Cam McCarthy takes indefinite leave

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

Free Agency has made the contract a far less binding agreement

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,876]

5 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

The amount of comments on this thread about him being a sook just shows how much further appreciation and understanding of anxiety and depression has to go.

The kid can seriously play and I hope he gets its together and plays somewhere when he is capable. 

I'm not disputing he is suffering from anything, but if he is it certainly didn't affect his ability to play last year. 

[bing181 8,165]

5 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

The amount of comments on this thread about him being a sook just shows how much further appreciation and understanding of anxiety and depression has to go.

... or mental health issues in general for that matter.

[chook fowler 18,226]

1 hour ago, ENYAW said:

If a footballer declares himself homesick or has mental health issues that person should be banned from AFL footy for a minimum 2 yrs. They are also unable to get any payments from their club. You could imagine if any player from any club could claim mental health issues in order to get transferred to a more successful club. Imagine Hogan,Brayshaw,Oliver and Petracca claiming mental health issue in order to play for a Hawthorn or a Sydney Swans.You have to draw a line in the sand. 

One of the more disturbing posts I've read. Such a policy would drive the problem underground with potential disastrous consequences for all concerned. Give it a rethink ENYAW.

 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,246]

On 30/1/2016 at 6:49 PM, ENYAW said:

Cam will be cured of his inflication once he is playing for freo next year. Future nickname Mitch Clark mark2 .

Thank you ENYAW for this linguistic gem!! It is a wonderful word which I shall use as often as possible.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

The Kid is a Fremantle tragic and got stuck at GW$. 

Anxiety attacks at being stuck in that hole are quite understandable

but he really shouldn't have signed an extension. That was dumb...

he will be at Freo next year fighting fit...

[Dwight Schrute 16,751]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The Kid is a Fremantle tragic and got stuck at GW$. 

Anxiety attacks at being stuck in that hole are quite understandable

but he really shouldn't have signed an extension. That was dumb...

he will be at Freo next year fighting fit...

While i agree 100% it was a silly move, i think AFL clubs can be very persuasive places, most are very good at selling a vision and he wouldn't be the first player to sign a deal and then think, what on earth have i done?

but GWS should have just traded him, whatever point they were trying to prove is going to result in them losing them for far less now.

[DeeSpencer 23,126]

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I'm not disputing he is suffering from anything, but if he is it certainly didn't affect his ability to play last year. 

Look up his form before and after the bye week last year.

Also understand the reality that mental illness is often like a rubber band, and things can seem fine whilst people have the ability to cope but once the band snaps the effects become clear.

[Sir Why You Little 34,443]

1 minute ago, Peter Griffen said:

While i agree 100% it was a silly move, i think AFL clubs can be very persuasive places, most are very good at selling a vision and he wouldn't be the first player to sign a deal and then think, what on earth have i done?

but GWS should have just traded him, whatever point they were trying to prove is going to result in them losing them for far less now.

The young must start to respect the power of the signature. 

The Kid Is an unabashed Docker fan, he knew he wasn't staying there long. But he took the $$$

[beelzebub 22,225]

The mind is a curious thing.

And we return to the notion of... The chicken or the egg ?

[DeeMfc 621]

Prodee and Mach5 have this nailed.

1. GWS recruit CM

2. Freo don't even know him let alone rate him.

3. CM signs a contract extension much to his delight.

4. See point 2.

5. CM starts exhibiting elite talent.

6. Freo starts to take notice.

7. CM starts kicking 4+ bags per game.

8. Freo in desperation gets in his ear and says 'come home to the club you love son'...... We WILL make it happen.

9. CM believes he's going home to play for the club he loves. He's ecstatic.

10. It doesn't eventuate and the world caves in around him leading to possible anxiety and depression.

(If indeed afflicted by these truly aweful mental illnesses I hope he can garner some respite and recover as best he can)

 

Moral of the story.

1. Don't believe everything you are told.

2. Stand by your commitments and re-evaluate your position only when you have fulfilled them. 

 

 

 

 

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

7 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

No I didn't, you liar, stuie said that - and I know far more about the topic than you do so don't stick your nose in with vague threats of violence. Who do you think you are? Maybe we will bump into each other down at training one of these days eh and then you can make good on your threats

Unbelievable how soft minded most of you are, even AFTER what we saw happen with Mitch Clark. Being depressed is one thing, it doesn't excuse bad behaviour.

Feeling depressed? Just go ahead and chuck in the towel then, don't worry about people you have made commitments to

Great advice for a great society championed by the likes of yourself and mr.women's rights on his soapbox stuie. The SJW who is just such a  better human than the rest of us. Such great human but somehow gets into a spat with a different poster every day on this forum, he's got a big old heart though doesn't he (vomit)

PS lucky me that my post wasn't deleted this time, although no action for stuie eh, I guess some people are allowed to exhibit textbook trolling and break the site rules on a daily basis with impugnity

a typical affliction of the SJW types. I agree with you. theres no requirement for accountability anymore. lets set a precedent and let anyone who's sad go back the club of their choice. Watch the league unravel quicker than ball of string. Young players must understand a contract is binding. homesickness is an affliction for 12 year olds. this guy is in his early 20s for F&*^s sake. blokes younger than him went to gallipoli and he can't handle living in sydney as a pro athlete?!! please

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

GWS are trying to build a team.  you think if GWS let every bloke who misses Mum break a contract that they are going got have any chance of success. I call bullsh1t on all this pansy crap. I call bullsh1t on m.Clark and I call bullsh1t on cam mccarthy. players must not be allowed to pick and choose clubs under the guise of 'homesickness'. 

C.Mcarthy is now my most despised player, purely for what he personifies which is the self entitled, pansy nature of todays young generation. 

Edited January 31, 2016 by Munga

[jnrmac 18,954]

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I'm not disputing he is suffering from anything, but if he is it certainly didn't affect his ability to play last year. 

and he signed a contract extension.....

[KingDingAling 3,596]

20 hours ago, Munga said:

GWS are trying to build a team.  you think if GWS let every bloke who misses Mum break a contract that they are going got have any chance of success. I call bullsh1t on all this pansy crap. I call bullsh1t on m.Clark and I call bullsh1t on cam mccarthy. players must not be allowed to pick and choose clubs under the guise of 'homesickness'. 

C.Mcarthy is now my most despised player, purely for what he personifies which is the self entitled, pansy nature of todays young generation. 

The Clark situation has opened up the door for clubs to send their own psychologists to other clubs, declaring their (opposition) players 'mentally ill', and giving them a justification to break contract. It is quite possible that Fremantle could send their club psychologist to GWS, declare McCarthy 'mentally ill', and give McCarthy an out clause. After the Clark situation, I think this will eventually happen.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

1 minute ago, KingDingAling said:

The Clark situation has opened up the door for clubs to send their own psychologists to other clubs, declaring their (opposition) players 'mentally ill', and giving them a justification to break contract. It is quite possible that Fremantle could send their club psychologist to GWS, declare McCarthy 'mentally ill', and give McCarthy an out clause. After the Clark situation, I think this will eventually happen.

If youre right  on that then there goes any hope of equalization. the AFLPA has consistently pushed the line back further and further to where the power of the players has completely destroyed any hope of an even competition

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Perhaps a rule where if a player wants to break a contract for 'personal' reasons then they must sit out the following year on full pay from their new club. that would discourage clubs poaching talent a little bit and encourage players to see out contracts and allow the player movement process to work as intended.

Or they sit out a year uncontracted and then go in to the next national draft.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Munga

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

something has to happen that brings the balance of power back to the clubs. professional team sport can not work otherwise. it must be exempt from fair trade rules and the players can be compensated for this exemption with large salaries and the opportunity to live out their dream.

[Deestroy All 14,261]

Wasn't he putting up happy snaps with his teammates and taking potshots at Damian Barrett (wins a point for that) when Barrett was reporting that McCarthy wanted out?

Depression or not, perhaps if he was more honest and stern about the whole situation back then he would've got his wish. 

 

[bing181 8,165]

5 hours ago, Munga said:

C.Mcarthy is now my most despised player, purely for what he personifies which is the self entitled, pansy nature of todays young generation. 

Good to see you work "pansy" in there as an insult, though you missed one by not referring to him as a girl.

[robbiefrom13 877]

3 hours ago, Munga said:

something has to happen that brings the balance of power back to the clubs. professional team sport can not work otherwise. it must be exempt from fair trade rules and the players can be compensated for this exemption with large salaries and the opportunity to live out their dream.

I'll get jumped all over again, but contract law requires equality of bargaining position between the parties, and a whole lot of specifics about this that  I can't remember.  When one party is in an unequal position - and I'd say the monopolistic rights of the player's club in an instance like that of CM makes it a very lopsided negotiation (not adequately balanced up by large amounts of money, if what the boy really wants is to play AFL footy).  Yes he signed the contract, but in circumstances that effectively deny him the right to choose another employer, and which therefore justify questioning the fairness of the AFL's rules about contracts.  The AFL denies him the right to choose a different employer.  One day, this will be challenged, I'm sure.  

Maybe after the excesses of the Essendon FC's behaviour with their employees gets the legal light of day being admitted into what goes on in an AFL club.  Law aims to provide fair rules, and the AFL does things their own way, for their own greater good.  

Some poor kids are going to get called out by Essendon later this year, and the AFL denies them access to the competition which likely enough they belong in, by merit, just as the AFL (and most fans) will not countenance the player deciding who they play for.  Robbie Flower, Tassie Johnson, a lot of guys in the past stood out for a year to get to their own choice of club - but surely there can be better system.  I know what that means about Hogan for example, but once the player is older his departure is allowed.  Think Ablett, Franklin, etc - it isn't necessarily the end of the world, and perhaps it shows respect and allows agency in the players' own lives that should be considered.  McCarthy raises questions about fairness to the player that I think deserve consideration; the system maybe is missing something that can matter to a young man.  He is a talented athlete, with ambition and ability to entertain with his prowess.  But we want to deny him reasonable rights that he would like to have, and we call him names when he respectfully seeks leave-of-absence under the pressure of his situation.  "Supporters" - of the game, not the players.  Are they mere gladiators to us?

Edited January 31, 2016 by robbiefrom13
clarification

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

I get the whole restriction of fair trade and movement in relation to a player and it goes against what we deem fair in any other workplace. However, the fact is, professional sporting competitions can not thrive and survive if they are held to what we consider fair movement in any other workplace. I am free to choose any workplace I desire, and so i should . I am free to leave my job with 4 weeks notice. If we carry those same rights over to the AFL then we have players leaving mid season.  But if we give the identical right to afl players then how many of them will be lining up at glenferrie and kardinia park?

The concept of football or sporting leagues was developed before workplace fair trade rules came in. the two can not exist in the same bubble. even free agency is restrictive when compared to any other industry. ITs another case of reality of a situation being different to a utopia. a football league can not survive if it is held to the same rules as the 'real world.' players should be compensated for these restrictions but the league shall be allowed to restrict player movement for the betterment of the game. The game is bigger than any player. 

Edited January 31, 2016 by Munga

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

To the people who say players should be free to move when and where they want, they can't have their cake and eat it. an extension of that philosophy is that the draft is null and void and that players can chop and change at will, like the rest of us. Goodbye equalization.

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

28 minutes ago, Munga said:

To the people who say players should be free to move when and where they want, they can't have their cake and eat it. an extension of that philosophy is that the draft is null and void and that players can chop and change at will, like the rest of us. Goodbye equalization.

Yes, it is different in sport. If all rules rules were applied strictly then every footballer would be in jail for assault. I know some one who got the sack at there workplace for placing their hand on a co-workers shoulder during a mild argument.

Edited January 31, 2016 by america de cali

[Gator 16,892]

10 hours ago, DeeMfc said:

Prodee and Mach5 have this nailed.

1. GWS recruit CM

2. Freo don't even know him let alone rate him.

3. CM signs a contract extension much to his delight.

4. See point 2.

5. CM starts exhibiting elite talent.

6. Freo starts to take notice.

7. CM starts kicking 4+ bags per game.

8. Freo in desperation gets in his ear and says 'come home to the club you love son'...... We WILL make it happen.

9. CM believes he's going home to play for the club he loves. He's ecstatic.

10. It doesn't eventuate and the world caves in around him leading to possible anxiety and depression.

(If indeed afflicted by these truly aweful mental illnesses I hope he can garner some respite and recover as best he can)

 

Moral of the story.

1. Don't believe everything you are told.

2. Stand by your commitments and re-evaluate your position only when you have fulfilled them. 

 

 

 

 

Summed up perfectly.

I suspect his "anxiety" is homesickness.   

Forgive me for not having a tear in my eye.