The Jack Trengove is BACK Thread

[monoccular 16,513]

3 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

Imagine there's no injuries
It isn't hard to do
No players out of form
And no suspensions too
Imagine all the midfield
In the twenty-two

Imagine no bad losses
I wonder if you can
No need for gnashing or wailing
Or meltdowns on SEN
Imagine if the Demons
Scraped into the eight

Yoo-hoo, woo-woo-woo
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And D'land will be as one

Great words, Mr Lennon.

Sadly I doubt if D'land will ever be as one.  I can envisage as Nathan Jones accepts the 2017 Premiership Cup on our behalf, some here will whine about the missed pass in the second quarter, or bemoan the fact the <player x> missed a tackle in the third, or the failure to convert the 95 point win over Hawthorn to over 100 due to a poor set shot in the dying minutes. 

Some will never ever be happy. Sad souls. You can guess who they are. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

Everybody's talking 'bout D'landers, grand standers, web sites, bomb sights, naviculars, particulars, Nathan Jones, Dawes groans, Ollie Wines, JT shrines, back formations, Watts frustrations, congratulations.

All I am saying ... is give peace a chance.

[dee-luded 2,958]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

DL ...more than a few her happy to give him the golden best 22 ticket straight out of the box. Its ridiculous.

I actually hope he makes it..I hope we get 5 years top service out of him. He'd love it, we'd love it.

Im just realistic

I think they mean on footy talent he's best 22,  being optimistic... but he has to recover,  getfit,  & then put games together,  then gather afl form as well...

[rjay 24,099]

5 minutes ago, dee-luded said:

I think they mean on footy talent he's best 22,  being optimistic... but he has to recover,  getfit,  & then put games together,  then gather afl form as well...

Spot on 'dee-luded'...

[beelzebub 22,542]

Rubbish

"If fit and healthy" has been the catchcry not just his talent.

No one has really argued against his original ability just the probability it'll ever be replicated.

Backpeddle all you like folks

[rjay 24,099]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Rubbish

"If fit and healthy" has been the catchcry not just his talent.

No one has really argued against his original ability just the probability it'll ever be replicated.

Backpeddle all you like folks

Sometimes you are full of it 'bb', I think you've expended all your ability to reason on the EFC biz...the tank has run dry, nothing left in the brain box.

Of course if fit & healthy is the catch cry, he won't get a game if he's not. I don't see anyone saying he should walk straight back into the team.

I will speak for myself and what I am saying is if he is fit & healthy, no more problems with his foot then he is easily best 22. To me his talent is undeniable, to others maybe not.

...and of course he is not over the line, I'm certainly not saying he is. As he has said himself, he has to tick off the boxes. 

Lets hope he ticks them all off and makes a successful comeback.

 

[Dees2014 2,377]

13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

His original form was 5-6 years ago..That is a long time ago in terms of elite sport. 

He kept running, twisting and turning on a load bearing foot injury for 2 years..(Astounding..but it happened) and people on here believe he can still be the same player when or if he returns...

it's a nice thought, but.....

I think you have to give our medical staff some credence here. If there were any doubt he could not stand up to a full game of football after his recovery I suggest he would have been delisted. The question is when will he be ready. 

The club has invested a lot in him over the last three years, and has IMHO shown admirable patience in his development which has not been the case in so many of our top 20 picks in the last 10 years to our considerable long term cost. There is no doubt this year is his last chance to again show his early form to pay back the faith, but if it works it would see us in the top eight this year.

Petracca, Jones, Vince, Tyson, VDB, Brayshaw, Viney......and an in-form Trengove, would be quite a mid field and would propell Jesse towards a 100 goal season and a long term future with the Dees. A nice thought! 

[rolly 149]

Must've benn playing through a rediculous amount of pain if he has wrecked his foot this badly.

 

Too proud as a captain to miss games for injury.

 

Courage or foolishness?

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

The issue seems to be that people are arguing different things.

One camp is saying that if he can get back to his early career form, he'll be best 22. This is a fact that I don't think anyone disputes.

The other camp is saying that it's unlikely that he'll be able to recover sufficiently to reproduce this form. There is a good chance that this opinion will prove to be correct. 

 

The circular debate is coming from people responding to posts like this: 

8 hours ago, dee-luded said:

I think they mean on footy talent he's best 22,  being optimistic... but he has to recover,  getfit,  & then put games together,  then gather afl form as well...

With posts like this:

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

His original form was 5-6 years ago..That is a long time ago in terms of elite sport. 

He kept running, twisting and turning on a load bearing foot injury for 2 years..(Astounding..but it happened) and people on here believe he can still be the same player when or if he returns...

it's a nice thought, but.....

 

This creates the argument that goes:

"Trengove is best 22 if fit"

"Trengove will never be fit"

"But if he is fit he'll be best 22"

"But he won't ever be fit"

"But if he is fit he'll be best 22"

"But he won't be"

"But he might be"

"It's unlikely"

"Sure, it's no guarantee, but if he is fit he's best 22"

"Trengove will never be fit"

etc, etc, etc.

 

I'm sure that everybody is hoping that the second group is wrong, including members of the second group. The best thing that we can do is support Trengove in his comeback bid as it would be huge for the MFC.

 

[mdemonski2 403]

1 hour ago, Good Times Grimes said:

The issue seems to be that people are arguing different things.

One camp is saying that if he can get back to his early career form, he'll be best 22. This is a fact that I don't think anyone disputes.

The other camp is saying that it's unlikely that he'll be able to recover sufficiently to reproduce this form. There is a good chance that this opinion will prove to be correct. 

 

The circular debate is coming from people responding to posts like this: 

With posts like this:

 

This creates the argument that goes:

"Trengove is best 22 if fit"

"Trengove will never be fit"

"But if he is fit he'll be best 22"

"But he won't ever be fit"

"But if he is fit he'll be best 22"

"But he won't be"

"But he might be"

"It's unlikely"

"Sure, it's no guarantee, but if he is fit he's best 22"

"Trengove will never be fit"

etc, etc, etc.

 

I'm sure that everybody is hoping that the second group is wrong, including members of the second group. The best thing that we can do is support Trengove in his comeback bid as it would be huge for the MFC.

 

 

[mdemonski2 403]

Spot on.

Why don't we all take a chill pill, get behind him and see how he goes.

good luck Jack we are all hoping to see you back out there again soon.

[dee-luded 2,958]

15 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Rubbish

"If fit and healthy" has been the catchcry not just his talent.

No one has really argued against his original ability just the probability it'll ever be replicated.

Backpeddle all you like folks

perception

 

[dee-luded 2,958]

8 hours ago, mdemonski2 said:

Spot on.

Why don't we all take a chill pill, get behind him and see how he goes.

good luck Jack we are all hoping to see you back out there again soon.

the best way we can support him is to have NO expectations of him,  to allow him to just be,  & to just train,  & to just play..

 

He has gone thru too much expectation,  when captaincy was imposed on him,  when unfit,  & too young...   these are the reasons alone,  why WE OWE Him.  we (Mfc) have nearly destroyed his game.

Edited January 29, 2016 by dee-luded

[Lucifers Hero 37,407]

This article is about Petracca http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-02-01/trac-back-on-training-track but there is a snippet about Jack's progress:  Trengove remains in the rehab group but was running hard and testing his agility in drills at training on Monday, with a return to full training not too far away...."Jack's progressed every week with his running and he'll start to join in full training over the next little period, all things going well," Mahoney said.

This appears to be on the favourable side of Jack's own expectations a few weeks ago.  It doesn't say whether he is kicking but that he will start full training suggests he is just about there.  A few more boxes ticked off toward getting him back on the park

[McQueen 17,864]

Another video from Rob Jackson.

https://instagram.com/p/BBO6Ebrl31f/

 

Edited February 1, 2016 by McQueen
Don't know how to embed Instagram videos.

[JAG007 163]

Jack was kicking the ball at training on Monday

[chookrat 3,821]

On 27/01/2016 at 7:07 PM, monoccular said:

Great words, Mr Lennon.

Sadly I doubt if D'land will ever be as one.  I can envisage as Nathan Jones accepts the 2017 Premiership Cup on our behalf, some here will whine about the missed pass in the second quarter, or bemoan the fact the <player x> missed a tackle in the third, or the failure to convert the 95 point win over Hawthorn to over 100 due to a poor set shot in the dying minutes. 

Some will never ever be happy. Sad souls. You can guess who they are. 

Or that a couple of our players shared a joke and laughed during preseason training session.

[McQueen 17,864]

17 hours ago, JAG007 said:

Jack was kicking the ball at training on Monday

He's been kicking on his right foot for some time.

 

It's the left, we're concerned about..

[Slartibartfast 16,050]

I share an email thread with an astute observer and he was at training on Monday.  This was his comment on Trengove:

Trengove moving extremely well, looks fit. Also looks incredibly slow. Still a long uphill climb for him. Hope he makes it he's a ripping bloke.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

12 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I share an email thread with an astute observer and he was at training on Monday.  This was his comment on Trengove:

Trengove moving extremely well, looks fit. Also looks incredibly slow. Still a long uphill climb for him. Hope he makes it he's a ripping bloke.

Sadly, I don't think his slowness was because of injury, it hasn't helped but even in 2010 he was on the slow side of things.

[McQueen 17,864]

15 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I share an email thread with an astute observer and he was at training on Monday.  This was his comment on Trengove:

Trengove moving extremely well, looks fit. Also looks incredibly slow. Still a long uphill climb for him. Hope he makes it he's a ripping bloke.

Possibly because he's not at a point in his recovery where he can sprint flat-out?

[monoccular 16,513]

12 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Possibly because he's not at a point in his recovery where he can sprint flat-out?

Steve. That sure doesn't help, does it. Most are slow when they don't sprint. 

[Slartibartfast 16,050]

11 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Possibly because he's not at a point in his recovery where he can sprint flat-out?

Who knows? My view if he is not yet sprinting flat out then his return is a long way away.  My reading of the situation is he is unlikely to play until mid season.  He has a one year contract and I doubt the club is expecting anything much from him this season and anything he does produce will be a bonus.  I think they will give him the best possible to stabilize his foot and play fully fit and to the best of his ability.  We will then know what he can produce and we can assess his future.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[old dee 23,118]

2 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Who knows? My view if he is not yet sprinting flat out then his return is a long way away.  My reading of the situation is he is unlikely to play until mid season.  He has a one year contract and I doubt the club is expecting anything much from him this season and anything he does produce will be a bonus.  I think they will give him the best possible to stabilize his foot and play fully fit and to the best of his ability.  We will then know what he can produce and we can assess his future.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

Excellent summation BB I agree

[Gator 16,921]

36 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Sadly, I don't think his slowness was because of injury, it hasn't helped but even in 2010 he was on the slow side of things.

Clint, I'd suggest pace wasn't going to adversely effect his career - he'd shown enough already.  Plenty of players like Luke Hodge don't have pace.  Nonetheless, it's worth re-reading our very own Weber's (?) excellent post (some time ago) that gives insight to navicular injuries and the types of issues potentially facing Trengove, including perhaps even a psychological one:

 

"the midfoot is critical to the 'rigid lever' that the foot must become to allow power in push off, thus for running and jumping. It also must have the flexibility to allow deformation of the foot during weightbearing prior to push off. The navicular is the keystone of the arch which forms the rigid lever. If it's suspect, the whole transfer of power is inhibited. If JT's nav heals without issues of blood supply being affected, there's no reason he can't make a full recovery, and that would include complete power capabilities. If the midfoot was unstable either biomechanically or as a conscious lack of trust in it, he would certainly present with those symptoms, but there are a bunch of other pathologies that could give the same symptoms."