Magpie Magic - Guilty GBH

[old dee 22,927]

This is a list from the WA of convictions in appeals on GBH cases and, whilst these are not necessarily identical to the one under discussion, it's noteworthy that only one got away without a prison sentence - GBH.

It's a serious crime and sentences are tough.

After looking at that list WJ I would think he will have plenty of time to catch up on his reading!

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

I'll never get the mentality of morons going out looking for fights. I've been drunk/on drugs plenty of times but never had the desire to punch anyone. I'm assuming it's because they're usually too drunk/stupid/ugly to pick up but they way they deal with it is just so cowardly usually king hitting someone who is not expecting it or picking a fight with someone when they have a group of mates backing them up. I think any assault especially on an innocent or unsuspecting person should result in jail time even if only a few months, there's just too many [censored] running around out there knowing there will be minimal consequences for their actions.

[old dee 22,927]

I'll never get the mentality of morons going out looking for fights. I've been drunk/on drugs plenty of times but never had the desire to punch anyone. I'm assuming it's because they're usually too drunk/stupid/ugly to pick up but they way they deal with it is just so cowardly usually king hitting someone who is not expecting it or picking a fight with someone when they have a group of mates backing them up. I think any assault especially on an innocent or unsuspecting person should result in jail time even if only a few months, there's just too many [censored] running around out there knowing there will be minimal consequences for their actions.

I find it hard to disagree Dr.

For too long we have hit offenders with lettuce leaves.

Would have loved to have used " a wet tram ticket" but two thirds of the people on here would have notidea what that meant.

[DeeSpencer 23,189]

I find it hard to disagree Dr.

For too long we have hit offenders with lettuce leaves.

Would have loved to have used " a wet tram ticket" but two thirds of the people on here would have notidea what that meant.

Those myki's are pretty solid and sharp. Wetting it wont do much but if it had a sharp edge you might be able to cut someone with it.

Sounds like fighting stupid with stupid but the other problem is the cultural shift. If you whacked someone out the front of the local pub years ago someone would've whacked you back and half the chance the coppers would've whacked the whole lot of you for the troubles. These aren't fights anymore with men squaring off toe to toe. It's just an assault usually on the innocent who can't fight back. Don't get me wrong I don't want a return to brawling but at least you knew what was coming. You don't hear the phrase do you want to take this outside anymore, you just hear a punch in the back of the head.

This might upset people and we do live in a nanny state in a lot of ways but I'm with the government's ban on MMA due to it's nature as cage fighting. I don't see the need for it and the need to produce more trained and physical young men.

[CHAMP 347]

I find it hard to disagree Dr.

For too long we have hit offenders with lettuce leaves.

Would have loved to have used " a wet tram ticket" but two thirds of the people on here would have notidea what that meant.

One of those tickets OD which would allow miles of travel for 1s 8d?

[Moonshadow 16,241]

Like that the press are calling it a one punch attack. Coward's punch would be better. Phrases such as king hit do not fit the act.

[biggestred 4,320]

so the guilty verdict comes through yesterday. and we wait for sentencing.

Eddie everywhere goes on radio saying how much the Collingwood football club is against violence etc.

then says said player who is guilty of a very violent act is fine to keep training and that they will support him.

what a disgrace.

[monoccular 16,132]

This is a list from the WA of convictions in appeals on GBH cases and, whilst these are not necessarily identical to the one under discussion, it's noteworthy that only one got away without a prison sentence - GBH.

It's a serious crime and sentences are tough.

.... In WA

As they should be, with too many families losing a son/brother etc, from a drunken/drugged/just plain stupid, thug's, mindless unprovoked violence.

Maybe he thought (IF he thought at all) that he was in Victoria, where violent attacks are (apparently) regarded by our various levels of judiciary as hardly worthy of hard sanction. All too many here just walk from court; tragically for others they then repeat their offence.

And remember, deaths are just the tip of the iceberg. Many are left with serious long term physical injuries, and most victims are mentally scarred long term with dramatic social, employment an d family detrimental effects. It is not being over dramatic to say that a serious assault can irrevocably ruin a life.

[Whispering_Jack 28,005]

.... In WA

It is everywhere but the data came from the WA because Williams was found guilty in the District Court in his home town of Albany which is in WA.

[bing181 8,169]

This is a list from the WA of convictions in appeals on GBH cases and, whilst these are not necessarily identical to the one under discussion, it's noteworthy that only one got away without a prison sentence - GBH.

Sobering reading.

Interesting to see the weight given to a) remorse and b) likelihood of repeat offending.

[Winners at last 4,742]

Who doesn't love Eddie "triplechins King Kong" Maguire?

[monoccular 16,132]

It is everywhere but the data came from the WA because Williams was found guilty in the District Court in his home town of Albany which is in WA.

My point was that in WA courts appear to take a more serious view of GBH assaults than they appear to do in Victoria. (NT also appears to be more aligned with WA sentencing levels than Vic).

[Nasher 33,068]

My point was that in WA courts appear to take a more serious view of GBH assaults than they appear to do in Victoria. (NT also appears to be more aligned with WA sentencing levels than Vic).

And Jack's point is that WA is the relevant jurisdiction as that is where the crime took place. Victoria has no relevance at all in this case, that's why your having mentioned it may have confused some.

[Return to Glory 7,730]

I'll never get the mentality of morons going out looking for fights. I've been drunk/on drugs plenty of times but never had the desire to punch anyone. I'm assuming it's because they're usually too drunk/stupid/ugly to pick up but they way they deal with it is just so cowardly usually king hitting someone who is not expecting it or picking a fight with someone when they have a group of mates backing them up. I think any assault especially on an innocent or unsuspecting person should result in jail time even if only a few months, there's just too many [censored] running around out there knowing there will be minimal consequences for their actions.

Not only are there too many [censored] but far too many of them are steroid loving UFC aficionados who have gone from fringe dwelling half wit status to role models for the brainless.

[Elusive Tunbridge 795]

When i was an undergraduate I attended a lecture by a prison psychiatrist on the nature of murder. He outlined three different killings - utterly different circumstances, one calculated, one impulsive, one that would probably now be called justifiable homicide - but the law put them all under the charge of murder. I suspect that GBH is similar, and that a wide variety of incidents get lumped into one legal category. My lecturer's point was that it's up to the judge to weigh up many factors in determining a sentence, and I've been told the same by an experienced judge.

No priors and strong evidence of provocation - I'm guessing he'll get a relatively light sentence. Which will no doubt enrage some on here.

[rjay 23,925]

When i was an undergraduate I attended a lecture by a prison psychiatrist on the nature of murder. He outlined three different killings - utterly different circumstances, one calculated, one impulsive, one that would probably now be called justifiable homicide - but the law put them all under the charge of murder. I suspect that GBH is similar, and that a wide variety of incidents get lumped into one legal category. My lecturer's point was that it's up to the judge to weigh up many factors in determining a sentence, and I've been told the same by an experienced judge.

No priors and strong evidence of provocation - I'm guessing he'll get a relatively light sentence. Which will no doubt enrage some on here.

Having been a victim it won't enrage me, but I will be upset if the AFL don't take any further action. Even just to make a point to the playing group and society in general, they seem to like doing this on other issues and this one is a bit closer to me so I have an interest.

[Biffen 12,342]

Eddie can get some other guy picked up from gaol in WA when they drop him off.

No biggy.

[monoccular 16,132]

And Jack's point is that WA is the relevant jurisdiction as that is where the crime took place. Victoria has no relevance at all in this case, that's why your having mentioned it may have confused some.

I'm not confused a bit, thanks.

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

This is a list from the WA of convictions in appeals on GBH cases and, whilst these are not necessarily identical to the one under discussion, it's noteworthy that only one got away without a prison sentence - GBH.

It's a serious crime and sentences are tough.

Some nasty characters there.... the guy who bashed the mother of his 6 kids... absolutely sickening

[Arrow 1,257]

The trickle down effect is the problem here. I don't know enough about the case, but given he claims he was punched earlier in the night it does seem somewhat provoked, but my underlying issue is how weak crime punishment is. Reading some of those WA charges like the man who left one innocent blokes face permentantly droopy on the left side received 2 years after essentially glassing him...

Manslaughter often sees people leaving jail on parole after as few as 3-5 years. Take a life and receive 3 lost back. The system simply doesn't work.

[DeeSpencer 23,189]

The trickle down effect is the problem here. I don't know enough about the case, but given he claims he was punched earlier in the night it does seem somewhat provoked, but my underlying issue is how weak crime punishment is. Reading some of those WA charges like the man who left one innocent blokes face permentantly droopy on the left side received 2 years after essentially glassing him...

Manslaughter often sees people leaving jail on parole after as few as 3-5 years. Take a life and receive 3 lost back. The system simply doesn't work.

At the same time if we lock someone away for 15 years for the same crime it costs us a heap of money and also gives them less hope for rehabilitation making them more likely to settle in to criminal prison life and come out worse than they went in. I don't know what the answer is Arrow.

We could certainly start with harsher sentences, bail and parole conditions for repeat offenders. Ie. we will give you a first chance but we wont be so kind next time.

[Nasher 33,068]

I'm not confused a bit, thanks.

I mean *you* confused people by throwing Victoria in to the discussion.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

This is a list from the WA of convictions in appeals on GBH cases and, whilst these are not necessarily identical to the one under discussion, it's noteworthy that only one got away without a prison sentence - GBH.

It's a serious crime and sentences are tough.

Looks to me like a hellishly inconsistent system. We see a guy try to walk away and fight back when they follow him get 3 years while a habitual offender with a long history drives to another town with his mates and takes turns beating up a woman and gets 18 months increased to 3 1/2 on appeal. Then there's the dude who pushed someone down the stairs, punched him in the back of the head while he was down and then knocked out his friend for good measure who got 8 months...

Based on that, our boy Marley can expect anywhere between 10 years and a community service award.

[Blinkybill 276]

Collingwood is saying the are providing "support" to Marley. I wonder how much support the victim is getting from the Pies?

Marley has no place in the AFL until this case is finalised.

[old dee 22,927]

Collingwood is saying the are providing "support" to Marley. I wonder how much support the victim is getting from the Pies?

Marley has no place in the AFL until this case is finalised.

The interesting thing is Pendlebury got hit outside a club a few years back and Eddie fell right out of his tree.

The pies were even part of an AFL program about this sort of thing and how bad it was.

Wow The H word comes immediately to mind.