Footy Classified Lifts the Lid on Carlton & Richmond's Tanking 2007

[Cards13 9,117]

It's not just me, you guys realise too. I find it astounding. Or maybe I'm just a late night owl and the rest are in bed before 9pm.

Not one paper, I haven't heard it mentioned on radio - only Kennett's comments on Demetriou. No callers.

I know I shouldn't be but I'm amazed they are filtering comments in the comments section that are raising it... ppffttt.

I am trying to ween myself off the age online. Finding it difficult, any other links to half decent news sites?

[H_T 3,049]

Me thinks they don't want this lid open.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Lets be realistic - no other club will be investigated. This has been the most recent allegation of tanking and took 8 months - which could have been twice as long if appealed.

No one is going to start to investigate Freo, Hawthorn, Carlton ect. Its too long ago and the AFL wont touch it with a ten foot pole.

The most important thing is that the AFL clearly defines tanking. To date, no one - even McLachlan - can still to date define it.

Lets move on.

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

It takes time....keep spreading it, just coz the Aged are against it....we already knew that.

Just keep spreading that video online...

[daisycutter 29,892]

Lets be realistic - no other club will be investigated. This has been the most recent allegation of tanking and took 8 months - which could have been twice as long if appealed.

No one is going to start to investigate Freo, Hawthorn, Carlton ect. Its too long ago and the AFL wont touch it with a ten foot pole.

The most important thing is that the AFL clearly defines tanking. To date, no one - even McLachlan - can still to date define it.

Lets move on.

they could offer them a quick rollover deal a'la melbourne and settle for "conduct unbecoming". don't have to prove tanking

just requires a little "negotiating"

[rjay 25,304]

I'm sure a few of SMS'd KB this morning but not a word. It's a sad and well controlled democracy we live in at times, they want it to go away.

[rjay 25,304]

Might try Robbo or Rohan tonight and see if I can get a bite.

[old dee 24,001]

Lets be realistic - no other club will be investigated. This has been the most recent allegation of tanking and took 8 months - which could have been twice as long if appealed.

No one is going to start to investigate Freo, Hawthorn, Carlton ect. Its too long ago and the AFL wont touch it with a ten foot pole.

The most important thing is that the AFL clearly defines tanking. To date, no one - even McLachlan - can still to date define it.

Lets move on.

I agree Pj and said that 3 pages back

[dee-luded 2,959]

As I stated earlier, the Libba, Fev and Wallace mentions last night have not been mentioned or headlined anywhere in papers/media.

Going nowhere unless someone walks into the "Whistleblowing unit" with hard, fresh evidence.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I'm sure a few of SMS'd KB this morning but not a word. It's a sad and well controlled democracy we live in at times, they want it to go away.

they think there saving themselves from scandal & sponsor embarrassment, over & over & over again... until finally that old cupboard just can't hold the doors anymore.

# Watergate # the biggest blue of all, you might say.

[jnrmac 20,276]

Me thinks they don't want this lid open.

I don't think they wanted the Dees lid open but I was wrong.

[daisycutter 29,892]

amazing how the only reports of this excellent expose was some comments on jeff re vlad

what a gutless media we have in this state/country

i have lost all respect for the media along with the afl........in any other universe it would be considered corruption

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Just on 2007...does anyone remember who won the NAB Cup that year?

[Redleg 41,942]

amazing how the only reports of this excellent expose was some comments on jeff re vlad

what a gutless media we have in this state/country

i have lost all respect for the media along with the afl........in any other universe it would be considered corruption

It is amazing when you think of the possible stories that could come from the show and nothing.

To not have a single mention of it is staggering.

[Sydney Pennski 309]

It is amazing when you think of the possible stories that could come from the show and nothing.

To not have a single mention of it is staggering.

The message seems to be that if you want to survive in this world as a journalist who covers the AFL then you should not cover stories that the AFL doesn't want covered.

It's strange that Mark Robinson found no shortage of Melbourne sources to fill an error-filled double page spread of Melbourne v Sydney Swans at Manuka in 2007 but can't do a similar sized write up comparing it with the Kreuzer Cup game in 2007.

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

The AFL will ignore the Liberatore interview.

I've been informed that the AFL's position is that Libba was investigated at the time and changed his tune by qualifying much of what he said in the interview. The AFL then declared that Carlton was pure as the driven snow and that furthermore, nothing new has come up since to warrant a new investigation. Never mind the stuff in Fevola's book and never mind that there was also an investigation against Melbourne and Bailey that came up with no wrongdoing before the McLean interview.

"Mr McLachlan said if any person came forward with new evidence involving clubs acting in a manner which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL, the AFL’s integrity department would examine any such evidence."

The trouble with this is that when Liberatore was being investigated, it was generally understood to be an investigation into tanking and not conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL. Isn't it time that this aspect is investigated - particularly given that some Carlton people were openly boasting about resting players to avoid their participation in a game they didn't want to win? Was someone leaning on Brett Ratten so that he wouldn't place a tag on Travis Johnstone in the Kreuzer Cup? No, I don't think the AFL wants to know and the heroes in the media who have suddenly gone shtum don't either.

And what about Terry Wallace's admission. That's never been investigated before to my knowledge. Where's the call for an investigation?

[Redleg 41,942]

The AFL will ignore the Liberatore interview.

I've been informed that the AFL's position is that Libba was investigated at the time and changed his tune by qualifying much of what he said in the interview. The AFL then declared that Carlton was pure as the driven snow and that furthermore, nothing new has come up since to warrant a new investigation. Never mind the stuff in Fevola's book and never mind that there was also an investigation against Melbourne and Bailey that came up with no wrongdoing before the McLean interview.

"Mr McLachlan said if any person came forward with new evidence involving clubs acting in a manner which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL, the AFL’s integrity department would examine any such evidence."

The trouble with this is that when Liberatore was being investigated, it was generally understood to be an investigation into tanking and not conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL. Isn't it time that this aspect is investigated - particularly given that some Carlton people were openly boasting about resting players to avoid their participation in a game they didn't want to win? Was someone leaning on Brett Ratten so that he wouldn't place a tag on Travis Johnstone in the Kreuzer Cup? No, I don't think the AFL wants to know and the heroes in the media who have suddenly gone shtum don't either.

And what about Terry Wallace's admission. That's never been investigated before to my knowledge. Where's the call for an investigation?

I have now spoken to 2 journos on different papers, who feel that the AFL will do what it can to stop a Blues investigation. Maybe a Chairman of the Commission who is a former Blues captain has something to do with it or 360 poker machines, but whatever the reason there IS no integrity in the AFL at the moment.

What is more perplexing is that the press will not even discuss it. It is obviously a no go zone. The question is why and then how it effects their integrity as newspapers.

[Hulett Packard III 166]

I have now spoken to 2 journos on different papers, who feel that the AFL will do what it can to stop a Blues investigation. Maybe a Chairman of the Commission who is a former Blues captain has something to do with it or 360 poker machines, but whatever the reason there IS no integrity in the AFL at the moment.

What is more perplexing is that the press will not even discuss it. It is obviously a no go zone. The question is why and then how it effects their integrity as newspapers.

Integrity and newspapers is an oxymoron these days.

[daisycutter 29,892]

The AFL will ignore the Liberatore interview.

I've been informed that the AFL's position is that Libba was investigated at the time and changed his tune by qualifying much of what he said in the interview. The AFL then declared that Carlton was pure as the driven snow and that furthermore, nothing new has come up since to warrant a new investigation. Never mind the stuff in Fevola's book and never mind that there was also an investigation against Melbourne and Bailey that came up with no wrongdoing before the McLean interview.

"Mr McLachlan said if any person came forward with new evidence involving clubs acting in a manner which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL, the AFL’s integrity department would examine any such evidence."

The trouble with this is that when Liberatore was being investigated, it was generally understood to be an investigation into tanking and not conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL. Isn't it time that this aspect is investigated - particularly given that some Carlton people were openly boasting about resting players to avoid their participation in a game they didn't want to win? Was someone leaning on Brett Ratten so that he wouldn't place a tag on Travis Johnstone in the Kreuzer Cup? No, I don't think the AFL wants to know and the heroes in the media who have suddenly gone shtum don't either.

And what about Terry Wallace's admission. That's never been investigated before to my knowledge. Where's the call for an investigation?

given rats was unceremoniously sacked recently i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a few stories to tell, especially under threats and table thumping

there again carlton does have the carlton crew for backup purposes

[sue 9,193]

I have now spoken to 2 journos on different papers, who feel that the AFL will do what it can to stop a Blues investigation. Maybe a Chairman of the Commission who is a former Blues captain has something to do with it or 360 poker machines, but whatever the reason there IS no integrity in the AFL at the moment.

What is more perplexing is that the press will not even discuss it. It is obviously a no go zone. The question is why and then how it effects their integrity as newspapers.

Did the journos say why they weren't interested in publishing anything on it? Was the fact they had decided the AFL wouldn't do anything implicitly the reason? Or had the AFL cowed them in some way?

[Redleg 41,942]

Did the journos say why they weren't interested in publishing anything on it? Was the fact they had decided the AFL wouldn't do anything implicitly the reason? Or had the AFL cowed them in some way?

No, they probably value their jobs.

[Hulett Packard III 166]

Did the journos say why they weren't interested in publishing anything on it? Was the fact they had decided the AFL wouldn't do anything implicitly the reason? Or had the AFL cowed them in some way?

If you're suggesting the AFL puts pressure on journalists not to publish stories (i.e do their jobs), isn't that conduct unbecoming and prejudicial to the interests of the free media?

[beelzebub 23,390]

Unfortunately the writing is on the wall and the fix is in.

We were unceromoniously boned. When there is a corrupt regime who are only too happy to work hand in glove with feral elements of the 4th estate you really are up against it.

Whilst Vlad and Fitz are anywhere near the helm no more will be done about tanking, no other teams scrutinized. They have their sacrificial lamb.

Ive taken some time to mull all of this over. Im still disappointed we blinked. In all seriousness id rather we put it all on the line. Sometimes you have to.

Don and co did a commendable job but we lost. Quite frankly those that are suggesting we were officially exonerated are deluding themselves. McGuire never would have stood for such an outcome.

Im not sure what we stand for now. Offically or unofficially were now the 'tankers" . Its like being found guilty without a conviction being recorded. There are 500,000 reasons to back that notion up.

Ive become a little less interested in football now. I love footy. I am passionate about Melbourne. This club just continues to suck everything out of its followers and delivers sfa.

For me they had better bloody well look like something this year or after nearly 50 years of unwavering support .I might flinch. Lifes too short.

The AFL are nothing but a but of f'n self serving egostistical bullies. Sometimes the only way you deal with such is to smack him from one end of the hallway to the other.

Thats all i really care to say on the matter.

On with season 2013. wants to get better. Not overly impressed to date.

[daisycutter 29,892]

If you're suggesting the AFL puts pressure on journalists not to publish stories (i.e do their jobs), isn't that conduct unbecoming and prejudicial to the interests of the free media?

AFL Intehgrity Unit = Army Intelligence = Oxymoron

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

Unfortunately the writing is on the wall and the fix is in.

We were unceromoniously boned. When there is a corrupt regime who are only too happy to work hand in glove with feral elements of the 4th estate you really are up against it.

Whilst Vlad and Fitz are anywhere near the helm no more will be done about tanking, no other teams scrutinized. They have their sacrificial lamb.

Ive taken some time to mull all of this over. Im still disappointed we blinked. In all seriousness id rather we put it all on the line. Sometimes you have to.

Don and co did a commendable job but we lost. Quite frankly those that are suggesting we were officially exonerated are deluding themselves. McGuire never would have stood for such an outcome.

Im not sure what we stand for now. Offically or unofficially were now the 'tankers" . Its like being found guilty without a conviction being recorded. There are 500,000 reasons to back that notion up.

Ive become a little less interested in football now. I love footy. I am passionate about Melbourne. This club just continues to suck everything out of its followers and delivers sfa.

For me they had better bloody well look like something this year or after nearly 50 years of unwavering support .I might flinch. Lifes too short.

The AFL are nothing but a but of f'n self serving egostistical bullies. Sometimes the only way you deal with such is to smack him from one end of the hallway to the other.

Thats all i really care to say on the matter.

On with season 2013. wants to get better. Not overly impressed to date.

Totally agree with all the above BB.

Boned with a "not guilty" I have no doubt the President had an AK47 pointed at his head as he was told to agree to these terms.

Yes it could have been a lot worse, but rolling over to a corrupt organization is not how i like to live and i find it hard to support.

Last thursdays FC at least got the rest of the info out there in a concise manner. Kennett's reaction was real.

The MFC must show marked improvement in all areas this year or else i will lose any interest.

As you say "Life is too short"

I wish to be buried in my MFC scarf, but the club must earn that right from me and all its members and supporters.