On 17/02/2015 at 05:12, Curry & Beer said:

aren't Hogan and Toumpas living proof that you can get hurt and come back strongly?

On which planet have they come back strongly? One's yet to play a game, the other hasn't been able to string them together.

  On 17/02/2015 at 05:12, Curry & Beer said:

As for Blease, Tapscott and Strauss, can you believe they played 105 games between them? About 3 of those games were good ones because they were spud players who spent most of their time not making an impact down at Casey

You're missing the point; it's got nothing to do with ability, and everything to do with them being high-end draft picks who were hampered early on by injury.

I'm not blaming all our problems on these injuries, or our shite record over the last decade, but most objective people - including the footy journos, it seems - would agree we've been stiff with injuries in recent times.

Hogan and Petracca alone is enough to validate that opinion.

  On 17/02/2015 at 05:09, Curry & Beer said:

Didn't we catch a break getting PJ and Roos? What about getting Viney and Stretch a full round later than what they were worth? What about 2 compo picks for Scully? What about pick 3 for Frawley? What about effectively swapping Vince for Sylvia? All of that in the last 2-3 years. We did well to get Clark, and even after everything that happened we still have Lumumba as a result. Yes we have had a bad run but it's overblown by most - in any case, I don't know why this injury to Petracca has to be placed in some historical context, with every 2nd poster referencing some sort of 'curse' as if it were their original thought. CP's ACL is a bad one, but there are plenty of players I would have been more aggreived for it to happen to this year, and if CP had to have this injury I am glad it is now rather than when he is 26 and we are pushing for a flag

There was some luck in getting PJ as it appeared the AFL delivered him on a silver platter.

I wouldn't put Roos down to luck - rather great work by PJ in attracting him. And while we may have got PJ in fortunate circumstances I don't think we can say the same about Roos, otherwise every decision PJ makes would come down to the 'luck' in originally getting him (rather than good management on his behalf). We are also paying Roos a handsome wage - there's no luck in that.

Viney lucky at pick 26? What beacause GWS and GC didn't nominate picks 1 and 2 in the draft for him? Do you reckon you'd give up pick 1 or 2 if you were GWS or GC. He was always touted as a first rounder, never a top 2 pick. He only slid to 26 because that's just the application of the father son rule which applies equally to all clubs.

2 compo picks for Scully is lucky? Again, it was the application of the rule. To prize him away from us GWS had to pay him a fortune. We were then compensated for this under pre-established rules. I don't call that luck.

Vince for Sylvia? Luck? You cannot be serious - that's just clever recruiting in using the Sylvia pick to bring Bernie across.

I think you are confusing 'good things' we have done with 'lucky things'. I'm not saying there hasn't been good news - of course there has. But, in terms of pure 'pot luck' which you have no control over, we've had a really bad run.

  On 17/02/2015 at 05:59, Webber said:

There is no greater incidence of hamstring injuries post ACL reconstruction where the hamstring is used as the graft. The hamstring 'group' (3 muscles) compensate as a collective to take over the progressive loads imposed during rehab. The surgery is a very elegant and efficient process. The graft length is computer calibrated to be anatomically correct, and anchored to the bones top and bottom of the knee (femur and tibia). That graft is initially dead tissue, but over the period of 5 to 6 months, the blood supply re-establishes through the bony attachments, such that it becomes fully vascular, and therefore a self regenerating tissue. It is 'living' and able to absorb the stresses applied. Fully competitive, full speed multidirectional sport is allowed at 9 months. At the elite level, there are seldom variations to this timeline, and the outcome is as if the ACL had never been damaged.

Top post!

  On 17/02/2015 at 05:59, Webber said:

There is no greater incidence of hamstring injuries post ACL reconstruction where the hamstring is used as the graft. The hamstring 'group' (3 muscles) compensate as a collective to take over the progressive loads imposed during rehab. The surgery is a very elegant and efficient process. The graft length is computer calibrated to be anatomically correct, and anchored to the bones top and bottom of the knee (femur and tibia). That graft is initially dead tissue, but over the period of 5 to 6 months, the blood supply re-establishes through the bony attachments, such that it becomes fully vascular, and therefore a self regenerating tissue. It is 'living' and able to absorb the stresses applied. Fully competitive, full speed multidirectional sport is allowed at 9 months. At the elite level, there are seldom variations to this timeline, and the outcome is as if the ACL had never been damaged.

Wow, I am not sure that I understand your computer generated opinion but gee it is an impressive one. Why is it that your description makes me feel more concerned about this injury despite the fact that "the outcome is as if the ACL had never been damaged". Perhaps I should simply be content that we have a young gun that has an injury that will repair as if it had never been damaged.

  On 17/02/2015 at 05:41, old dee said:

How is the knighthood going Sir wyl?

Any benefits flowing yet?

No not yet. Keep checking the mailbox for invitations!

  On 17/02/2015 at 06:15, Scoop Junior said:

There was some luck in getting PJ as it appeared the AFL delivered him on a silver platter.

I wouldn't put Roos down to luck - rather great work by PJ in attracting him. And while we may have got PJ in fortunate circumstances I don't think we can say the same about Roos, otherwise every decision PJ makes would come down to the 'luck' in originally getting him (rather than good management on his behalf). We are also paying Roos a handsome wage - there's no luck in that.

Viney lucky at pick 26? What beacause GWS and GC didn't nominate picks 1 and 2 in the draft for him? Do you reckon you'd give up pick 1 or 2 if you were GWS or GC. He was always touted as a first rounder, never a top 2 pick. He only slid to 26 because that's just the application of the father son rule which applies equally to all clubs.

2 compo picks for Scully is lucky? Again, it was the application of the rule. To prize him away from us GWS had to pay him a fortune. We were then compensated for this under pre-established rules. I don't call that luck.

Vince for Sylvia? Luck? You cannot be serious - that's just clever recruiting in using the Sylvia pick to bring Bernie across.

I think you are confusing 'good things' we have done with 'lucky things'. I'm not saying there hasn't been good news - of course there has. But, in terms of pure 'pot luck' which you have no control over, we've had a really bad run.

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  On 17/02/2015 at 06:02, dazzledavey36 said:

How are Hogan and Toumpas living proof that they have come back strongly?

One is yet to debut and the other is still borderline best 22

Because they are both cherry ripe and available for selection round 1. Obviously.

  On 17/02/2015 at 06:15, Scoop Junior said:

There was some luck in getting PJ as it appeared the AFL delivered him on a silver platter.

I wouldn't put Roos down to luck - rather great work by PJ in attracting him. And while we may have got PJ in fortunate circumstances I don't think we can say the same about Roos, otherwise every decision PJ makes would come down to the 'luck' in originally getting him (rather than good management on his behalf). We are also paying Roos a handsome wage - there's no luck in that.

Viney lucky at pick 26? What beacause GWS and GC didn't nominate picks 1 and 2 in the draft for him? Do you reckon you'd give up pick 1 or 2 if you were GWS or GC. He was always touted as a first rounder, never a top 2 pick. He only slid to 26 because that's just the application of the father son rule which applies equally to all clubs.

2 compo picks for Scully is lucky? Again, it was the application of the rule. To prize him away from us GWS had to pay him a fortune. We were then compensated for this under pre-established rules. I don't call that luck.

Vince for Sylvia? Luck? You cannot be serious - that's just clever recruiting in using the Sylvia pick to bring Bernie across.

I think you are confusing 'good things' we have done with 'lucky things'. I'm not saying there hasn't been good news - of course there has. But, in terms of pure 'pot luck' which you have no control over, we've had a really bad run.

what's the difference? the way you are defining something as 'lucky' there is no such thing

you are saying there is only bad luck or nothing

  On 17/02/2015 at 07:09, Curry & Beer said:

Because they are both cherry ripe and available for selection round 1. Obviously.

And both have come back from completely different injuries. I get your point, but your comparison doesn't support it at all.

Petracca's injury could be a blessing if he fully recovers. He will not have as much pressure on him when he plays in 2016. It may also give a chance for a player from the rookie list to shine and Brayshaw may get plenty of opportunities in the starting 22. It may also mean Billy Stretch gets a game this season. It's probably not going to affect how many games we win this season.

  On 17/02/2015 at 07:09, Curry & Beer said:

Because they are both cherry ripe and available for selection round 1. Obviously.

Yeah we were saying that with Hogan last year.. They have to get through NAB cup first.

Dom Tyson is a perfect example of when coming back strongly from a serious injury. Did his PCL in 2013 and missed a huge chunck of the year. Then did his hammy and missed first half of the pre season. The rest is history. He is now flying 100% fit.

W are obviously yet to see how both Hogan and Toumpas bodies will react come Nab cup.

  On 17/02/2015 at 07:20, Thehardtackler said:

Petracca's injury could be a blessing if he fully recovers. He will not have as much pressure on him when he plays in 2016. It may also give a chance for a player from the rookie list to shine and Brayshaw may get plenty of opportunities in the starting 22. It may also mean Billy Stretch gets a game this season. It's probably not going to affect how many games we win this season.

It won't be a blessing and it would've been better off not happening. But now that it has happened, he will be able to still gain a lot from the experience. It will make him better prepared - both mentally and physically, it will make him even more hungry. The injury will give him time to assess what it takes to be an AFL player from the inside and outside. He will get to spend a lot of time with Jack Trengove, a former captain and student of the game, this will benefit Petracca greatly. Spending time with Trengove will help his mindset, because Trengove has a point to prove himself.

Heard young Christian on the 9 News he sounds a very level headed young man.

Seemed very cheerful and upbeat.

2016 looking good

Those of you trying to take a "holier than thou" attitude and putting down those who are disappointed, upset, [censored] off or depressed about this news are pathetic. If you prefer to look on this as a "glass half full" situation good on you, that's your prerogative - but denigrating others upset that yet another of our "young guns" has a season ending injury before his careers begun and putting them down as whingers and losers is disgraceful. If we can't find sympathy and wallow in our despair on a MFC forum amongst fellow die hards then I don't know what the point is (and yes I get the whole it's only football/get some perspective - I'm not distraught over it but it's [censored] annoying!)

  On 17/02/2015 at 07:59, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah we were saying that with Hogan last year.. They have to get through NAB cup first.

Dom Tyson is a perfect example of when coming back strongly from a serious injury. Did his PCL in 2013 and missed a huge chunck of the year. Then did his hammy and missed first half of the pre season. The rest is history. He is now flying 100% fit.

W are obviously yet to see how both Hogan and Toumpas bodies will react come Nab cup.

Yet you and many others have already chalked their names up on the 'MFC bad luck omg we're cursed' board

At this stage they are just three kids that had early injuries and nothing more

If neither of them nor Petracca ever play a game I will concede you the point

  On 17/02/2015 at 08:40, Dr. Gonzo said:

Those of you trying to take a "holier than thou" attitude and putting down those who are disappointed, upset, [censored] off or depressed about this news are pathetic. If you prefer to look on this as a "glass half full" situation good on you, that's your prerogative - but denigrating others upset that yet another of our "young guns" has a season ending injury before his careers begun and putting them down as whingers and losers is disgraceful. If we can't find sympathy and wallow in our despair on a MFC forum amongst fellow die hards then I don't know what the point is (and yes I get the whole it's only football/get some perspective - I'm not distraught over it but it's [censored] annoying!)

So you're upset, and you come to this board hoping to find other upset people crying about it

instead you find a few level-headed folks pointing out that the facts of the matter are really not all that bad, in attempt to make you less upset

and that just upsets you more

so you like being upset basically

Warren Dean played as a half forward. Earl Spalding played centre half back.

The bottom line is every club has its catalogue of fateful afflictions. Many of ours were self-inflicted, let's not dwell on them, let's look forward to 2015, signs are promising.

  On 17/02/2015 at 08:57, Curry & Beer said:

So you're upset, and you come to this board hoping to find other upset people crying about it

instead you find a few level-headed folks pointing out that the facts of the matter are really not all that bad, in attempt to make you less upset

and that just upsets you more

so you like being upset basically

So you're clearly not lumping yourself in with those few folk then?

  On 17/02/2015 at 01:58, chook fowler said:

I don't think The Norm Smith curse has anything to do with it.

The problems started when we stopped sacrificing virgins.

Well who are you going to blame for that Chook?

See if you can find a virgin!!!

  On 17/02/2015 at 09:31, Abstemious said:

Well who are you going to blame for that Chook?

See if you can find a virgin!!!

Virgin on the ridiculous.

So his brother has done an ACL as well. Let's hope it's not a Menzel-type situation.

I guess this means round 1 2016 we'll be saying it's like we have another new recruit at the club, in a way, kinda. Well, sort of. Um.... actually not really. Er, I'll close the door on my way out.

Christian Petracca

What an outstanding attitude from the young man. My gut tells me that it will be worth every minute of the wait until he finally runs out onto the G in our colours.

Interesting study (picked up via Twitter). Looking at incidence of injury amongst first year and emerging players:

http://www.jsams.org/article/S1440-2440(14)00640-9/abstract

" Emerging players were significantly less likely to remain injury free in games than established players ... A similar outcome was seen in training sessions, although to a lesser degree"

You'd have to wonder whether we're not going to start to see young players really eased into it for their first season or two.

Better a new kid than Jones.

That is all I will console myself with.

Still shitz me to tears.