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[Toorak 108]

Should be interesting. Lets see if they tell us something we don't already know.

[dazzledavey36 54,946]

Should be interesting. Lets see if they tell us something we don't already know.

Can you update us ones that don't have foxtel?

[whatwhat say what 22,767]

Blind faith in Roos was King's assessment at this stage based on the 'disastrous' stats, particularly in terms of pressure at the end of games (last quarters).

Any other coach and there'd be questions raised.

[whatwhat say what 22,767]

Maclure says we need to start attacking and taking the game on, kicking to contests.

King said that we just have meandered over the last 6-7 weeks.

Maclure reckons the players are sick of defensive mindset first.

[wattsup 470]

Well that was a joke, trade young players to get more young players well that makes sence

[whatwhat say what 22,767]

King says

- pick 3 and 21

- chip leaves, get pick 4

- pick 20-25 for Watts (Maclure said don't trade him)

- Toumpas on the table, King says Port's first pick, possibly not on his own, and Maclure thinks he's worth 2 or 3rd round

- Trengove or Grimes for a second round pick, upgraded first round pick alongside Watts / pick for Watts

Interesting.

[dbj1983 138]

Was pretty much spot on IMO.

[whatwhat say what 22,767]

It was weird, he was talking about 5 picks inside 21, but I don't see that there.

[Guest]

I hate to say it but these blokes just look for headlines. Sellars Maclure said as much during an Open Mike interview.

Those stats about last quarter pressure aren't irrelevant but they don't take into account the context of the situation that Roos walked into. From 2012-13, last quarter fadeouts and reduced pressure then were irrelevant as we weren't in the game to start off with.
I would ask David King what he actually suggests we do? When he carried on about Neeld, he wouldn't just come out and say he should be sacked. I would say he is pulling a similar performance again to get his name in the paper.

It's just pot stirring. We have set forth a plan. The plan has been given 3 years. Roos has always said the plan was to move us away from being a 2 win, 50 percent team. As far as I can tell, we have achieved that fairly simple goal. It's not time to panic and lose our s*** about what two blokes who sound more like the following video than serious footy commentators.

Edited August 13, 2014 by Colin B. Flaubert

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

Trengove and toumpas have far too much theoretical upside to trade for a bad pick, watts and grimes might fetch a better deal

I think our attacking game suffered because of our skill errors and Hogan being injured

[Davos 921]

Well that was a joke, trade young players to get more young players well that makes sence

I don't think it was a joke. Definitely worth some thought. If Roosy doesn't see Toumpas/Grimes/Trengove as part of the future we should put them on the table.

I agree with Maclure, I'd keep Watts.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

brutal.

[chook fowler 19,459]

Bloody depressing. Can't see the logic in trading Toumpas or Trengove. Ambivalent about Grimes.

The thing that concerns me is King has been right about us in the past but feel it is far too early to question a Roos.

If he doesn't work out we're stuffed.

Bring on the cricket.

[jazza 1,323]

Much honesty and common sense from King and Mclure.

Think PR is already going to go down that track anyway.

Thank god it wasnt a DL poster that wrote this.

They would be scolded by the gin drinkers.

Please kingy,dont give up on extolling your ideas about our club.

[wattsup 470]

But they were saying they don't understand why toumpas hasn't been playing well that just proves how much research they put into it, bit hard to play with after having surgery

[Gorgoroth 12,955]

To be fair, Gerard said to them "be bold!"

So they wanted out there scenarios. Kingy then did that.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

King and Maclure FMD!!! About the only positive in those two is that they are marginally better than Robbo.

They are all headline hunters. There are so many journo parasites sucking off the AFL, the only way to get attention is to have a bigger mouth/headline.

They are all mostly bull shite.

Edited August 13, 2014 by Bitter but optimistic

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

The other thing I find interesting is the doomsday vibe they seem to be thrusting on us, I think its been a Much improved year with good indications after another change over and pre season we will be in a good position

[Coup Cooper 610]

David King was a great footballer. But he is a complete negetive nancy and a [censored] and Maclure hasn't been relevant since he played for Carlton!

[P-man 13,366]

Why give up on Toumpas yet? At no stage did King acknowledge his surgery/illness setbacks. He just said he hasn't been playing. Did he even know of them?

I think we need to give Watts another year under Roos. He has shown SOME intermittent signs this year of the penny dropping. That said, Pick 20 or thereabouts would give pause for thought.

It would be a heartbreaker if Trenners was traded after his foot surgery and went on to star for another club. I seriously doubt he's going anywhere so it's a moot point.

It's a discussion that needs to be had, but I don't think King provided the answers. Being bold is one thing, but sacrificing two young talents (picks 2 & 4) with everything still ahead of them isn't helpful and isn't going to happen I wouldn't think

Edited August 13, 2014 by P-man

[Deemonic 7]

Yeah let's trade out talented players for more high end speculative draft picks. Worked for us in the past.

King is an idiot. We should do the opposite and follow the same strategy as this year and trade early picks for ready made talent. That's being bold

[Gorgoroth 12,955]

Seriously, I can't believe people are getting their knickers in a knot.

The whole thing was not what we should do, it was a bold idea of fast tracking and a way to get 5 picks in the top 20ish.

So, going along with what was asked, Kingy came up with a way to achieve it.

Other than Toumpas, a lot of people have said to trade Trenners, Grimes and Watts at various times.

[Guest]

Why give up on Toumpas yet? At no stage did King acknowledge his surgery/illness setbacks. He just said he hasn't been playing. Did he even know of them?

I think we need to give Watts another year under Roos. He has shown SOME intermittent signs this year of the penny dropping. That said, Pick 20 or thereabouts would give pause for thought.

It would be a heartbreaker if Trenners was traded after his foot surgery and went on to star for another club. I seriously doubt he's going anywhere so it's a moot point.

It's a discussion that needs to be had, but I don't think King provided the answers. Being bold is one thing, but sacrificing two young talents (picks 2 & 4) with everything still ahead of them isn't helpful and isn't going to happen I wouldn't think

Watts and Grimes? I don't think it's an issue to trade either but I would more reticent to trade Grimes.

Toumpas? The jury is potentially out if he has another year like this one (before injury). He was struggling to get into the firsts and his name wasn't being bandied about much for senior recall.

Trenners? No. The club dumped a boat load of pressure on him by giving him the captaincy. He has potentially played injured and as soon as he takes a year off to get his body right (meaning he sees himself as a part of our long term future), we trade him away. That would send a bloody horrible message to the group and the AFL in general.

Edited August 13, 2014 by Colin B. Flaubert

[whatwhat say what 22,767]

Based upon following the 'logic' of King's thinking, what about:

3 and 21, plus 4 when Frawley goes.

Trade Toumpas gives us pick 14 from Port - I'd do that before his value falls

Grimes and Watts to Footscray or Carlton - instead of say an Essendon, who hold around pick 12 - for pick 5 or 6 and a player who can be straight into 22, say Dalhaus / Wallis / Hunter from Footscray, or Levi Casboult (who I doubt Blues would give up)?

That'd leave us with 3 and 4, 5/6, 14 and 21.

I would then look at trading 4 and 5/6 for another couple of ready made body, Shiel being the one I would love to get, plus another (say Jaksch or Tomlinson, O'Rourke).

Edited August 13, 2014 by DemonAndrew

[jumbo returns 6,741]

The GWS boys have made a pact to stay together.

You can forget about Shiel, Boyd, Patton, Cameron, Tomlinson etc etc.