Lethal on Melbourne & Hogan

[TGR 1,367]

This guy gets it right more often than not.  We all remember Watts' first game and the comments he made to much angst from most here and on 'ology.  Remember H's interview?

 

After the Essendon loss, Matthews pointed to our lack of leg speed as a big issue; and suggests we have focussed too heavily on getting in tougher, albeit slower inside mids.  While he is right, Roos and Co. are day 3 into rebuilding Rome.  The Kangaroos, apart from Wells, aint quick, which should suit us.  The Bulldogs, who are speed personified, smashed us in 2015 at Etihad.

 

On Hogan he said that he doubted his body type for the modern game.  Hogan plays the more traditional sit in the square "kick it to me" role, rather than hard long leads that give the guy with the ball a hit-up and/or creates a vacuum of space behind him.

 

 

BTW, he is still waiting on a re-interview with the big H. 

[H_T 3,043]

Yeah I wemember the intewiew well......wewy much so.

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, TGR said:

This guy gets it right more often than not.  We all remember Watts' first game and the comments he made to much angst from most here and on 'ology.  Remember H's interview?

After the Essendon loss, Matthews pointed to our lack of leg speed as a big issue; and suggests we have focussed too heavily on getting in tougher, albeit slower inside mids.  While he is right, Roos and Co. are day 3 into rebuilding Rome.  The Kangaroos, apart from Wells, aint quick, which should suit us.  The Bulldogs, who are speed personified, smashed us in 2015 at Etihad.

On Hogan he said that he doubted his body type for the modern game.  Hogan plays the more traditional sit in the square "kick it to me" role, rather than hard long leads that give the guy with the ball a hit-up and/or creates a vacuum of space behind him.

BTW, he is still waiting on a re-interview with the big H. 

North aren't slow anymore, maybe in 2013 they were and that's what you're thinking.

Ummmm we beat the Dogs by 6 goals in round 8 last year too champ.

Hogan has shown he can roam up the ground and with an improving tank he will do it even more.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

33 minutes ago, TGR said:

This guy gets it right more often than not.  We all remember Watts' first game and the comments he made to much angst from most here and on 'ology.  Remember H's interview?

 

After the Essendon loss, Matthews pointed to our lack of leg speed as a big issue; and suggests we have focussed too heavily on getting in tougher, albeit slower inside mids.  While he is right, Roos and Co. are day 3 into rebuilding Rome.  The Kangaroos, apart from Wells, aint quick, which should suit us.  The Bulldogs, who are speed personified, smashed us in 2015 at Etihad.

 

On Hogan he said that he doubted his body type for the modern game.  Hogan plays the more traditional sit in the square "kick it to me" role, rather than hard long leads that give the guy with the ball a hit-up and/or creates a vacuum of space behind him.

 

 

BTW, he is still waiting on a re-interview with the big H. 

That is [censored]. His endurance is one of his strongest assets. We just have been playing as a stay home forward. Once forward line is sorted out he will play CHF and run the Sh!t out of his opponent.

[Demonated 252]

Lethal is one of the best players ever but he made his mind up before he even saw Hogan play. Last year he was commentating and more or less said Hogan was an aerial threat but didn't have the tools to compete when he didn't mark. Remember his pickup and left footed goal vs St Kilda? How about him gathering his crumb and getting around Thompson from North? Or his handball to Pederson into an open goal? Lethal actually knows Hogan's game less than the average poster on here.

Hogan for his size actually has above average speed and very good aerobic endurance. I'd be willing to bet Matthews isn't even aware of this. If what he is saying was true, Walker and J Reiwoldt wouldn't have the tools for the modern game. Hogan's problem at the moment is purely attitude, he showed that he is much more than capable last year and the game doesn't immediately change in 6 months. The best players from last year will be the best players this year. At least the other people criticising Hogan have an idea of how he plays, Lethals is largely based on very small samples and preconceived notions.

[chook fowler 19,447]

I think Hogan has the acceleration - he just doesn't lead.

[TGR 1,367]

On 6 April 2016 at 2:03 PM, stuie said:

North aren't slow anymore

They are the 2nd oldest list in the comp with Freo (1).  They are the most experienced in terms of av. games played.

When you say anymore, when are you comparing them to/with? Doug Wade in the goal square? Mick Nolan in the ruck?

Ziebel - Slow

Cunnington - Slow

Waite - Slow

Brown - Slow

Firrito - Old/slow

Hansen - Slow

Dal Santo - Slow

Swallow - Slow

Petrie - Slow

Gibson - Slow

Any speed they have is old ... Harvey/Higgins/Thomas ...

Wells (and an ageing Harvey) are the only ones that could be termed "electric" and hence line breakers.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Beaten sides always look slow and unskilled.

Then when they win again they look speedy and slick.

 

(Unless it's a close game in which case both sides look equally marvellous or equally [censored].)

[jnrmac 20,055]

14 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Beaten sides always look slow and unskilled.

Then when they win again they look speedy and slick.

 

(Unless it's a close game in which case both sides look equally marvellous or equally [censored].)

Yep its about speed of ball movement too...

[Lucifers Hero 39,612]

Do we really need another Hogan thread...we already have 2 in the top 7.  It gets repetitive...just saying...

[mo64 5,853]

49 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

That is [censored]. His endurance is one of his strongest assets. We just have been playing as a stay home forward. Once forward line is sorted out he will play CHF and run the Sh!t out of his opponent.

Spot on. Unfortunately we are not seeing it being utilized this year. You can partially blame that on not having another key forward. The opposition would allow Hogan to take marks on the wing, knowing there's no other key forward to hurt them. But this role for Hogan is better for the team than the crap he's served up so far this year, including the GWS game.

[nutbean 8,838]

15 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Yep its about speed of ball movement too...

I think it is all about speed of ball movement - Hawthorn are far from electric  in terms of leg speed - it is about how quickly they move the ball

[McQueen 17,864]

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Do we really need another Hogan thread...we already have 2 in the top 7.  It gets repetitive...just saying...

Hogan has surpassed Watts it seems...

[John Crow Batty 8,862]

Anyone neutral who watched Hogan play on Saturday would have not thought much of him.

[ignition. 1,463]

1 hour ago, TGR said:

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On Hogan he said that he doubted his body type for the modern game.  Hogan plays the more traditional sit in the square "kick it to me" role, rather than hard long leads that give the guy with the ball a hit-up and/or creates a vacuum of space behind him.

I wish he was played to lead from the square more often. 

I get so frustrated watching games and seeing him jogging around so far up field, and yet when we have a run on there's no one to kick it to or presenting a lead inside 50.

[stuie 7,374]

On 6 April 2016 at 2:34 PM, TGR said:

They are the 2nd oldest list in the comp with Freo (1).  They are the most experienced in terms of av. games played.

When you say anymore, when are you comparing them to/with? Doug Wade in the goal square? Mick Nolan in the ruck?

Ziebel - Slow

Cunnington - Slow

Waite - Slow

Brown - Slow

Firrito - Old/slow

Hansen - Slow

Dal Santo - Slow

Swallow - Slow

Petrie - Slow

Gibson - Slow

Any speed they have is old ... Harvey/Higgins/Thomas ...

Wells (and an ageing Harvey) are the only ones that could be termed "electric" and hence line breakers.

Yeah, I didn't say they were "electric", I said they weren't slow.

Harvey - Not slow

Wells - Not slow

Atley - Not slow

Higgins - Not slow

Thomas - Not slow

Anderson - Not slow

Nahas - Not slow

Ray - Not slow

Daw - Not slow

Brown - Not slow (for his size)

Goldstein - Not slow (for his size)

Garner - Not slow

Black - Not slow

See, I can list players too....

 

[H_T 3,043]

8 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Anyone neutral who watched Hogan play on Saturday would have not thought much off him.

Thought he would have towelled up the likes of Gwilt and/or Hartley. Double team or no double team against him. 

If he was on the stockxchange, it would have been a disaster for investors. 

[praha 11,236]

I actually think the North game will be a good contest. Could go either way. They have insane endurance and they tend to close out close matches.

If they let this mob push them around again and lose by 10+ goals, I might be done.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Do we really need another Hogan thread...we already have 2 in the top 7.  It gets repetitive...just saying...

The biggest name at the club needs the biggest thread count.

Jesse is nowhere near reaching his potential (number of threads).

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Hogan struggles to lead because we have too few players who bust the lines and are able to put the ball down his throat.

This is doubly complicated when the ball carriers are unable to get forward of the centre which means they are too far from goal and cannot reach the key forwards who in turn are unable to lead backwards into the space behind them. In effect, they have an attacking option taken out of their armoury.

In short, our lack of speed is making it tough for Hogan.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

It takes two to tango.

one, a mid field that can kick accurately to the forward

two, a forward who makes some attempt to get away from three defenders so they can't punch the ball away

[Dr. Gonzo 24,197]

2 hours ago, TGR said:

Hogan plays the more traditional sit in the square "kick it to me" role, rather than hard long leads that give the guy with the ball a hit-up and/or creates a vacuum of space behind him.

I think he is being played out of position - we have tried to make him into a bullocking "Plugger" type forward when he should be a roaming CHF. Get him up the ground, let him work his opponent over and double back into space.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

9 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Hogan struggles to lead because we have too few players who bust the lines and are able to put the ball down his throat.

This is doubly complicated when the ball carriers are unable to get forward of the centre which means they are too far from goal and cannot reach the key forwards who in turn are unable to lead backwards into the space behind them. In effect, they have an attacking option taken out of their armoury.

In short, our lack of speed is making it tough for Hogan.

I don't completely agree. There were numerous times were we had a break away and then we decided to bomb it long on top of Hogans head.

Don't know whether it is a combination of Hogan leading, then the ball carrier taking to much time to dispose of the ball, then Hogan doubles back and then it is kicked on his head.

Or Hogans leading to early before the ball carrier has even looked up the field to spot an option and by the time the ball carrier has looked up for an option, Hogan is doubling back, then the kick gets put on Hogan's head

Or whether it is combination of both or something else.

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think he is being played out of position - we have tried to make him into a bullocking "Plugger" type forward when he should be a roaming CHF. Get him up the ground, let him work his opponent over and double back into space.

I am wondering whether he is doing this from too far deep in the forward line, then the ball carrier doesn't have enough of a leg to get it over the back, then it ends up on his head

[dee-luded 2,959]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think he is being played out of position - we have tried to make him into a bullocking "Plugger" type forward when he should be a roaming CHF. Get him up the ground, let him work his opponent over and double back into space.

I think Hogan can play either forward post,  but he's been out of sorts the whole preseason & both games. 

He appears distracted,  & the tantrums are often a sign of other stuff happening.  Like others talking to management etc.  He may be struggling with big decisions ?

 

i think we should allow him upfield, to throw off his leeches. all the way down to half back.   Maybe even give him a Cameo run at CHB ? 

 

So I looked up the physical stas of Clark Keating, ex Lion.  He was,  according to Footywire, 197cms & 100 Kgs. & excellent around the ground & in the ruck for BIG games.

Hogan is 195cms & 101 Kgs. is an excellent mark around the ground,  & in packs,  aggressive... are you following,,,   maybe he needs a run on the ball.