The Rising Star Thread - Congratulations Jesse Hogan!

[Little Goffy 14,876]

Cripps is a first-rate midfielder, already in the top 50 of the game and deserves full credit for that in a rubbish group.

Hogan is already in the top 5 of the AFL's key forwards, delivering at least on a level with the likes of Hawkins, Walker, and J. Riewoldt.

It is an easy 'win' for Hogan but we'll just have to see which games the selectors have watched.

Either way, I don't think there's a lot at stake here!

[DeeSpencer 26,649]

  On 08/09/2015 at 09:55, Lucifer said:

9 judges each issuing 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 across 23 players.

I don't know the probability of a tie but would think it very low.

If its a tie then I would wonder if McLachlan and Evans have been pulling strings.

Last year there were 10 judges. Have the judges been listed yet?

Still would be remarkable if it were split 5 v 5.

I'd rather Hogan lose than a tie to be honest.

[DeeSpencer 26,649]

Don't mean to tear Cripps down but he's a 1st rate clearance midfielder, not quite the same as a first rate overall mid IMO. Great around stoppages, but doesn't do a lot of damage in general play. Although, that's not a surprise in a bad team.

[dazzledavey36 56,193]

I'm going to cop a wack for this but personally I think Cripps is overrated.. Hear people say he is the best young midfielder in the comp over the last 10 years.. WTF!? Il admit his clearance work is insane but watching him closely over the past 2 months his disposal needs a tidy up and he doesn't damage the opposition enough with them.. Funny how people have been putting up starts of Cripps compared to Judd Selwood etc..

This is Cripps 2nd season of AFL stats VS Other young players in their 2nd years.

Patrick Cripps 20 games Ollie Wines 22 (didn't include the 3 finals) Dustin Martin 22 games Jack Trengove 19 games Nat Fyfe 21 games

Disposal 471 Disposals 528 Disposals 33 goals Disposals 387 Disposals 527

Tackles 98 Tackles 110 Tackles 73 Tackles Tackles 100 Tackles 85

Goals 6 Marks 58 Goals 33 Goals 13 Goals 18

Marks 64 Goals 9 Marks 78 Marks 92 Marks 111

Paul Roos was right.. Why is their even a debate? The fact is the media have absolutely pumped up Cripps as a dime in a dozen once in a 10 year midfielder is absolutely laughable. Cripps will be a good midfielder like some of those names but the fact that's its a huge debate against Hogan??

A CHF who unlike Cripps had already played 5 games already last year in his debut year where Hogan missed all last year with a serious back injury. This is Hogans debut year. Its his first year of AFL footy end of story.

Sorry but if Cripps wins it tomorrow it will be an absolute disgrace and a sham of an award. Not buying into the huge hype surrounding Cripps. Not saying he will be a dud or anything he will be a super player for Carlton but Hogan is by far the best young key forward I have ever seen that's close to the Great Wayne Carey.

[Gator 18,051]

  On 08/09/2015 at 13:33, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm going to cop a wack for this but personally I think Cripps is overrated.. Hear people say he is the best young midfielder in the comp over the last 10 years.. WTF!? Il admit his clearance work is insane but watching him closely over the past 2 months his disposal needs a tidy up and he doesn't damage the opposition enough with them.. Funny how people have been putting up starts of Cripps compared to Judd Selwood etc..

This is Cripps 2nd season of AFL stats VS Other young players in their 2nd years.

Patrick Cripps 20 games Ollie Wines 22 (didn't include the 3 finals) Dustin Martin 22 games Jack Trengove 19 games Nat Fyfe 21 games

Disposal 471 Disposals 528 Disposals 33 goals Disposals 387 Disposals 527

Tackles 98 Tackles 110 Tackles 73 Tackles Tackles 100 Tackles 85

Goals 6 Marks 58 Goals 33 Goals 13 Goals 18

Marks 64 Goals 9 Marks 78 Marks 92 Marks 111

Paul Roos was right.. Why is their even a debate? The fact is the media have absolutely pumped up Cripps as a dime in a dozen once in a 10 year midfielder is absolutely laughable. Cripps will be a good midfielder like some of those names but the fact that's its a huge debate against Hogan??

A CHF who unlike Cripps had already played 5 games already last year in his debut year where Hogan missed all last year with a serious back injury. This is Hogans debut year. Its his first year of AFL footy end of story.

Sorry but if Cripps wins it tomorrow it will be an absolute disgrace and a sham of an award. Not buying into the huge hype surrounding Cripps. Not saying he will be a dud or anything he will be a super player for Carlton but Hogan is by far the best young key forward I have ever seen that's close to the Great Wayne Carey.

Wines is the only worthwhile comparison there.

[praha 11,267]

I do think Hogan is more deserving but I suspect the voters will have banded together to orchestrate a tie if there is one. I wouldn't be disappointing. I can't imagine Cripps winning it over Hogan. That would be outrageous.

As much as the game has changed over the past 5, 10, 15, 20 years, going back to the Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett years, fans and pundits still respect a good, consistent key forward. I can't see how you could possibly give Cripps more votes ahead of Hogan if you have at the very least a novice understanding of the game.

[daisycutter 29,987]

  On 08/09/2015 at 13:33, dazzledavey36 said:

I'm going to cop a wack for this but personally I think Cripps is overrated.. Hear people say he is the best young midfielder in the comp over the last 10 years.. WTF!? Il admit his clearance work is insane but watching him closely over the past 2 months his disposal needs a tidy up and he doesn't damage the opposition enough with them.. Funny how people have been putting up starts of Cripps compared to Judd Selwood etc..

This is Cripps 2nd season of AFL stats VS Other young players in their 2nd years.

Patrick Cripps 20 games Ollie Wines 22 (didn't include the 3 finals) Dustin Martin 22 games Jack Trengove 19 games Nat Fyfe 21 games

Disposal 471 Disposals 528 Disposals 33 goals Disposals 387 Disposals 527

Tackles 98 Tackles 110 Tackles 73 Tackles Tackles 100 Tackles 85

Goals 6 Marks 58 Goals 33 Goals 13 Goals 18

Marks 64 Goals 9 Marks 78 Marks 92 Marks 111

Paul Roos was right.. Why is their even a debate? The fact is the media have absolutely pumped up Cripps as a dime in a dozen once in a 10 year midfielder is absolutely laughable. Cripps will be a good midfielder like some of those names but the fact that's its a huge debate against Hogan??

A CHF who unlike Cripps had already played 5 games already last year in his debut year where Hogan missed all last year with a serious back injury. This is Hogans debut year. Its his first year of AFL footy end of story.

Sorry but if Cripps wins it tomorrow it will be an absolute disgrace and a sham of an award. Not buying into the huge hype surrounding Cripps. Not saying he will be a dud or anything he will be a super player for Carlton but Hogan is by far the best young key forward I have ever seen that's close to the Great Wayne Carey.

i don't disagree with you dd, but someone like matt priddis is similar in being a clearance king but not too damaging in general play and he was good enough for a brownlow.

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,663]

  On 08/09/2015 at 22:52, daisycutter said:

i don't disagree with you dd, but someone like matt priddis is similar in being a clearance king but not too damaging in general play and he was good enough for a brownlow.

The brownlow is a farce now anyway. It should just be re-named the best midfielder award.

I hope that changes with Goldstein winning this year but it's unlikely.

[Little Goffy 14,876]

Ha ha, if it comes out as a tie, the two will spend the next half a decade being compared, like Naitanui and Watts. And the comparison will be almost as one-sided.

Melbourne kickd 225 goals this season. Hogan kicked 44 of them and had 16 goal assists. That's more than a quarter of our scoring coming through him, and even so, he spent a lot of time well up the ground providing links.

Like the 'Us v St Kilda' thread, having to make this comparison of Hogan v Cripps is a real pleasure and gives me confidence for the future.

Hogan is it, a true champion player at the Melbourne Football Club. At last.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,125]

  On 08/09/2015 at 12:43, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

Last year there were 10 judges. Have the judges been listed yet?

Still would be remarkable if it were split 5 v 5.

I'd rather Hogan lose than a tie to be honest.

The Age reports today that the judges are the All Australian selectors plus Kevin Sheehan. I can't find the link, but I know that group includes Mark Evans, Luke Darcy, Kevin Bartlett and Danny Frawley.

The judges had to vote 5,4,3,2,1 by yesterday and provide their votes in a sealed envelope to be opened at the ceremony today. Whether they meet prior to voting to discuss contenders or (heaven forbid) collude to get a "preferred" outcome, I have no idea.

[GrandOld 367]

As long as he plays as well as he has this year and better for years to come I don't care if he wins or not. Just another [censored] title

[daisycutter 29,987]

  On 08/09/2015 at 23:41, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The Age reports today that the judges are the All Australian selectors plus Kevin Sheehan. I can't find the link, but I know that group includes Mark Evans, Luke Darcy, Kevin Bartlett and Danny Frawley.

The judges had to vote 5,4,3,2,1 by yesterday and provide their votes in a sealed envelope to be opened at the ceremony today. Whether they meet prior to voting to discuss contenders or (heaven forbid) collude to get a "preferred" outcome, I have no idea.

the hun showed all the judges. there were 10 including as you said 2 x afl and sheehan

[jnrmac 20,330]

I like the schoolyrad test. Line em up against a wall and who would you pick first, It would be Hogan every time

Who here would take Lewis Taylor over Marcus Bontempelli???/

[Little Richard 6,265]

Put money on Petracca to win it next year.

[Hulkamania Brother 52]

Am still thinking about that mark/goal from Sunday. What a star.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,125]

  On 09/09/2015 at 00:38, Hulkamania Brother said:

Am still thinking about that mark/goal from Sunday. What a star.

Which one? The mark running in from the side in the goal square where he played on straight away and kicked the goal? Or the one at the end of the third quarter where I thought the interchange umpire wasn't doing his job as I believed there were 23 Giants players hanging off him as he took the mark?

Both were things of beauty.

[Willmoy1947 4,249]

If Cripps wins this there will be a few on that panel like Frawley and Darcy who probably just made up the numbers.

[binman 44,776]

  On 09/09/2015 at 00:42, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Which one? The mark running in from the side in the goal square where he played on straight away and kicked the goal? Or the one at the end of the third quarter where I thought the interchange umpire wasn't doing his job as I believed there were 23 Giants players hanging off him as he took the mark?

Both were things of beauty.

The mark i really liked was the one he took on the city side wing from a kick from Dunn ( at 22 second mark of this video). I was sitting on that side and said to my mate before Dunn kicked it that Hogan would demand the ball and take the mark. Dunn was a little slow to get it to him but kicked it out in front and with no one in the hole Jesse was never not going to mark it. Great use of the body and super clean hands.

Been said before but he is just a natural footballer and the most talented player we've had at the club since Schwarz markI (ie prior to his first knee injury).

[Chris 2,892]

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-09/afl-medias-rising-star-tips

Jennifer Phelan has Kamden McIntosh in the top five, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

  On 08/09/2015 at 09:55, Lucifer said:

9 judges each issuing 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 across 23 players.

I don't know the probability of a tie but would think it very low.

If its a tie then I would wonder if McLachlan and Evans have been pulling strings.

It pretty much can't be a tie when you think about it, because if every voter gives them the top 2 it will be player A (5x5+4x4) = 41 and player B (4x5+5x4) =40

The only way a tie could happen is if someone gives hogan or cripps a 3

[John Dee 445]

  On 08/09/2015 at 02:54, Earl Hood said:

A couple of marks of the year (Jurrah and Howe) is all I think

Michael Newton

[H_T 3,049]

  On 09/09/2015 at 01:24, Curry & Beer said:

It pretty much can't be a tie when you think about it, because if every voter gives them the top 2 it will be player A (5x5+4x4) = 41 and player B (4x5+5x4) =40

The only way a tie could happen is if someone gives hogan or cripps a 3

Correct, don't be surprised if that happens.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,674]

  On 09/09/2015 at 01:23, Chris said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-09-09/afl-medias-rising-star-tips

Jennifer Phelan has Kamden McIntosh in the top five, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Who has who?

[Little Richard 6,265]

  On 09/09/2015 at 01:28, John Dee said:

Michael Newton

It was a very good mark too. What a strange career.

Still remember what I think was his last game, at Etihad against the Roos. Kicked like 2.2 in the first quarter, with about 12 kicks and 6 marks. At quarter time I thought, 'he's finally clicked' and he proceeded to do nothing for the rest of the match and we lost after being in a very commanding position early on.

MFC memories.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,674]

  On 09/09/2015 at 01:30, H_T said:

Correct, don't be surprised if that happens.

Not if there is 10 judges as posted already.