Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[wattsup 470]

Well hird can't possibly keep his job now, if he does it's an absolute joke

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Well hird can't possibly keep his job now, if he does it's an absolute joke

And let the most unethical Club in the AFL still finds a way not to sack him.

These guys will need to be forced by the AFL to sack their golden haired god.

[whatwhat say what 19,171]

Infraction notices issued.

[biggestred 4,337]

Nothing has changed - we knew this would happen.

Its when they get 2 year bans that the [censored] will hit the fan

[wattsup 470]

After all the stalling and dragging this out I will be dissapointed if the players don't get a minimum of 12 months ban, and that's nothing against the players feel sorry for them, but I now want maximum penalty just to teach hird and the essendon football club a lesson they think there bigger than the AFL and asada

[Demoneyes 562]

thanks for the link, I am guessing one of the lawyers on here can summarise this a lot better than me, but for those of you who have the time here are what I thought were CozzaDs best posts (in the out of 50 to date) in the last 48hrs (since they joined).

If this is true, there will definitely be a mini-series at some point.

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Hi all,

Here's how it works, as far as I understand it:

David Evans, via his private company Evans and Partners, looks to invest in Phosphagenics/Calzada circa 2011/2012. Remember Mark Thompson has returned to Ess from Geelong by this time.

On the Board of Evans and Partners is Bill Kelty and Eddie McGuire (see here: https://www.evansandpartners.com.au/ourpeople/advisoryboard/ ). As you know Bill Kelty is also an AFL Commissioner.

Scam is that Evans and Partners were trying to make money off pharmaceuticals. Ess players were 'test moles'. Think about it, what financial benefit for 30 players was there to take AOD/Thyamosin? The penalties are too risky. Wining an AFL Premiership is not worth a WADA/ASADA 4 years ban. Nor is the pay packet of most AFL footballers on a global scale like F1 drivers, EPL soccer players and cyclists, there is too much to lose for the players.

Evans had to quit Ess in 2013 as the situation couldn't be managed and he is being groomed as the next Mike Fitzpatrick (i.e. AFL Chairman, like his father Ron). David will go away for 5 years and replace Mike when the time is right.

Bill Kelty is your real tip off from the 'phone call' in Feb 2013 at Hird's house (or wherever it was). Bill Kelty is conflicted as an AFL Commissioner and as a Board Member of Evans and Partners. Andrew Demetriou took the fall for Kelty.

ALSO, to solve ASADA you have to go back to 2010 and Mark Thompson at Geelong, his mate Justin Madden (then Victorian State Planning Minister) re-zones land for them in Geelong (Armstrong Creek, which was bought cheaply by Thompson, Mark Casey the Ess Coterie Club Chief and Adrian Dodoro who is Ess Recruiting Manager). Thompson cleans up financially, moves to Essendon, brings Dank and Robinson with him, they tip off Evans to financial interests of Calzada/Phosphagenics and the rest is history.

Simon Madden is not on the Ess Board out of charity, his brother helped make many Ess officials rich via Armstrong Creek property deal.

I've been reading here for some time to try and help you out somehow, but will now open my mouth, in the interest of the greater good.

Excellent work I think you are missing the ALP political connection between Kelty, Eddie and Vlad and Vlad's political ambitions that may have included at one point in time taking a safe ALP seat in either the Federal or Victorian Parliament upon his retirement. Do some research in that area and you will be astounded at what you may find.

Christmas time!

BACKGROUND

In light of Essendon FC losing the Federal Court case some months back, and Justice Middleton having a go at the Gillard Government in it, I feel that this issue of heavy links between key AFL figures (including ex Essendon Chairman David Evans) and the ALP is now an 'open slather' topic. The question is conflict of interest and use of these positions/links for personal financial gain should be covered now, with no fear or favour.

I've drawn below a Summary List of Key AFL Figures with strong and common links to some ALP heavies.

It is borderline journalistic ignorance to not at least look at this. The Trade Union Royal Commission is also showing some AFL links there to slush funds also.

Bill Kelty

Ex Aus Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) President, current AFL Commissioner and Board/Committee of AFL Sports Ready (HE ALSO sits on the Board of David Evans Private Company, Evans and Partners). May also have links to “Media Strategy Company” used in defamation case for Dean Robinson.

Andrew Demetriou

Employed ex ALP Minister’s Key Man to AFL in 2007 (Phil Martin) and now has Bastion Business interests with him, and Creswick Quartz. Also see Demetriou/ALP Links here http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...mments/the_l_in_afl_must_mean_labor/desc/P40/ andhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e-a-boring-bloke/story-fni5f22o-1226938528929

Mike Fitzpatrick

See here for evidence of ALP sympathies/allegiances http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/26/mike-fitzpatricks-tricky-anz-stadium-conflict-of-interest/

Eddie McGuire

His brother Frank McGuire is Labor MP for Broadmeadows. Eddie McGuire and David Evans share several Boards (Shane Warne Foundation and “Evans and Partners”)

Steve Bracks

Board Member: AFL Sports Ready (Bill Kelty is linked here too) http://www.aflsportsready.com.au/our-story/the-team/patrons-ambassadors

Peter Walsh (ex Chief of Staff for John Brumby)

Current Board Member of Western Bulldogs FC, involved in 2010 Matthew Primus Betting Incident

Redstick Strategic Communication

‘Lobby arm’ for Geelong FC and Armstrong Creek Property Development (see Justin Madden/Mark Thompson/Mark Casey links)

David Evans

Check the Board of his private company Evans and Partners, both Bill Kelty and Eddie McGuire sit on it. David Evans also sits on Victoria Police Corporate Advisory Committee.

McGuire sits on the Board of David Evans’ private company Evans and Partners.

McGuire and Evans also share a Board spot on The Shane Warne Foundation.

These guys use Boards as meeting places away from the public eye.

If the company (Evans and Partners) was looking at investing in Pharmaceuticals in 2011/12, then McGuire would have knowledge, it’s a safe assumption.

Also check Tim Boreham article in The Australian from February 2010, that’s when AOD-9064 first was discussed.

To answer B&M question. Commercial media have been terrible on this. Too much focus on what the players took, not WHY the players took it.

Hi. For Hird/Charter 2004 ish (i.e. the photo of them working out) I don't know much. I haven't gone back that far to be honest.

Please send me a link of the Danny Weidler article, I'll do my best for you.

Speaking of Cronulla Sharks, they were involved in a dodgy Land Re-Zoning deal with a NSW ALP MP as well. Funny that.

Evidence? Here.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...028353219?nk=d2c67ffd9359a267f7ac2c40e9b40369

The $300m development project was passed under the controversial Part 3A amendment to NSW planning laws which cuts local councils out of the loop and allows the minister to directly approve projects.

The Weekend Australian obtained a copy of a letter sent by the NSW Minister for Planning Tony Kelly to Sutherland Shire Mayor Phil Blight last month in which he said the planned development deserved to be considered a Part 3A project.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/doubts-over-cronullas-proposed-lifeline-20111005-1l9nm.html

The local Liberal MP, Mark Speakman, said through a spokesman he would need at least a week to consider all the documents but wanted his concerns about ''public transport, design, density, visual impact and the impact on traffic'' resolved.

The proposal was granted state-significant status by the former planning minister Tony Kelly and will be on public exhibition for 60 days to allow for submissions before independent assessment.

http://www.theleader.com.au/news/local/news/business/sharks-plan-approved/2085294.aspx?storypage=0

Also late on Tuesday the NSW Government signed off on the consortium’s Part 3A application, accepting the redevelopment proposal for assessment as a major project. ‘‘The Cronulla Sharks is an iconic institution in Sutherland Shire with an important role to play in the local community,’’ said Planning Minister Tony Kelly.

He said the proposal had the potential to contribute significantly to the Metropolitan Plan target of 52,000 extra jobs and 58,000 more homes in Sydney’s south by 2036, ‘‘including 10,100 new dwellings and 8000 new jobs identified for the Sutherland local government area’’.

http://www.urbanalyst.com/in-the-ne...rnment-rezones-land-at-kurnell-peninsula.html

NSW Planning Minister, Tony Kelly, last week approved a State Environmental Planning Policy (SEPP) which rezones land for housing and public recreation in Sutherland Shire.

The rezoning will allow for a $700 million project, providing nearly 33 hectares of low density housing adjacent to existing residential areas of Cronulla and more than 91 hectares of land for public recreation and conservation purposes.

"Which brings us to Hird and Essendon. Hird has to front up to ASADA on Tuesday. He said from the outset that he was in shock to even be fronting a media conference relating to an inquiry into Essendon's practices.

That may well be the case, given that Dank is confident that everything he did, with Essendon's permission and full support, was appropriate. I have been through text message after text message between Dank and Essendon and make no mistake that Hird was more than just aware of what Dank was doing - he was a fan of it and a fan of the results.

At this point, I have been asked to hold fire on the exact details of the contents of the messages but they are detailed in the extreme, with names of players littered throughout the exchanges.

There are also numerous mentions of supplements and processes, which indicates that Hird will have to lay it all bare for ASADA when they meet.

Hird has had suggestions from AFL boss Andrew Demetriou that he should consider standing down. From afar, it appears that he has board support and club support not to follow what Demetriou wants.

Where was that kind of support for Flanagan, who was left to watch from afar as his club floundered? There are some in Melbourne who don't want to believe that these text messages are real. I sat with Dank and went through his phone over a cup of coffee and saw every text message from Hird to him after I had put it to him that the messages could have been falsified.

The next area of interest around Hird will be his statement that he only took injections twice to benefit himself. That is a statement worth remembering and one that may land him in trouble down the track when it comes to his credibility in this matter."

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...icated-but-hird-was-aware-20130415-2hw5g.html

I’ll help you out, the relevant links below. Also note chronology.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...907043696?nk=dd1b5b2d5c203d001a39f2026d5b2e59

August 2010

GEELONG coach Mark Thompson has turned a $400,000 property gamble into a potential $10 million windfall.

The golden land deal underscores the magnitude of Geelong's task in persuading Thompson to extend his tenure at Skilled Stadium beyond next year.

A parcel of land purchased by Thompson, developer Mark Casey and Essendon recruiting chief Adrian Dodoro is now tipped to earn them more than $40 million.

The trio paid $3.8 million for a 16ha sheep farm at Armstrong Creek, between Geelong and Torquay, four years ago.

They hit the jackpot after a series of State Government zoning changes that will transform the locality into a city the size of Shepparton.

http://geelong.starcommunity.com.au/indy/2010-06-18/creek-flop-highlights-city-housing-bargains/

June 2010

State Planning Minister Justin Madden has given the green light for the release of 500 allotments at Armstrong Creek’s Warralily estate, in the urban growth area’s east precinct.

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au...ure/geelong-cats-to-build-new-8-million-base/

Geelong FC to Build New $8 Million Dollar Training Base

November 30, 2011

Following confirmation that a unique partnership has been struck between Keystone Business Park & the Geelong Football Club, the Cats have announced it will build a multi-million dollar training base in the new suburb of Armstrong Creek, which is beginning to take shape on the southern edge of the city.

The decision means the Cats are set to spend far less time running around at their home ground, the recently renamed Simonds Stadium.

Construction costs will be funded by Keystone Business Park – one of the developers involved in Armstrong Creek.

As part of the sponsorship deal, the 2011 premiers will own the freehold title to the complex once it is completed.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-27/delay-on-cats-base

Cats hold fire on new training base

Adam McNicol November 27, 2013 6:18 PM

GEELONG'S planned training facility in the new suburb of Armstrong Creek has been delayed indefinitely, knocking almost $2 million off the club's balance sheet.

There was much fanfare when Cats announced plans for an elite training facility back in November, 2011.

Construction was expected to begin in June 2012 and be completed by early 2013.

The club was to be a high-profile tenant in the Keystone Business Park, with the training facility's construction costs to be met by the park's developers as part of a unique sponsorship arrangement.

The Cats were to own the freehold title to the complex – valued at $1.93 million – once it was completed.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-...for-next-stage-of-simonds-stadium-development

Labor promises $70 million for next stage of Simonds Stadium development

Adam McNicol September 9, 2014 1:23 PM

The Victorian Labor Party has promised to fund the next stage of the Simonds Stadium redevelopment

VICTORIA'S Labor opposition has pledged $70 million to fund the entire next stage of Geelong's Simonds Stadium redevelopment if it wins November's state election.

The project, known as stage four, will replace the Brownlow and Jennings stands, meaning new change rooms for the Geelong players, a new media centre and a rise in the stadium's capacity from 33,500 to 36,000.

At Tuesday morning's announcement, Cats chief executive Brian Cook thanked Labor leader Daniel Andrews for "such a generous offer".

Hi all,

Good morning. Further to yesterdays’ initial email, today’s one focuses on the ”Dean Robinson Defamation” case. The inference and link is that, again, Bill Kelty had more of a hand in this the we are being led to believe.

You may remember from my initial email yesterday that we discussed Bill Kelty is in a ‘Conflict of Interest’ dilemma, being an AFL Commissioner and a Board Member of David Evans Private Company, Evans and Partner. Kelty is also an ex-ACTU President.

I also referred to possible ALP interference in all this. Most of my data presented to date has an “ALP/Union” tone/link to it.

Now read the sequence of events below.

1. Base Story starts by outlining how the AFL/Essendon engaged “Essential Media Communications” to help strategize the response to Essendon/ASADA matter in early February 2013 (see: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...egoat-court-told/story-fni0fee2-1227043770111)

“A FORMER strength coach with the Bombers has alleged a spin doctor came up with the idea to blame “rogue operators’’ for the supplements scandal and used dumped fitness chief Dean Robinson as a “scapegoat’’, the Supreme Court has heard.

Suki Hobson, who quit the Bombers late last year, allegedly told Robinson she attended a meeting in March last year with club chiefs in which Essential Media Communications director Elizabeth Lukin spoke about a “rogue operator strategy’’.”

2. Base “Essential Media” website, showing offices in Sydney and Melbourne (http://essentialmedia.com.au/contact/)

3. ASIC records show “Essential Media” (via ABN 48 074 671 462) to be really based in Brisbane, in the same building as the ALP’s Queensland offices (Building is TLC Building, 16 Peel Street Brisbane. Essential Media is on Level 3, ALP Queensland is on Level 1)

4. Further digging shows Essential Media Communications to be specialists advisors to both the Australian Labor Party and to the ACTU (Trade Union Council)

Example articles that show this are: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-19/lewiswoods-values/4581706 and http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/29/the-power-index-election-deciders-ad-creatives-at-6/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

Quotes from the two links just provided include: “Question design and analysis are carried out by Essential Research, the research arm of Essential Media Communications.” And “Essential Media Communications, the progressive polling and campaigning outfit behind the Australian Council of Trade Unions’2007 Your Rights at Work campaign, is now running the show. Labor sources say the crew is already working hard at EMC’s Sussex Street HQ, with ALP assistant national secretary Nick Martin overseeing efforts.”

5. Current AFL Commissioner Bill Kelty is also ex ACTU President. It’s highly possible that in early Feb 2013, when Essendon/ASADA was about to ‘break’ that Essential Media Communications was called into AFL House, and that’s the meeting Dean Robinson is taking Court action against, as stated in the Media articles of 1 September 2014.

Attachments, showing screenshots and ‘directions’ on how to extract the data I have found, I have also.

CozzaD

I would love to have read all that but I ran out of wine!

[Willmoy1947 3,803]

If the public do not hear from the players or their parents in the next twelve to twenty four hours I am afraid that by implication alone their acknowledgement of guilt is sealed and the full penalty that can be provided should be served...

[Whispering_Jack 28,010]

Essendon supplements saga: 34 players hit with infraction notices

Can't understand why exceptions to the bans have been made for the International Rules game.

Ridiculous.

[bing181 8,176]

here is certainly enough evidence to compel ASADA etc to take these proceedings but it is only when they are forensically examined in the Tribunal and satisfy the burden of proof of "reasonable satisfaction" which is higher than the usual civil burden of "balance of probabilities" that the players will be convicted.

No lawyer, and no knowledge of anything that isn't already public, but I would have thought that ASADA are on top of "reasonable satisfaction". Their case has been signed off on by at least two outside experts, and I would have thought that if they can establish to reasonable satisfaction that Dank was in possession of TB4 and was also carrying out an injection program at Essendon, that that in itself would be enough.

[deanox 8,677]

Essendon supplements saga: 34 players hit with infraction notices

Can't understand why exceptions to the bans have been made for the International Rules game.

Ridiculous.

I understand that the players have to apply for the stayed penalty and that any eventual penalty will only begin after the "stayed" penalty.

I.e. If they apply for one and all players get 12 months, their 12 months will begin later.

Personally I think the AFL would be foolish to grant then for these nothing matches, especially because they are on the international stage.

I am interested to know of the provisional suspension bans them from training at/with the club.

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Essendon supplements saga: 34 players hit with infraction notices

Can't understand why exceptions to the bans have been made for the International Rules game.

Ridiculous.

Some how I get the feeling the AFL does not take the issue of illegal substances use in the Essendon FC very seriously.

[sue 8,457]

Some how I get the feeling the AFL does not take the issue of illegal substances use in the Essendon FC very seriously.

Agreed - if they make exceptions they are not serious about drugs since as I understand it suspensions are all in the agreements which players have signed up to, so the AFL is safe form being sued if they suspend them. But the article does say an 'exception is expected to be made for..Watson & Fletcher.' It will be interesting to hear how they justify it if they do make an exception.

[Qwerty30 196]

Chill out guys.

The players are still to face the AFL Tribunal.

You'll get your pound of flesh!

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Chill out guys.

The players are still to face the AFL Tribunal.

You'll get your pound of flesh!

A pound is just not enough penalty from the 2012 Essendon Players.

AFL Tribunal will be a joke.

Its the WADA/ASADA appeal of the AFL Tribunal penalty that I am waiting for.

[wattsup 470]

Yep I think it's a joke that the AFL comes up with the penalty surely they are conflicted, Im sure the afl will find a way to let them off can't have them loosing money now

[Qwerty30 196]

A pound is just not enough penalty from the 2012 Essendon Players.

AFL Tribunal will be a joke.

Its the WADA/ASADA appeal of the AFL Tribunal penalty that I am waiting for.

I am not sure how you will fill in your time when this is all over.

I think it clear that the AFL tribunal will dish out the required ASADA punishment.

It's in nobodies interest to prolong this saga further than it has to be.

There is no incentive for the AFL squibbing on the Tribunal penalties. There is nothing in it for ASADA and the players either.

Let's just get it done and get on with the football.

But if there is an justice then Hird Thompson Reid and Little should have nothing to do with AFL football or any other sport.

[jazza 1,323]

Chill out guys.

The players are still to face the AFL Tribunal.

You'll get your pound of flesh!

What do we want=Our pound of flesh.

When do we want it=NOW.

Will spend an extra $250.00 to get to the EFC match every year while they are in the basement and we kick the krap outta them.

[chookrat 3,777]

I am not sure how you will fill in your time when this is all over.

I think it clear that the AFL tribunal will dish out the required ASADA punishment.

It's in nobodies interest to prolong this saga further than it has to be.

There is no incentive for the AFL squibbing on the Tribunal penalties. There is nothing in it for ASADA and the players either.

Let's just get it done and get on with the football.

But if there is an justice then Hird Thompson Reid and Little should have nothing to do with AFL football or any other sport.

Justice would probably entail jail time for key senior figures who know or ought to have known the substances being injected into the players during their watch.

[DemonFrog 1,347]

I am not sure how you will fill in your time when this is all over.

Watch the entire Seinfeld and Buffy series on DVD with the Professor.

Also help Jazza milk a few of his cows.

I may even watch a few drug free games of AFL football.

What are your plans Q30?

[M_9 1,713]

Yep I think it's a joke that the AFL comes up with the penalty surely they are conflicted, Im sure the afl will find a way to let them off can't have them loosing money now

I think you'll find the persons sitting on the AFL Tribunal, chaired by former County Court judge David Jones, will be completely impartial.

[Dees2014 2,377]

Conolly is so compromised on this issue.

Both he and Robinson should be banned from writing on this subject.

I think it's great. When the penalties are handed out, Hird is banned, ESSENDON goes broke, the board resigns en mass and are charged, Connolly and Robinson will both be totally discredited. Don't hold your breath though waiting for them to be held accountable by losing their jobs (as they should do as this is seriously sloppy journalism) - both the AGE and the HS are playing the marketing game:,ie there are seriously large numbers of people who agree with these two so they are catering for their needs. At least the AGE has the likes of Caro as a counter - I can't say the same for The HS. Robinson after all is chief football writer. He should no longer be employed either by News ltd or Foxtel. He has no credibility left.

[Dees2014 2,377]

I understand that the players have to apply for the stayed penalty and that any eventual penalty will only begin after the "stayed" penalty.

I.e. If they apply for one and all players get 12 months, their 12 months will begin later.

Personally I think the AFL would be foolish to grant then for these nothing matches, especially because they are on the international stage.

I am interested to know of the provisional suspension bans them from training at/with the club.

Don't forget, WADA is watching. If the AFL goes soft on penalties ie less than two years, WADA will take it to the international Court of Arbitration in Sport and they are likely to end up with more than two year bans as a result of being so intractable. Either way they are gone!

[FireInTheBennelly 4,025]

Surely at this point it's name and shame?

[Qwerty30 196]

I think it's great. When the penalties are handed out, Hird is banned, ESSENDON goes broke, the board resigns en mass and are charged, Connolly and Robinson will both be totally discredited.

The whole AFL is discredited by this. The damage to the standing and brand of AFL has been significantly impaired by the last 2 years.

And your scenario is hardly good for MFC long term as its already on an AFL lifeline.

As far as armageddon outcomes be careful what you wish for.

I dont want Essendon going broke, i dont want the AFL and footy continually damaged by this.

I want whatever players are involved sanctioned appropriately and sensibly in light to the circumstances.

However, I want all those officials involved with this appalling saga gone.

For the good of the game, EFC needs to clean its decks at thre Board and key post positions and move forward.

And as for journalist while Murdoch is still on this planet, you are not going to get good journalism at all.

[Qwerty30 196]

Watch the entire Seinfeld and Buffy series on DVD with the Professor.

Also help Jazza milk a few of his cows.

I may even watch a few drug free games of AFL football.

What are your plans Q30?

Well done. Your future looks assured.

oh and this

He is only about 12 months behind the rest of the football world on this.

He has a had another Blind Freddie moment