Angus Brayshaw's knee injury (minor strain - 4 weeks)

[Bang Bang Bang 5,850]

If it is what Goodwin says it is, I wonder if he'll be picked for Round 1. I know he's a gun but he's still young and coming off no match practice. If someone like Oliver plays a couple more good games then I'd envisage Brayshaw coming back through the VFL.

[PaulRB 6,435]

Key difference between Oliver and Brayshaw isn't so much their skill, but their abiltiy to play 90% game time at AFL intensity. Oliver only played 57% game time Vs Port, unless he's at 80+ % GT in Nab 3 he wont be there Round 1. Brayshaw has already built that engine and demonstrated it over 20 odd rounds last year.

 

[Demon Blood 46]

2 hours ago, Diamond said:

From the MFC website: "After the game and on crutches, Brayshaw was unable to put any weight on his left leg."

I'd be more concerned about a minor fracture or the so-called "bone bruising" that shows up on MRI given the mechanism of injury. ACL tear appears unlikely (but still possible, or PCL).

Having torn an Medial & ACL in seperate incidents, you can walk on an ACL no problems but it hurts as soon as you change direction... where as a Medial you can't put weight on or walk properly for a couple of days, feels so much more painful than an ACL but it heals pretty quick and doesnt need surgery.

 

If he has a low grade (grade 1) then it will be 2 weeks of water walking/running before he gets back on the track... probably 4-5 weeks before full training but you never know with younger guys as they can heal faster.

 

Like Diamond said, bone bruising or some sort of fracture to the Tibia or Patella all still possible given it was an impact injury. Fingers crossed its only a short time out and he is back firing soon.

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Just now, Demon Blood said:

Having torn an Medial & ACL in seperate incidents, you can walk on an ACL no problems but it hurts as soon as you change direction... where as a Medial you can't put weight on or walk properly for a couple of days, feels so much more painful than an ACL but it heals pretty quick and doesnt need surgery.

I am going to wait on the Docs report. We can guess and speculate in the meantime. Just hope its not a LTI.

Interesting you torn a med. and you couldnt put weight on it  I also did one. 10 mins into the 1st qtr of a footy match. I got up and could'nt fully bend or straighten my left leg. Went off a few mins later (hobbling). Went for a jog from the bench to the goal posts. Sat out the the rest of that qtr and the 2nd. Came back on after 1/2 time, (got sick of watching). Couldnt get past a quick jog.  3 weeks later it wasnt any better.

Had a doc look at it, and got told I would have been better if I had broken my leg. I did the medial and torn the tendion off the bone behind my knee.

No operation, (although recommended)  took the retirement option. Never played again.

So I guess, the point is, you couldn;t put weight on it, I could. I just couldn't fully bend or straighten mine. It hurt like hell when I tried.

On Brayshaw, I hope whatever the report is they (MFC) give him twice as long to recover, if its a medial, because if it's weakened, the next time it might just rip it apart.

[DeeSpencer 26,493]

3 hours ago, Diamond said:

From the MFC website: "After the game and on crutches, Brayshaw was unable to put any weight on his left leg."

I'd be more concerned about a minor fracture or the so-called "bone bruising" that shows up on MRI given the mechanism of injury. ACL tear appears unlikely (but still possible, or PCL).

Wouldn't give much weight to the website report. Brayshaw was walking a bit in the change rooms after the injury, just as soon as they decided he was done for the day they gave him crutches and the point is not to put weight on it so that it can rest up and start to heal. Nothing to do with whether he could put weight on it, more than for the next few days + he shouldn't.

[manny100 1,621]

I guess he will be told not to put any weight on his knee until the scan results are in and they know the extent of the injury. It may not be as bad as we may think.

[old55 23,848]

Want competitive football, expect collision injuries. Lets hope mainly to opponents.

[McQueen 17,867]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Want competitive football, expect collision injuries. Lets hope mainly to opponents.

It wasn't a collision injury. His foot stuck in the turf and twisted as the tackle was applied.

But I get your point. 

[Coup Cooper 610]

If Dave Misson says 4-6.. That'll be Angus done for the year lol

[Lucifers Hero 40,564]

From The Australian:  "However, in more promising news, Melbourne general manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said yesterday Brayshaw would not require scans scheduled for today". 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/victorious-demons-to-keep-form-going-against-bulldogs/news-story/410a1514bd17896aee0982c97dcbbd09

Hooray!!

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5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

From The Australian:  "However, in more promising news, Melbourne general manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said yesterday Brayshaw would not require scans scheduled for today". 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/victorious-demons-to-keep-form-going-against-bulldogs/news-story/410a1514bd17896aee0982c97dcbbd09

Hooray!!

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Woo Hoo!!.

A no injury game away from home, against quality opposition is going to make for a very happy week

Is that blue sky through the rain?

[Ted Lasso 19,568]

I'd probably rest him against the dogs just to be safe but that's great news!

 

[Gorgoroth 13,188]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

From The Australian:  "However, in more promising news, Melbourne general manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said yesterday Brayshaw would not require scans scheduled for today". 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/victorious-demons-to-keep-form-going-against-bulldogs/news-story/410a1514bd17896aee0982c97dcbbd09

Hooray!!

Even if they do t think he needs them I'd still send him for them just to be 100% sure.

[Demonland 73,870]

6 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Even if they do t think he needs them I'd still send him for them just to be 100% sure.

I agree. I wouldn't want this to bite us in the bum down the track. 

[dee-luded 2,959]

23 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

That's not how we roll here at Demonland though Bob.  There are 'doctor's' littered all over this site who'll be able to determine what's happened without scans or actually being there.  Let them have their fun!

thats it, that is what forums & particularly footy forums are all about. conjecture perceptions & chat. it all adds up to interest in AFL footy.

22 hours ago, Burnsy said:

Conspiracy?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1976548-seaworld-admits-its-employees-posed-as-animal-rights-activists-to-infiltrate-groups/

I see the boys are both in water threrapy  already,  but who are those physio therapists?

[Fork 'em 7,052]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

From The Australian:  "However, in more promising news, Melbourne general manager of football operations Josh Mahoney said yesterday Brayshaw would not require scans scheduled for today". 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/victorious-demons-to-keep-form-going-against-bulldogs/news-story/410a1514bd17896aee0982c97dcbbd09

Hooray!!

Considering the Trengove debacle this decision is just staggering.
You know, if you were a player contemplating changing clubs you'd want to go somewhere they weren't too tight to send you for a forken scan.

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,564]

30 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Even if they do t think he needs them I'd still send him for them just to be 100% sure.

 

23 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I agree. I wouldn't want this to bite us in the bum down the track. 

 

2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Considering the Trengove debacle this decision is just staggering.
You know, if you were a player contemplating changing clubs you'd want to go somewhere they weren't too tight to send you for a forken scan.

All very sage comments and lets hope the club does everything to look after young Gus.  (...and the club still needs to confirm the report in the Australian).

On the positive side it means the injury is on the minor side, as reported by Goodwin and in all likelihood Gus will line up in round 1 rather than miss the first part of the season. 

[Webber 10,641]

45 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Considering the Trengove debacle this decision is just staggering.
You know, if you were a player contemplating changing clubs you'd want to go somewhere they weren't too tight to send you for a forken scan.

 

And hello to the world of diagnostic overservicing. The 'better to be safe than sorry' mania for diagnostic imaging is one of the main reasons our Public Health Service is struggling, all driven by the expectations coming from private medicine. If he doesn't need a scan, he doesn't f***ing need a scan. 

[Gator 18,018]

Just now, Webber said:

And hello to the world of diagnostic overservicing. The 'better to be safe than sorry' mania for diagnostic imaging is one of the main reasons our Public Health Service is struggling, all driven by the expectations coming from private medicine. If he doesn't need a scan, he doesn't f***ing need a scan. 

Always love your insight.

As reported, is it usually a 2-4 week injury ?

[Little Richard 6,265]

I'm sure the club has taken every minute precaution possible to be very sure that Gus doesn't need a scan. If there was even a tiny shred of doubt, why would they not go ahead?

[What 18,810]

7 minutes ago, Django said:

I'm sure the club has taken every minute precaution possible to be very sure that Gus doesn't need a scan. If there was even a tiny shred of doubt, why would they not go ahead?

 

Seems strange they have cancelled the scans.  Better to be safe than to be sorry and with the terrible luck this club has had over a long period the scans should absolutely be done.

[Gorgoroth 13,188]

16 minutes ago, Webber said:

And hello to the world of diagnostic overservicing. The 'better to be safe than sorry' mania for diagnostic imaging is one of the main reasons our Public Health Service is struggling, all driven by the expectations coming from private medicine. If he doesn't need a scan, he doesn't f***ing need a scan. 

He needs a scan cos this club has a nice history of not getting these right. 4-6 usually means f***ing season.

better to remove all doubt. And I'm sure a professional footballer getting a scan isn't going to stuff up our public hospital system. In fact, I'd be pretty sure it wouldn't even occur at a public hospital. 

[Lucifers Hero 40,564]

I re read the articles re the injury on our web site and scans were not mentioned. In fact Goodwin said: "It's just a minor medial, so we'll just assess him as the week goes on,"  

The scan seems something assumed by the media or fans.  Also the quote from The Australian does not say scans will be cancelled it says they 'will not be required'. 

The club took him off the ground on Saturday to not risk Gus.  They will not risk him now and will give him whatever treatment and rehab is required. 

Lets wait the next installment from the club.

[Chris 2,892]

22 hours ago, Demon Blood said:

Having torn an Medial & ACL in seperate incidents, you can walk on an ACL no problems but it hurts as soon as you change direction... where as a Medial you can't put weight on or walk properly for a couple of days, feels so much more painful than an ACL but it heals pretty quick and doesnt need surgery.

 

If he has a low grade (grade 1) then it will be 2 weeks of water walking/running before he gets back on the track... probably 4-5 weeks before full training but you never know with younger guys as they can heal faster.

 

Like Diamond said, bone bruising or some sort of fracture to the Tibia or Patella all still possible given it was an impact injury. Fingers crossed its only a short time out and he is back firing soon.

Maybe we could ask the other clubs is they know of any special substances that can be used to help heal injuries faster? Surely at least one club out their knows the answer!