Post Match Discussion - Round 18

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

No idea why you're being a smartass

I said 'we've'

As in all MFC supporters. If you can show me where I said only me or a few supporters please point it out

You just whine too much for me, I've been through the same 7 years, lots of us have, WE KNOW

[picket fence 16,655]

He's doing a job at the moment. If he keeps doing that, he'll keep getting games.

He kept Boak under 20 possessions today. He had 39 last week.

Nup not good enough! Boak was still influential. If all you can do is negate then keep a bloke down to a few miserable touches otherwise develop another side to your game.

That miss from 20 m out wasan elementary shot for goal even for a park footballer.

As I have said until we get better players who can do more than negate ,then we are consigned to the cellar!

[rjay 24,592]

Nup not good enough! Boak was still influential. If all you can do is negate then keep a bloke down to a few miserable touches otherwise develop another side to your game.

That miss from 20 m out wasan elementary shot for goal even for a park footballer.

As I have said until we get better players who can do more than negate ,then we are consigned to the cellar!

It's where we a missing Cross at the moment. He not only does the job on an opposition player but still gets a lot of ball himself.

[Ted Lasso 18,780]

It's where we a missing Cross at the moment. He not only does the job on an opposition player but still gets a lot of ball himself.

I reckon Cross would have gone to Polec again if he had played, did a fantastic job last time

[Pennant St Dee 12,659]

No Nutbean its not.The question is; they are young we are young and they run out games better than most. So why cant our team?

Yesterday wasn't a loss due to Port running out the game better than us, as Old Dee has said it was down to skill errors.

Grimes copped a lot for the out of bounds but the game was littered with basic skill and fundamental errors in not being switched on

Mckenzie and Riley missing easy shots in the first quarter

Wingards first quarter mark leaving a difficult shot from the pocket, handpass to an unmanned Westhoff in the goal square - Unforgivable

Jones playing on and running into the wall of Port players with the game in the balance

Jack Watts not going 100% in the first quarter with Robbie Gray for a disputed ball which resulted in a goal

I'm sure I could dissect the game properly and find many more but there is a 24 point turnaround in the result, by just doing the basics. None of those I have named I would consider young players of them all Riley lacks games experience

[Ted Lasso 18,780]

Yesterday wasn't a loss due to Port running out the game better than us, as Old Dee has said it was down to skill errors.

Grimes copped a lot for the out of bounds but the game was littered with basic skill and fundamental errors in not being switched on

Mckenzie and Riley missing easy shots in the first quarter

Wingards first quarter mark leaving a difficult shot from the pocket, handpass to an unmanned Westhoff in the goal square - Unforgivable

Jones playing on and running into the wall of Port players with the game in the balance

Jack Watts not going 100% in the first quarter with Robbie Gray for a disputed ball which resulted in a goal

I'm sure I could dissect the game properly and find many more but there is a 24 point turnaround in the result, by just doing the basics. None of those I have named I would consider young players of them all Riley lacks games experience

Watts could have knocked him into next week, I wonder how much of not wanting to get suspended came into his not getting low, personally i'd be happy for him to get a ban just to see that sort of intent from Watts

[Nasher 33,607]

personally i'd be happy for him to get a ban just to see that sort of intent from Watts

I'd be filthy. I have no time for players doing silly things and getting rubbed out.

[What 18,810]

You just whine too much for me, I've been through the same 7 years, lots of us have, WE KNOW

and as i mentioned, still some supporters dont care if we win another game this season

I hope my simple comment has sunk in to your brain by now, I wont hold my breath though

[P-man 13,366]

I didn't feel we tackled enough, P and the stats reflected that. I felt our tackling against Adelaide earlier in the year was far more ferocious and consistent. Each to their own, I guess.

The final tally is lower than I was expecting, but it was more in reference to technique and commitment which to my eyes was a step up.

Maybe I just love Pigdog,

[Ted Lasso 18,780]

I'd be filthy. I have no time for players doing silly things and getting rubbed out.

Obviously I didn't mean trying to hurt Gray and getting banned on purpose, but I would much rather see Watts go hard than go 60% at the contest and fail to make gray earn the ball, if he accidentally collects him high it's always a risk of a ban these days which is unfortunate, doesn't exactly encourage attacking the contest.

[mrtwister 652]

Thats not what the free was paid for. It was paid for front on contact. As it occurred after he hot the ball its play on. Apalling decision.

Either the ump didn't see it and guessed. or he applied the rule incorrectly.

Actually, you can hear the umpire state that the free was for 'high contact'

[Nasher 33,607]

Maybe I just love Pigdog,

He tackles to hurt. Been a while since we've seen a tackler like that in our side. Wrecker?

[Ted Lasso 18,780]

Actually, you can hear the umpire state that the free was for 'high contact'

The thing is that Watts contacts the ball first, to say it was a free is to say Watts has no right to try and spoil the ball in case high conact comes later.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,059]

Why do we need to get to 5 goals down before we start playing football????

[P-man 13,366]

He tackles to hurt. Been a while since we've seen a tackler like that in our side. Wrecker?

That's a fair benchmark. I'll be rapt if pigdog can stick around as long.

Fox run polls on "who is the best.." and one of them was "who is the best tackler?"

Lenny Hayes of course ranked highly.

I couldn't help but think Riley would poll, if only people knew who he was.

Edited July 21, 2014 by P-man

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

The thing is that Watts contacts the ball first, to say it was a free is to say Watts has no right to try and spoil the ball in case high conact comes later.

High contact is always a free kick whenever it happens.

In this particular instance, though, I haven't seen the incident, so I don't know whether the high contact was actually made.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

Why do we need to get to 5 goals down before we start playing football????

It's an improvement on last year. Then we got 15 goals down and apparently only started playing football on the following Monday when we kept being told we were training really well.

[#11-TonyAnderson 705]

He kept popping up around the ground - late in the third quarter he was even down deep in Port's forward line, isolated one out with Westhoff in a marking contest, and brought the ball to ground against the odds. I'm sure that wasn't the desired match up, but just as well Ro was at the contest.

It was Jetta actually, not Ro

[P-man 13,366]

It's an improvement on last year. Then we got 15 goals down and apparently only started playing football on the following Monday when we kept being told we were training really well.

I took a lot of solace in our training being "elite".

We might have lost by 100+ points every second week, but boy, could we train.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

I took a lot of solace in our training being "elite".

We might have lost by 100+ points every second week, but boy, could we train.

Explains why Satyricon is so happy with the club. He's seen us at our best, week after week.

[Tim 3,346]

It was Jetta actually, not Ro

Actually, I think they both had one of these episodes, as I remember the Nev one as well. Great efforts from NJ and RB, but would have to mark Westy's report card down for this happening twice.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

Yesterday wasn't a loss due to Port running out the game better than us, as Old Dee has said it was down to skill errors.

Grimes copped a lot for the out of bounds but the game was littered with basic skill and fundamental errors in not being switched on

Mckenzie and Riley missing easy shots in the first quarter

Wingards first quarter mark leaving a difficult shot from the pocket, handpass to an unmanned Westhoff in the goal square - Unforgivable

Jones playing on and running into the wall of Port players with the game in the balance

Jack Watts not going 100% in the first quarter with Robbie Gray for a disputed ball which resulted in a goal

I'm sure I could dissect the game properly and find many more but there is a 24 point turnaround in the result, by just doing the basics. None of those I have named I would consider young players of them all Riley lacks games experience

Not young by age perse, but infants in terms of good coaching methods, messages and culture?

[Pennant St Dee 12,659]

Not young by age perse, but infants in terms of good coaching methods, messages and culture?

Totally agree with this comment and it is the reason we are coming from so far back. It is also where I see our improvement coming from we have improved greatly in this area but still switch off mentally during games which costs us.

Another pre-season, full season of this being drilled into them will see the basics becoming second nature. It will be the expected standard and all new players coming into the club will be expected to conform to get games in the seniors. It is what happens at other top clubs

[jnrmac 19,890]

I was at the game and I've only read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread.

My first observation is that we have progressed from a team that was regularly beaten by 100 points to a team that is now fairly competitive most of the time. We still get bashed up by the really good big bodied teams (Freo, Geel) but rarely at other times. We have learned to get ourselves to a position where we can win but not surprisingly for a team that won so few games in the last few years we don't yet know how to win. We are getting some real time training in that this year and will get better at winning games when the opportunity arises.

Secondly I just can't stand the Grimes bashing. For those that weren't at the ground you may have missed the number of times he ran and supported team mates, spoilt and literally put his body on the line countless times. He is a player that will make skill errors but to want to blame him or even single him out for our failure is just silly. How about you look at Howe's kick out to a two on one contest when the majority of our players were on the other flank and the complete inability of Tapscott and Blease to show anything other than one or two cameo's for the day. We had some shocking non contributors but I've not read much about them, probably because they didn't get the ball often enough to make a mistake.

A word of praise for Ro Bail. Unless you watch him you just can't believe how much running he does. The goal he kicked in the last when he started the forward thrust on the defensive side of the wing and ended up kicking the goal was an example of how he is able to bring numbers around the ball. He's limited as a player but his application and gut running courage is something to be admired.

Jack Watts was sensational in the third and Hinkley may well have won the game when he took Kane Cornes from Jones and put him on Watts in the last. You'd have to think Watts should play that third quarter role for the rest of the season.

No love for Jordie? Kept Boak to a mediocre contribution and the only goal Boak got was when Jordie wasn't on him. There is undoubtedly a place in the team for a good tagger.

Lastly we looked spent in the last. When we had the ball from a mark there was often no movement. None, and so often we just kicked it to a stagnant situation. Roos game plan is very physically intensive and our young bodies are tiring.

Very disappointing to lose, very encouraging for the future.

Fair enough assessment but where were they all in the second quarter? I don't want players who play a quarter and a half. Give me 22 daniel cross types who go 120 mins.

[Adam The God 29,353]

I really like the game of Aiden Riley today.. Thought he was stiff to be subbed off..

He started off like a house on fire, but I thought it was the right decision to sub him. He still can't quite run out a game.