From Robbo's article: The tackle.

[Gorgoroth 12,447]

So two points that made his top 10 likes

3. Book ends

Chris Dawes and James Frawley up one end and Tom McDonald up the other. Dawes was a focal point and pushed himself upfield to be the target, and his goal from 55m in the third quarter was a game breaker. Frawley was the fierce competitor and together with Dawes they supplied four goals, while Frawely took 14 marks. McDonald probably played his best game for the club. Cant remember him being beaten in a one-on-one and his rebound was terrific. And I like his nickname: T-Mac.

4. Melbourne

As a whole. Watched from the bottom deck in the members and the joy on the faces of Melbourne fans in the final quarter was immense. There was so much to like. This wasnt won in five minutes, it was won because Melbourne controlled the contest for the 60 minutes after half-time. It was sustained pressure and run which won them the game, something we havent seen at the Demons for some time. Have to confess that I havent rated Nathan Jones as high as others, believing he was largely an and in-and-under player. Hes more than that and I was wrong.

The last bit made me smile and Kudos for finally realising how good Jones is!

[Demon trucker 1,800]

yes jones made up for his last qtr fade out last week.

[45HG 1,539]

I'd give him credit for admitting he was wrong…but I can't get past the fact the he didn't rate Jones that highly in the first place!

Fully agree with his view on the looks on people's faces in the Members. I sat in that same area and it's something that made me enjoy the win that much more - looking at the beaming faces of all of the Dees' children added a whole extra layer to the satisfaction of the win.

Starting the song after the ground stopped playing it and having everyone join in was fun, too.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Jones MUST feature in Sheahens top 50 this year.

[Guest]

We also feature in the dislikes, of course:

"7. Toumpas ahead of Wines

Paul Roos isn’t happy with unknown recruiters criticising the Demons for trading away pick No.2, but he should expect it won’t be the last time either, names or no names. The fact is comparisons will continue. Have well and truly seen enough to say Toumpas over Wines was a mistake also. In fact, Wines, taken at No.7, would be ahead of Whitfield (No.1), O’Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Toumpas (4), Stringer (5), with only Macrae (6) rivalling Wines in output."

Edited April 14, 2014 by Guest

[praha 10,592]

Jones MUST feature in Sheahens top 50 this year.

He's still ranked in the 80s on the AFL website. May have made a jump into the 60s now but can't have too many more last-quarter fade-outs like last week.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Jones MUST feature in Sheahens top 50 this year.

That list means nothing, regardless of whether Jones features in it or not.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

i was in the MCC bottom level and my favourite moment (besides the game) was in 5 minutes to go in the last, when seas of Carlton supporters in GA started leaving, and most of the MCC stood up and started waving them goodbye, combined with ya' stereotypical "na na na na- goodbye" song.
And how did the Carlton supporters react? Calling us over to try and fight them, which we obviously ignored.
But was amazing to be able to "stick it up" a club, and their smug fans for a change. I am bloody addicted to winning now, and i hope the players are too.

Edited April 14, 2014 by The Song Formerly Known As

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

That list means nothing, regardless of whether Jones features in it or not.

it does to us, yes. But it doesn't to many. To feature in it would mean he has FINALLY been given the appreciation and respect he deserves by a plebeian journalist, and the plebeian fans who soak up his every word.

Edited April 14, 2014 by The Song Formerly Known As

[Moonshadow 16,664]

Got a link? Cheers.

[Little Richard 5,949]

It's great to see Robbo finally giving us some positive spin but he's still a cretin of the lowest order.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,610]

It's great to see Robbo finally giving us some positive spin but he's still a cretin of the lowest order.

Or, is he a cretin of the highest order?

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

it does to us, yes. But it doesn't to many. To feature in it would mean he has FINALLY been given the appreciation and respect he deserves by a plebeian journalist, and the plebeian fans who soak up his every word.

I suppose so, when you look at it that way.

I hate the whole idea of Sheahan's list. How can he produce a pre-season list of the top 50 players in the competition that is radically different to the postseason list that he publishes just a few months prior (with 0 games being played in between)? The list holds no merit to me.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

I suppose so, when you look at it that way.

I hate the whole idea of Sheahan's list. How can he produce a pre-season list of the top 50 players in the competition that is radically different to the postseason list that he publishes just a few months prior (with 0 games being played in between)? The list holds no merit to me.

Allows him to argue that more than 50 players are in his top 50. Smart.

[Little Richard 5,949]

Or, is he a cretin of the highest order?

Perhaps, same difference?

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

I suppose so, when you look at it that way.

I hate the whole idea of Sheahan's list. How can he produce a pre-season list of the top 50 players in the competition that is radically different to the postseason list that he publishes just a few months prior (with 0 games being played in between)? The list holds no merit to me.

i hate it too, but the MAJORITY of the AFL viewing public, read and view it as gospel. If he lands a spot in there, he will have made it in ALL afl eyes.

Not just the people who actually have some clue about the game.

[Machsy 2,858]

We also feature in the dislikes, of course:

"7. Toumpas ahead of Wines

Paul Roos isn’t happy with unknown recruiters criticising the Demons for trading away pick No.2, but he should expect it won’t be the last time either, names or no names. The fact is comparisons will continue. Have well and truly seen enough to say Toumpas over Wines was a mistake also. In fact, Wines, taken at No.7, would be ahead of Whitfield (No.1), O’Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Toumpas (4), Stringer (5), with only Macrae (6) rivalling Wines in output."

While its annoying to see another Toumpas v Wines snipe, at least he acknowledges that Wines is ahead of ALL those taken ahead of him, bar maybe Macrae... for now.

[The Chazz 4,077]

That list means nothing, regardless of whether Jones features in it or not.

It means nothing because in the past 7 years, we've rarely had a player in it.

Of the 2, I prefer his post season one, as it is a more accurate gauge on how players played in that season. When we start having 5 or 6 guys listed in it, that's when the list will mean something.

[Little Richard 5,949]

While its annoying to see another Toumpas v Wines snipe, at least he acknowledges that Wines is ahead of ALL those taken ahead of him, bar maybe Macrae... for now.

It's pretty rare that a journalist provides that perspective actually. Usually it's just, 'Melbourne made a critical error in selecting player A over player B'. Even though there were often 10 players selected by other clubs before player B who were also under performing.

[jackaub 1,402]

i was in the MCC bottom level and my favourite moment (besides the game) was in 5 minutes to go in the last, when seas of Carlton supporters in GA started leaving, and most of the MCC stood up and started waving them goodbye, combined with ya' stereotypical "na na na na- goodbye" song.

And how did the Carlton supporters react? Calling us over to try and fight them, which we obviously ignored.

But was amazing to be able to "stick it up" a club, and their smug fans for a change. I am bloody addicted to winning now, and i hope the players are too.

Hey Song I was there in aisle 48 and was tempted to go over and call their invitation.

A great moment in the day celebrated afterwards in the Bull ring till they kicked us out MCC have no sense of occasion.

[Macca 16,174]

We also feature in the dislikes, of course:

"7. Toumpas ahead of Wines

Paul Roos isn’t happy with unknown recruiters criticising the Demons for trading away pick No.2, but he should expect it won’t be the last time either, names or no names. The fact is comparisons will continue. Have well and truly seen enough to say Toumpas over Wines was a mistake also. In fact, Wines, taken at No.7, would be ahead of Whitfield (No.1), O’Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Toumpas (4), Stringer (5), with only Macrae (6) rivalling Wines in output."

In relation to Robbo's comment and those here who have a similar view ...

The draft is a glorified lucky dip.

Sure, we can all look back and put any given draft in it's correct order but that's precisely the point. It can't be done correctly at the time. It's almost purely about luck when we're talking about the top end picks. Besides all that, we have to wait at least 4-5 years before we can start to evaluate any draft. For a proper appraisal, we have to wait until all the respective player's career's are over. These kids are often only 17 years old when judged. I doubt that there's another sport in the world where a clubs future list is based on 17 year old's being virtually picked out of a hat.

It's the players picked after the top 10-15 picks where a good recruiter comes to the fore. On that score, we've done reasonably well without unearthing any real stars. Even so, there is still a lot of luck involved with any area of any given draft. The Draft should be viewed as bit of a guide only.

Any given 18 year old who comes to the club should be viewed as just another recruit - there shouldn't be a number attached to any such player. At least that way, a player can be judged fairly.

Unfortunately, too many view the draft as if it's some sort of proper system. It isn't and never will be (that would almost certainly still be the case even if the draft age was increased to 20 years old) The proof is right there in front of us - go through any draft prior to 2007 and the proper order bears very little resemblance to the original order.

There's such a thing as getting something wrong though incompetence as opposed to getting something wrong when "guessing" Those 2 wrongs shouldn't be confused with each other.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

It means nothing because in the past 7 years, we've rarely had a player in it.

Of the 2, I prefer his post season one, as it is a more accurate gauge on how players played in that season. When we start having 5 or 6 guys listed in it, that's when the list will mean something.

I'd take more notice of the Players top 50 that's been on the AFL site over the last few weeks. 5-6 players in Sheahan's list would be great, sure, but 5-6 players that opposition players rate as tops in the competition is much better than a Herald Sun journo's opinion.

[Lucifers Hero 37,562]

It's pretty rare that a journalist provides that perspective actually. Usually it's just, 'Melbourne made a critical error in selecting player A over player B'. Even though there were often 10 players selected by other clubs before player B who were also under performing.

Quite right. He probably sees the light and is getting on the band wagon, afterall he has some new whipping boys - Carlton and soon Richmond

[DeeSpencer 23,719]

We also feature in the dislikes, of course:

"7. Toumpas ahead of Wines

Paul Roos isn’t happy with unknown recruiters criticising the Demons for trading away pick No.2, but he should expect it won’t be the last time either, names or no names. The fact is comparisons will continue. Have well and truly seen enough to say Toumpas over Wines was a mistake also. In fact, Wines, taken at No.7, would be ahead of Whitfield (No.1), O’Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Toumpas (4), Stringer (5), with only Macrae (6) rivalling Wines in output."

Or in other words Toumpas compares equally to 5 of the other top 7 picks including the number 1 pick, it just so happens 2 guys have started their careers super well.

Plus remember O'Meara, Daniher, Viney and Crouch would've gone in the top 5 of unaltered drafts. I'd actually have them as O'Meara/Daniher depending on needs, then Whitfield, then Viney and Crouch.

Our so called pick 4 with Toumpas was more like a pick 8 when you add in the 2 father sons and 2 17 year old mini drafts. It pays to remember that at times.

[TGR 1,367]

So two points that made his top 10 likes

3. Book ends

Chris Dawes and James Frawley up one end and Tom McDonald up the other. Dawes was a focal point and pushed himself upfield to be the target, and his goal from 55m in the third quarter was a game breaker. Frawley was the fierce competitor and together with Dawes they supplied four goals, while Frawely took 14 marks. McDonald probably played his best game for the club. Cant remember him being beaten in a one-on-one and his rebound was terrific. And I like his nickname: T-Mac.

4. Melbourne

As a whole. Watched from the bottom deck in the members and the joy on the faces of Melbourne fans in the final quarter was immense. There was so much to like. This wasnt won in five minutes, it was won because Melbourne controlled the contest for the 60 minutes after half-time. It was sustained pressure and run which won them the game, something we havent seen at the Demons for some time. Have to confess that I havent rated Nathan Jones as high as others, believing he was largely an and in-and-under player. Hes more than that and I was wrong.

The last bit made me smile and Kudos for finally realising how good Jones is!

2 points

JKH put on a beautiful block that allowed Dawes an uncontested mark.

Mark Murphy is the worst captain in league footy since Richard Vandenburg. So lets just settle down before getting too excited about the peformance of Jones. How Brereton listed Murphy as an A+ grader on Fox last night is beyond me. Actually, I'm surprised Roos paid Murphy the complement of allowing our midfielder follow Murphy forward. Jones is playing good footy. At the moment he seems to be sticking it up people like me who thought he wasn't captain material. But for goodness sakes, lets not RobboIZE our thoughts by concluding after one frigging game. That is for simpletons like Robbo, not for the likes of Stephen Waugh who famously said "never get excited after one win, and don't get too down after one loss"; or Matthews who said "It is never as good as it seems, nor is it bad as it seems".

Robbo shouldn't be quoted in footy discussion boards. Otherwise, it opens the floodgates for any of us to quote any drunken slob at 3am Sunday morning.