Changes vs the Saints

[Adzman 2,154]

Say what you like about Garland being scarred or not being able to overcome the mental demons of the past few years. He played 3 quarters of footy with a broken hand! That is commitment and takes some serious mental strength to be able to do that.

[P-man 13,366]

Guys, ANB won't play - Roos said as much in his presser, and I was pleased to hear it. Seems our supporters have this obsession with promoting new draftees as soon as they have a game where they've had 30 touches - have we not heeded the lessons of years past?! Let him develop for a while and continue to build consistent form at Casey so that he's well and truly ready later in the year.

Jesus I'm sick of this rubbish.

Firstly, it's not one game. Secondly, Brayshaw played early and has retained his spot. What makes ANB any different? Both have shown they can compete against senior bodies.

If Roos deems him not ready then so be it, but don't paint it as some over anxiousness to play young players. The issue is YOUR paranoia about ruining young players by exposing them too early because of the past. Entertain the notion that maybe a player like Neal-Bullen will benefit from the experience.

[P-man 13,366]

Must have missed that. Don't recall ANB even being referenced in the presser.

Same. I don't recall him even being mentioned.

[rjay 24,955]

Same. I don't recall him even being mentioned.

Mentioned in Roos views. He didn't rule him out, in fact reading between the lines probably ruled him in as a starter this week.

Along the lines of would prefer him to play more games at Casey, then mentioned the injury toll and looking to select best team they can etc.

[leucopogon 1,519]

Guys, ANB won't play - Roos said as much in his presser, and I was pleased to hear it. Seems our supporters have this obsession with promoting new draftees as soon as they have a game where they've had 30 touches - have we not heeded the lessons of years past?! Let him develop for a while and continue to build consistent form at Casey so that he's well and truly ready later in the year.

My ANB bonfire could do without you urinating on it Glenn, thank you very much

[Glenn Molloy 494]

Jesus I'm sick of this rubbish.

Firstly, it's not one game. Secondly, Brayshaw played early and has retained his spot. What makes ANB any different? Both have shown they can compete against senior bodies.

If Roos deems him not ready then so be it, but don't paint it as some over anxiousness to play young players. The issue is YOUR paranoia about ruining young players by exposing them too early because of the past. Entertain the notion that maybe a player like Neal-Bullen will benefit from the experience.

What makes it different to Brayshaw? Er, perhaps the fact that Brayshaw had a full pre-season, or do you think that getting a fitness base in pre-season is meaningless? ANB was out from Christmas time onward due to a knee. Brayshaw only started in the magoos because he missed a couple of NAB games due to concussion. Secondly, and this is to a lesser extent than reason one - body type. Brayshaw is a bit stronger than ANB at this point in time.

My point has nothing to do with your ridiculous view that I'm paranoid (nothing like Demonland posters to start getting personal when they disagree with an opinion is there?!). I'm as excited as anyone else is about seeing him debut. I just think our supporters often see or hear about one of the new draftees have a big game at Casey and decide that he has to be rushed straight into the team. Granted, he's played well for a couple of weeks (and in the development league prior to that) but he needs to do it for a bit longer - guys like Billy Hartung at Hawthorn had to knock the door down to get selected, and I'd like to see ANB play a few more good games before being selected. You're entitled to think otherwise but I won't label you as being paranoid or anything else for having such a view!

And my mistake re: Roos' comments about ANB in his presser - it was actually in Roos' views but it doesn't matter, the point is he said he'd rather give him more time at Casey.

[Demonic Faves 39]

Fcuk you people take this shite way too serious. If Roosy picks him anb is ready if he doesn't pick him then he's not.

[Wunders 397]

I feel every time we play the saints injuries cruel our chances (e.g. Tommy mc was it last year or the year before where he got that massive corky and Reiwalt got off the chain). I think we can beat them, but i hate how depleted we are, and if we end up loosing many might jump ship when really these injuries are making it so hard for us!

Give me Kent, Vandenburg and Salem back in and i'd be very happy!

Excited anyway! Go dees !

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Well certainly still think Tyson & Grimes are certain to come in.

For me it then becomes a question of one of Michie/Neal-Bullen to come in as an inside midfielder and one of Harmes/Stretch to come in and play half forward to provide some run, spread and forward pressure.

[Akum 2,660]

Changes have been minimised this year. With two compulsory changes already thru injury, they're less likely to make another one, let alone two.

Of course, being a Sunday match, they'll name an extended bench.

[rjay 24,955]

Fcuk you people take this shite way too serious. If Roosy picks him anb is ready if he doesn't pick him then he's not.

He might pick him when he'd rather not due to injuries and this is a real option at the moment.

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

I think from how Roos has spoke at all the pressers he will not want to make many changes but there will obviously be two forced changes and I have also heard that Newton suffered a bit of an ankle injury and whilst he spent a fair bit of time on the bench was also able to play the game out, so dependent on recovery and a fitness test could determine his ability to play.

Selection is always an interesting prospect but not going to be upset with any changes that occur.

Tyson, then any of Michie, Grimes, ANB, Stretch or Rohan Bail dependent on roles that will be required and way we are looking to work the team. I don't think Harmes will be played.

I would personally think that two mids coming in is the best idea and letting Lumumba spend more time in the backline in a role similar to Garland could be the case but who knows.

[stuie 7,374]

Revising mine...

IN: Tyson, Michie, Grimes, ANB (sub)

OUT: Garland (inj), vandenBerg (inj), Newton, M.Jones

Emergency: Stretch

[DubDee 25,908]

Tyson, Grimes IN

for Vandenberg, Garland

[P-man 13,366]

What makes it different to Brayshaw? Er, perhaps the fact that Brayshaw had a full pre-season, or do you think that getting a fitness base in pre-season is meaningless? ANB was out from Christmas time onward due to a knee. Brayshaw only started in the magoos because he missed a couple of NAB games due to concussion. Secondly, and this is to a lesser extent than reason one - body type. Brayshaw is a bit stronger than ANB at this point in time.

My point has nothing to do with your ridiculous view that I'm paranoid (nothing like Demonland posters to start getting personal when they disagree with an opinion is there?!). I'm as excited as anyone else is about seeing him debut. I just think our supporters often see or hear about one of the new draftees have a big game at Casey and decide that he has to be rushed straight into the team. Granted, he's played well for a couple of weeks (and in the development league prior to that) but he needs to do it for a bit longer - guys like Billy Hartung at Hawthorn had to knock the door down to get selected, and I'd like to see ANB play a few more good games before being selected. You're entitled to think otherwise but I won't label you as being paranoid or anything else for having such a view!

And my mistake re: Roos' comments about ANB in his presser - it was actually in Roos' views but it doesn't matter, the point is he said he'd rather give him more time at Casey.

Go back and read your post. You are the one who brought a personal element by spouting this often repeated nonsense of supporters being "obsessed" with wanting to play the youngsters too early, and "not learning lessons of the past", inferring that it is driven by some irrational desire to want to push players before they are ready. If that's your attitude, in return, you can cop being called paranoid on the chin. There are near countless examples of first year players who have hit the ground running. What has happened in the past under a different coaching regime is irrelevant.

As to your arguments as to why he shouldn't be played yet (which you should've started with in the first place), fair enough. Pre-seasons are important at this stage of their career and as I said, if he's deemed not physically ready so be it. Given the form he has shown it would still be up for strong consideration I would've thought. I don't accept your second argument re body type. Brayshaw is no vandenBerg. The difference between him and ANB is negligible and both have shown an ability to compete against mature bodies for some time.

Having watched Roos views now, I agree that Roos doesn't sound overly keen on playing him just yet.

Edited June 10, 2015 by P-man

[Nasher 33,616]

In: Tyson, Grimes

Out: Garland, vandenBerg

I see no need for any more than two changes, and since there are two forced ones, I'd leave it at that.

No hurry on ANB. If he keeps up his VFL form, his time will come.

Would drop Newton before Matt Jones personally. Both survive this week.

[Fat Tony 5,235]

B Fitzpatrick, T McDonald, Jetta
HB Lumumba, Dunn, Grimes
C Cross, Vince, M Jones
HF Watts, Hogan, Howe
F Viney, Pedersen, Garlett
Fol Gawn, Tyson, N Jones
Int Brayshaw, Toumpas, Riley, Newton (sub)

In: Tyson, Grimes
Out: Garland, Vandenberg

• We look to need outside runners more than ball winners, particularly with Tyson coming in. I don’t think ANB plays unless we drop Newton or Riley.
• I would definitely retain M Jones and start him.
• Is it possible that White gets a game ahead of Grimes?

[chook fowler 19,459]

Rapt to see Garland getting some overdue recognition. He has the odd bad game but overall has been a good servant of the club.

With regards to ANB, I can't see how his position is any different to Stretch or Brayshaw who already have debuted.

While there should be no hurry if he's ready, he's ready and sometimes giving a kid a sniff of the big time is an important part of their development. Happy to trust the Football dept to make the call.

Edited June 11, 2015 by chook fowler

[beelzebub 23,380]

In: Tyson, Grimes

Out: Garland, vandenBerg

I see no need for any more than two changes, and since there are two forced ones, I'd leave it at that.

No hurry on ANB. If he keeps up his VFL form, his time will come.

Would drop Newton before Matt Jones personally. Both survive this week.

Given that we're making a big play at September action I thoroughly concur...

actually..

We have THAT much depth currently...how about we play a kid with a bit of form...you know...just to have a look etc...I know...maverick thinking !! but hey

[ashdemons22 235]

In Tyson ,ANB,Grimes

Out Vanderberg,Garland,Newton

Newton was poor in the weekend only 7 touches all game. Was he tagging anyone?

Neal-Bullen must come in 4 weeks in a row of solid form, and in the bests most weeks for Casey.

His game on the weekend was outstanding will take Vanders place for now.

Grimes comes in form Garland.

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

Newton was poor in the weekend only 7 touches all game. Was he tagging anyone?

Spent a chunk of time on the bench, had an issue with his ankle, was treated by the medicos and then got back on but battled after that, also he had 9 touches

[PaulRB 6,390]

Is Tyson for VandenBerg an improvement or a loss?

Like to see Tyson come back with a bang.

Vanders has been really good.

[rpfc 28,530]

In: Tyson, Grimes

Out: Garland, vandenBerg

I see no need for any more than two changes, and since there are two forced ones, I'd leave it at that.

No hurry on ANB. If he keeps up his VFL form, his time will come.

Would drop Newton before Matt Jones personally. Both survive this week.

If Tyson is still not 75% then ANB would get the nod from me but my thinking would be similar.

Garland's actions were very impressive and I hope he is out for only a few weeks. His absence is somewhat mitigated by the presence of Fitzpatrick and does allow Grimes to fill Garland's shoes more easily.

If Fitz can get rid of those brainfades and be less passive when the ball is around him - shepards, blocks, def/off movement, then he will be turning his athletic gifts and length into plusses that set him apart and will find him a career in this league. But he has to get it going in the next month - I think he is drinking at the last chance saloon and closing hours are upon him...

[rpfc 28,530]

Is Tyson for VandenBerg an improvement or a loss?

Like to see Tyson come back with a bang.

Vanders has been really good.

Different styles of play but Tyson is a much better footy player than Vanders - I think we get too caught up with what we have just seen. Tyson was excellent last year and is our second best mid when all lined up and in form.

[Coup Cooper 610]

Say what you like about Garland being scarred or not being able to overcome the mental demons of the past few years. He played 3 quarters of footy with a broken hand! That is commitment and takes some serious mental strength to be able to do that.

Garland is scarred.. He stood tall when we were disgusting!!