on it all. We have some wonderful players on our list so we will have to just wait and see what they do. Good to see roos dropping garland. Kent and pederson may follow him. Lets not reward non effort like we used too. Keep the dream alive and dig deep to beat nm boys. Please.

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Denham is shooting from the hip as he normally does but the general sentiment is fair. It was a disastrous performance and a massive step back from where the club should be and wants to be. 

That said, where he is most unfair is actually in relation to Essendon when he describes them as "the worst team in the AFL for a long time barring Gold Coast and GWS introduction years. The worst team in the AFL since Fitzroy.."

Firstly, the season is only two rounds in so the basis for this description in terms of performance, disregarding NAB Cup, is very minimal. Of the first two games, Essendon have won one.

Secondly, as one of the callers rightly points out, there were only 4 top ups that played on the weekend and they are more than handy players in the likes of Kelly and Stokes. It's all very well to say that Essendon have lost 12 players but only half of them were actually best 22. Denham dismissed this as giving excuses but he's wrong. It's a valid point.

Essendon may have been drastically underestimated going into the season. Or they may not win another game. We simply don't know yet. Certainly Melbourne should have won the game, but Essendon's performance shouldn't be overlooked. They did not look a terrible side by any means and it will be interesting to see how they go in the coming weeks. It may or may not be their best performance of the year but on that evidence, it won't be their only win.

It's funny when listening to KB and Denham, KB accuses Denham of hating Melbourne, but you can hear the frustration in Denham's voice when talking about Melbourne. He almost has the angst of a supporter. KB on the other hand seems far more dismissive. Of the two gentlemen, I know who is a lot less keen to see Melbourne succeed, and it ain't Denham.

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17 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

... and that we can win games we're not expected to. 

Which doesn't get us anywhere because they just cancel each other out

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Yep was great fronting up to work Monday facing work mates wearing Essendon scarfs... The worst part was they where simply saying "It's Only MELBOURNE" let's not get to excited. Right at this point in time we are " Insignificant". Only pride in the jumper & fighting WINS can change the perception.

 

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3 hours ago, H_T said:

This description^ is exactly how I and many supporters felt at the G about the team and club. The erosion in confidence was significant; dare I say it damaging. One of a basket case. It could effectively undo some great work.

It has arguably cost the club $400K in membership drive according to some - and I'm inclined to agree. Not much can be done now, what's done is done.... Unless.....

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May the the next 2-3 weeks be SIGNIFICANT performances and wins! Leaders need to recognise, stand up, deliver and collectively want to strive for the ultimate in football. It's not just about being competitive - it's about excelling in the competition.

 

In order to gain the trust of the members/supporters, win back some of those lost lapsed members and rebuild any confidence in the club whatsoever they have to win the next 3-4 games or at the very least put in a good showing this week and then win the next 3 following that against Pies, Tigers, Saints. There's no reason we can't other than above the shoulders and in the coaches box.

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3 hours ago, PaulRB said:

He's having an opportunistic cheap shot at a young team after a surprise loss.

To wrap his"analysis" up in the headline "Insignificant" is simply a lazy way to catch eyeballs.

Many football commentators are resorting to sensationalism to grab attention, the crap about Hogan this week, the "season defining loss" drivel that Denham is spouting, blah,.. blah,.. blahh Its just self serving media crud from overpaid boofheads to obsessive fans who take every word spoken about their club in the media as relevant in some way to the footy team.

Maybe - but it's up to the team to prove them wrong. Our actions as a club and team will determine whether they're on the money or just spouting [censored] at an easy target.

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             Was  at  the  game  last  saturday,  we  were  lazy, spiritless  and  dumb, that  I  can  take  because  we  were. But  to  have  experts  rave  on  about  the  baby  bombers

            Please  take  a  look  at  the  facts  drawn  from  the  footy  record.

            Druggies  av  age   26.7        Melb.      24.5

                            av. games  84                       67.5

           Those  stats  shouldn't   excuse  the  pathetic  effort, but  could  somebody  please  check  their  statements,  and  at  least  try  to  be  accurate. . 

           PS    Hogan  has  kicked  1  more  goal  this  year  than  Daniher.

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Got this email from the club half hour ago. Thanks but no need for free beer, just the win will do. Following this club makes me drink too much already.

http://view.tmclient.ticketmaster.com/?qs=3b9659fd503b73c3624fb2035d22b5cd46629e454589e902b09f59c8c163bfa81e977694f85c3634e797193c17c2c395ba6347b4b1ca71631933da99053ac2d78247f0ecb81e3966

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