Patrick Dangerfield

[Mach5 4,490]

So, if the cats were willing to trade re Motlop has their position changed?

Motlop wouldn't sign.

He had a change of heart and has now signed.

They were always reluctant to lose him, but if you have to, you might as well use him to get Danger.

[rjay 24,067]

Motlop wouldn't sign.

He had a change of heart and has now signed.

They were always reluctant to lose him, but if you have to, you might as well use him to get Danger.

Do you think they are willing to trade someone or something for Danger?

It seems they were.

...and if so, are the media beating this one up a bit.

[praha 10,369]

Geelong is going to have to pay overs to get him. Adelaide will match and pay him $1 million a year. Geelong will have to part with 2 first-round picks and a player because their picks alone won't do it.

Can Geelong afford to give up draft picks at this stage? Danger is only 25, but...they're going to lose a lot of experience over the next few years and I'm not as encouraged by their depth as their fans are.

[beelzebub 22,376]

Do you think they are willing to trade someone or something for Danger?

It seems they were.

...and if so, are the media beating this one up a bit.

Its a good question(s)

Without doubt this has been brewing for some time. Obviously Geelong knew a bit before the Crows But they all have known for long enough to have formulated a battle strategy for all of this.

Also beyond doubt the 4th estate are sensationalising it all as much as possible....sells papers.

This looks to me like a game of "blink". Adelaide can steer it their way ( to best possible outcome ) but they are also then treading a fine line.

Going to be interesting to see who blinks first. What we do have though is two Clubs that are sensible enough to get deals done.

[Return to Glory 7,802]

Its a good question(s)

Without doubt this has been brewing for some time. Obviously Geelong knew a bit before the Crows But they all have known for long enough to have formulated a battle strategy for all of this.

Also beyond doubt the 4th estate are sensationalising it all as much as possible....sells papers.

This looks to me like a game of "blink". Adelaide can steer it their way ( to best possible outcome ) but they are also then treading a fine line.

Going to be interesting to see who blinks first. What we do have though is two Clubs that are sensible enough to get deals done.

Can another club, such as Melbourne, say that if you let him through to PSD we will stump up picks and players greater than what Geelong is offering?

[Akum 2,660]

Caro said the same last night.

She added that Danger was determined to get to Geelong without them giving anything up. Ostensibly, because he wants them to be successful when he gets there so he doesn't want them to trade and give up their 1st round pick(s)/player.

She said that he might do a 'Luke Ball' (same Manager) and go into the PSD.

But Garry (God bless him) piped up and said he would never get past the teams below Geelong...paraphrasing here: Demons would throw the cheque book at him and work out later how to get him to love playing for the club.

That would put the 'cat' among the pigeons for the AFL...of course it won't get to that.

We may need more popcorn!

Am I getting this right?

So Danger wants to get to Geelong without them giving anything up to get him, but instead he wants to s*** all over Adelaide who would get a single solitary pick that's worse than Geelong's first rounder? And even though he's letting Geelong pay him an artificially low contract (if $800K p.a. is the true amount) by rejecting higher ("market-priced") offers from other clubs?

I have no great love for the Crows, but I hope they bleed 'em dry! This year's first round plus future first round as a minimum, and for good measure throw in Blicavs!

Edited September 22, 2015 by Akum

[jnrmac 19,328]

Absolutely HH. We appear to be desperate for Jake Melksham (Jake Melksham.... ffs) and Henderson and Dangerfield wander in to Deliverance Town for a song. Equalization appears to be an absolute ripper. And surely it's time for one of the major political parties to commit a couple of mill to another Kardinia Park upgrade, what with the 20 members from other clubs looking for somewhere to sit. It's been over 5 months now.

I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore. Go Dees.

That's a bit rich don't you think?

[jnrmac 19,328]

Can another club, such as Melbourne, say that if you let him through to PSD we will stump up picks and players greater than what Geelong is offering?

IN the PDS you don't need to trade picks. The player nominates their price and anyone can pay it.

Luke Ball did the same and we could have picked him up for $500k a year. Instead we called at pick 17 Luke................................................................................................................................................... Tapscott

[Return to Glory 7,802]

That's a bit rich don't you think?

Ok jnrmac, keen on. I'm not seeing a bidding war for golden gloves.

[Return to Glory 7,802]

IN the PDS you don't need to trade picks. The player nominates their price and anyone can pay it.

Luke Ball did the same and we could have picked him up for $500k a year. Instead we called at pick 17 Luke................................................................................................................................................... Tapscott

Luke had a strong season at Sorrento.

[Akum 2,660]

IN the PDS you don't need to trade picks. The player nominates their price and anyone can pay it.

Luke Ball did the same and we could have picked him up for $500k a year. Instead we called at pick 17 Luke................................................................................................................................................... Tapscott

But Luke Ball had medical issues, and only one club had access to the all-important medical report. That's the only reason that nobody else could call their bluff, the unknown medical risk was too much. There's no such risk with Danger.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Equalisation is the most important thing in the AFL.

Trading and free agency should have nothing to do with it.

[Gorgoroth 12,365]

I hope Adelaide match it and if Danger goes into PSD and he is there at pick 6 we better bloody take him.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I hope Adelaide match it and if Danger goes into PSD and he is there at pick 6 we better bloody take him.

Because Carlton, St Kilda and Essendon would all pass on him.

[Akum 2,660]

Because Carlton, St Kilda and Essendon would all pass on him.

They'd have to have $800,000+ p.a. in the kitty tho'

[Return to Glory 7,802]

Because Carlton, St Kilda and Essendon would all pass on him.

Apparently he isn't a good fit for these. We, of course, can fit him in but he'd be head to head with Mitchie for a spot so no guarantees.

[Return to Glory 7,802]

They'd have to have $800,000+ p.a. in the kitty tho'

Chump change for those Bomber Drug Czars and there's a vacant spot at Visey.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Return to Glory

[PaulRB 6,043]

[Moonshadow 16,412]

Has a FA offer ever been matched by the player's current club with the view to trade for value? Not aware of one yet.

If that happens, how about we get in on the mix:

Adelaide get Geelong's 2015 and 2016 first round picks and Jimmy Toumpas.

Geelong gets Danger and gives up 2 x 1st rounders and Horlin-Smith (or insert alternative GFC player name here).

Melbourne gives up Toumpas and gets Horlin-Smith (or, as above)

[daisycutter 28,704]

Can another club, such as Melbourne, say that if you let him through to PSD we will stump up picks and players greater than what Geelong is offering?

no trading in nd and psd. player can set his own contract terms. if you bid you accept those terms. nothing for original club

so if he sets $800k as per cat's offer and goes intp psd (or nd). demons could pick him up for $800k. no need to bid over

same true for any club with pick before geelong

[Fat Tony 4,538]

If Adelaide match the offer, can Dangerfield then set different contractual terms if he enters the National or Pre-Season Draft?

[daisycutter 28,704]

If Adelaide match the offer, can Dangerfield then set different contractual terms if he enters the National or Pre-Season Draft?

of course, because then he is opting to not go the fa path. just as in the past when out of contract and not agreeing to a trade

so options are....fa..>...trade...>...draft (with/without conditions)....>....sit-out for 12 months

Edited September 22, 2015 by daisycutter

[rpfc 27,646]

If Adelaide match the offer, can Dangerfield then set different contractual terms if he enters the National or Pre-Season Draft?

Wow, what a question.

I don't think that has even been thought of at AFL HQ - not writing things down allows them to make something up that best suits the narrative that plays better in the media so I really cannot tell you.

But it isn't written down anywhere...

I would say they will allow him to name different contract terms if he enters the draft, as it will give Geelong the best chance to grab him, and really the AFL wants the player to go wherever he wants to go so that the PFA doesn't have 'Restraint of Trade' fit.

[Fat Tony 4,538]

Wow, what a question.

I don't think that has even been thought of at AFL HQ - not writing things down allows them to make something up that best suits the narrative that plays better in the media so I really cannot tell you.

But it isn't written down anywhere...

I would say they will allow him to name different contract terms if he enters the draft, as it will give Geelong the best chance to grab him, and really the AFL wants the player to go wherever he wants to go so that the PFA doesn't have 'Restraint of Trade' fit.

I think this is probably correct.

It will be interesting / borderline draft tampering if Dangerfield initially accepts 5 x $800,000 via free agency and then goes into the draft asking for 2 x $1,800,000 but with an undisclosed side deal to play for base salary for three more years.

[daisycutter 28,704]

I think this is probably correct.

It will be interesting / borderline draft tampering if Dangerfield initially accepts 5 x $800,000 via free agency and then goes into the draft asking for 2 x $1,800,000 but with an undisclosed side deal to play for base salary for three more years.

your last bit would obviously be illegal and so obvious down the track i doubt geelong would risk the ramifications

this also assumes that at draft time geelong would have 1.8m left in the cap. it would have to be a lot more subtle than that and pass the afl sniff test