POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 6

[Ted Lasso 17,130]

If Garlett was more efficient he'd be he best small forward in the game imo

[Je Roos Salem 661]

If Garlett was more efficient he'd be he best small forward in the game imo

If only he could kick the simple ones! Still a long way to go in the season but it seems we now have 2 reliable goal kickers after having none in 2014. Hopefully him and Jesse can both kick around 40. Last time we really had a goal kicker was Clark's half 2012 season

[Bang Bang Bang 5,560]

Our leading goalkicker last year was Dawes with 20 goals. Both Garlett and Hogan will probably surpass that before the bye.

Trading for Garlett and giving up a packet of chips in return (pick 68) was great trading.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Our leading goalkicker last year was Dawes with 20 goals. Both Garlett and Hogan will probably surpass that before the bye.

Trading for Garlett and giving up a packet of chips in return (pick 68) was great trading.

And isn't it nice to say that about a trade for a change!

[Binmans PA 26,510]

And isn't it nice to say that about a trade for a change!

I don't think it's been our trading that has let us down in the past.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

I don't think it's been our trading that has let us down in the past.

Maybe, but it hasn't been great either. Obviously it hasn't been as bad as our drafting though.

[Sambo06 222]

So basically Red... nothing's changed from last year on or off the field in a performance/output sense.

I watched a loose McVeigh and to a lessor extent Shaw, run rings around us, setting up goals, making their fellow players look good (bringing them into the play) and us look silly last year and we refused to man them up (or couldn't). Wind the clock one season on and....groundhog day.

With the exception of a few individuals and changes to the deck chairs with a few new players, i can only assess from this performance (ie., worse than last year's) that as a "team", we haven't progressed at all.

So basically Red... nothing's changed from last year on or off the field in a performance/output sense.

I watched a loose McVeigh and to a lessor extent Shaw, run rings around us, setting up goals, making their fellow players look good (bringing them into the play) and us look silly last year and we refused to man them up (or couldn't). Wind the clock one season on and....groundhog day.

With the exception of a few individuals and changes to the deck chairs with a few new players, i can only assess from this performance (ie., worse than last year's) that as a "team", we haven't progressed at all.

McVeigh had 10 disposals in the 1st quarter and then Roos sent Toump to him in the 2nd. Only had 2 for the quarter. After half time Toump was moved off McVeigh and his onslaught picked up wher it left off at the end of the 1st. What was with that? Toump was very good in stopping JM so why wasn't he left on him at least for another quarter?

[Sambo06 222]

I think it's time you looked at reality Song

This club is still playing timid football 10 years down the track...

Please go away.

[dazzledavey36 49,373]

McVeigh had 10 disposals in the 1st quarter and then Roos sent Toump to him in the 2nd. Only had 2 for the quarter. After half time Toump was moved off McVeigh and his onslaught picked up wher it left off at the end of the 1st. What was with that? Toump was very good in stopping JM so why wasn't he left on him at least for another quarter?

Good pick i didn't know that.

[Demonic Faves 39]

McVeigh had 10 disposals in the 1st quarter and then Roos sent Toump to him in the 2nd. Only had 2 for the quarter. After half time Toump was moved off McVeigh and his onslaught picked up wher it left off at the end of the 1st. What was with that? Toump was very good in stopping JM so why wasn't he left on him at least for another quarter?

Just finished watching replay again.

Toumpus was close to mcveigh all second. Saw that too. Even got a coupl e of his own touches. One of mcveighs touches was a kick to himself from a kickin too. I thought to myself good job toump, then it was gone.

[Binmans PA 26,510]

Didn't note Toumpas playing on McVeigh then either. If so, I'm impressed. Already felt Toumpas had a pass mark, perhaps his game was even better than that?

Edited May 10, 2015 by AdamFarr

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

Please go away.

Hahahaha! Whatever

[Lucifers Hero 37,324]

McVeigh had 10 disposals in the 1st quarter and then Roos sent Toump to him in the 2nd. Only had 2 for the quarter. After half time Toump was moved off McVeigh and his onslaught picked up wher it left off at the end of the 1st. What was with that? Toump was very good in stopping JM so why wasn't he left on him at least for another quarter?

This is a really good example of a player doing what coaches ask. He would get a lot of praise from coaches because that role of Toumpas vs McV is the most team oriented play of most - sacrifice own game for the team. He will not be accused of 'selfish/hero' football. It just goes to show that not all on-ballers need to be inside, get own ball type players. Hope that Saturday answered Toumpas critics on here re being outside only.

If he continues following instructions (whatever his role) he will be in the team for a long time

What I really like is that both Vince and Toumpas have been successful in these shutdown roles on elite players of the game. Great development. Up there with playing Salem in the backline.

Edited May 10, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Bitter but optimistic 21,556]

The only positive was Carlton's performance.

[Coq au vin 754]

Watts come on, was able to immediately get involved, and the flow of the game changed. I understand he was coming off a poor 3 weeks, his confidence shot, but we simply can't afford not to have him in the team. I understand how frustrating he is, however he is immensely creative even when he is out of form. He is underrated on this sight. I am happy to see he has seemed to shake the mental demons and hope he can learn from this form slump to become more consistent.

His mental demons seem to be back.

[poita 3,708]

Thanks to the Swans for leaving at three quarter time, and allowing us to get some cheap goals in the last quarter. If they were fair dinkum for four quarters we would have lost by 100.

Another really poor showing by Roos with his selections and initial match ups. When we fail to get these things right we basically start with a 5 goal handicap. Jetta, McVeigh and Kennedy destroyed us all night.

What does playing Watts as the sub achieve? If he's not in our best 21, he should be running around at Casey getting his hands dirty. He was decent when he came on, but what was the point?

Spencer was disappointing, but what are the alternatives? Jamar would have been equally as useless. Gawn is still the most talented ruckman on our list, and irrespective of his poor form we may just have to give some games.

Why wasn't Pedersen put on Tippett when we has was rag dolling Dunn? Dunn or Howe could have gone forward and done something useful. The Howe as a defender experiment hasn't worked all year, and is becoming embarrassing.

We have too many midfielders who aren't prepared to be accountable for an opponent. Newton is the worst, but Vandenberg and Tyson are close behind. Roos has gone too far the other way with Vince, and now he doesn't look interested in getting the ball. I love Cross's work rate, but he is painfully slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Jones is a shadow of his former self too.

JKH needs a long spell at Casey. I have no idea what his role is meant to be, but he isn't contributing anything at the moment. Even Bail would be more value as a half forward.

Pass marks for Salem, McDonald and Hogan this week. The rest need to pull their fingers out pronto.

Edited May 10, 2015 by poita

[Demon Jack 6,388]

Agree about Garlett and Hogan being set to kick 40 - 50 goals. Makes you think how many they would kick if we kicked it to them more often.

[bandicoot 1,395]

Thanks to the Swans for leaving at three quarter time, and allowing us to get some cheap goals in the last quarter. If they were fair dinkum for four quarters we would have lost by 100.

Another really poor showing by Roos with his selections and initial match ups. When we fail to get these things right we basically start with a 5 goal handicap. Jetta, McVeigh and Kennedy destroyed us all night.

What does playing Watts as the sub achieve? If he's not in our best 21, he should be running around at Casey getting his hands dirty. He was decent when he came on, but what was the point?

Spencer was disappointing, but what are the alternatives? Jamar would have been equally as useless. Gawn is still the most talented ruckman on our list, and irrespective of his poor form we may just have to give some games.

Why wasn't Pedersen put on Tippett when we has was rag dolling Dunn? Dunn or Howe could have gone forward and done something useful. The Howe as a defender experiment hasn't worked all year, and is becoming embarrassing.

We have too many midfielders who aren't prepared to be accountable for an opponent. Newton is the worst, but Vandenberg and Tyson are close behind. Roos has gone too far the other way with Vince, and now he doesn't look interested in getting the ball. I love Cross's work rate, but he is painfully slow and can't kick over a jam tin. Jones is a shadow of his former self too.

JKH needs a long spell at Casey. I have no idea what his role is meant to be, but he isn't contributing anything at the moment. Even Bail would be more value as a half forward.

Pass marks for Salem, McDonald and Hogan this week. The rest need to pull their fingers out pronto.

Brutal but true...

[sue 8,477]

I didn't see much sign of Sydney slacking off in the last quarter. Any side trying to get well up the ladder for the finals will go for the 100 point kill against a team which only manages 1 goal in a half. Credit to our blokes that Sydney didn't succeed.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,546]

Just watching the game now.

So far my favourite parts include: Always being behind the opposition in a marking contest, handballing to a stationary target and Tyson's 'tackle' on Kennedy when he was hanging off him and Kennedy was still running, Tyson fell off and Kennedy goaled.

Thrilling stuff.

Edited May 11, 2015 by Ethan Tremblay

[nutbean 8,837]

I didn't see much sign of Sydney slacking off in the last quarter. Any side trying to get well up the ladder for the finals will go for the 100 point kill against a team which only manages 1 goal in a half. Credit to our blokes that Sydney didn't succeed.

That's what I don't get...lots of if if if's.

If they hadn't slacked off they would have killed us by 100 points.

If they had kicked straight they would have killed us by 100 points.

If they hadn't this and hadn't that....

If my sister had balls she' be my brother...

Irrespective of the reason - we stemmed the bleed in the 3rd and came back in the last. All the rest is if and conjecture.

[Sir Why You Little 34,941]

Just watching the game now.

So far my favourite parts include: Always being behind the opposition in a marking contest, handballing to a stationary target and Tyson's 'tackle' on Kennedy when he was hanging off him and Kennedy was still running, Tyson fell off and Kennedy goaled.

Thrilling stuff.

When will players Learn to execute basic skills. This has gone on for seasons & seasons under numerous coaches and assistants

Basic Skills not executed correctly.

The game was over at half time.

The Swannettes did what was needed

[3Dee 1,153]

Quite similar to Ess v Freo game. Spencer owned by Pyke. Beaten before the first bounce. Viney & Jetta back this week.

[John Crow Batty 8,315]

That's what I don't get...lots of if if if's.

If they hadn't slacked off they would have killed us by 100 points.

If they had kicked straight they would have killed us by 100 points.

If they hadn't this and hadn't that....

If my sister had balls she' be my brother...

Irrespective of the reason - we stemmed the bleed in the 3rd and came back in the last. All the rest is if and conjecture.

That was the only saving grace for the game. The guys did have a crack though game was lost. Against Freo we gave up totally and let them leisurely double their lead after we kicked a series of behinds and they goaled first in the last. Edited May 11, 2015 by america de cali

[Ethan Tremblay 28,546]

Quite similar to Ess v Freo game. Spencer owned by Pyke. Beaten before the first bounce. Viney & Jetta back this week.

Looking forward to Kent coming back in as well. Need his run and aggression.