Poll - Wines or Toumpas

[Lucifers Hero 40,578]

I am certain that many here won't take nearly that long - how about round 4, 2103?

We need to wait 90 years!!!***

[Fat Tony 5,322]

Let me preface by saying I would go for best available. In saying this, our midfield clearly needs pace and skill more than it needs grunt IMO. The only young midfielders on the 2012 list who I have confidence in being long-term AFL footballers are Jones, Grimes, Trengove and Sylvia. Of this list, only Sylvia provides any real line breaking ability. (You could add Watts, Blease and Howe to this list, but I doubt any of them will become full time midfielders.)

Viney should also add a good inside presence, which lessens the requirement for other inside mids even more IMO.

Moreover, inside mids seem to be generally attainable with later picks. (Barlow, Sewell, Mitchell, Tuck, Scott Selwood and Kennedy spring to mind.)

Hopefully Toumpas is available with our pick and we take him. Otherwise I would even consider Menzel, despite the risks.

[Demons 32 235]

I don't remember where I read it, but I do remember hearing Viney speak about Toumpas... It went something like:

Q: Who has impressed you the most this year? Who would you want to play with?

JV: Jimmy Toumpas has really impressed me lately, i'd love to play with him.

Also worth noting that when Viney was officially awarded to us via the mini draft that Toumpas went out of his way to congratulation Viney on twitter, Viney then said "thanks mate your next".

So I think talk of Viney and Wines having a bromance is ridiculous.

[BIG JIM 508]

QUEENS BIRTHDAY 2013 SWAN IS GOING NUTS.

WHO DO WE WANT? TUFF INSIDE MID OR OUTSIDE RUN.

RING ANY BELLS?

MARK NEELD SAYS: WINES & VINEY.

[tonatopia 278]

For some reason, I think Wines will have a hunger similar to Ben Cousins, but a brute toughness like Dustin Martin.

But on the other hand, Toumpas reminds me of Darren Jarmen.

Balls or class?

That is the question.

What a wonderful problem to have.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,111]

I say Toumpas. I know that everyone loves the thought of Wines and Viney working as a double-act in the middle and monstering teams, but Toumpas has a huge reputation as a match-winner with genuine skill and pace. He may not be as hard as Wines, but he isn't soft (like other no. 4s) and I think he has Wines covered in pretty much every other aspect.

I should add, I am one of those salivating at the thought of Wines/Viney in the middle in a few years.

[McQueen 17,867]

What's the ratio of outside to inside mids in a team anyway? Does such a thing exist? Surely the mix of a team is directly reflective of a coaches game plan and overall strategy. When looking back on Baileys tenure the general sentiment is that the team was built from drafting fleet-footed offensive players. Now after one season from Neeld, supporters are concerned about having too many inside, contested types.

Neeld has spoken of his preference of grunt. Whether he has the right mix for his next phase of the clubs strategy by including another grunt midfielder following Viney or if now is the right time for a Toumpas who knows.

I've been leaning towards Wines for the last few months but with the latest rumours suggesting GWS passing on him it makes the decision that much harder.

Does Wines have capacity to play outside?

Does Toumpas have the capacity to play inside crash and bash?

Tough decision but at least this time around I have total faith in the recruiters to make the right call.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,111]

What's the ratio of outside to inside mids in a team anyway? Does such a thing exist?

I prefer to have people to whom such labels do not apply.

[baysidedave 246]

Is Toumpas an indigenous player?

[baysidedave 246]

I say Toumpas. I know that everyone loves the thought of Wines and Viney working as a double-act in the middle and monstering teams, but Toumpas has a huge reputation as a match-winner with genuine skill and pace. He may not be as hard as Wines, but he isn't soft (like other no. 4s) and I think he has Wines covered in pretty much every other aspect.

I should add, I am one of those salivating at the thought of Wines/Viney in the middle in a few years.

Thats my problem with Toumpas, we just don't want 'soft'

[Hannibal 5,814]

What's the ratio of outside to inside mids in a team anyway? Does such a thing exist? Surely the mix of a team is directly reflective of a coaches game plan and overall strategy. When looking back on Baileys tenure the general sentiment is that the team was built from drafting fleet-footed offensive players. Now after one season from Neeld, supporters are concerned about having too many inside, contested types.

Neeld has spoken of his preference of grunt. Whether he has the right mix for his next phase of the clubs strategy by including another grunt midfielder following Viney or if now is the right time for a Toumpas who knows.

I've been leaning towards Wines for the last few months but with the latest rumours suggesting GWS passing on him it makes the decision that much harder.

Does Wines have capacity to play outside?

Does Toumpas have the capacity to play inside crash and bash?

Tough decision but at least this time around I have total faith in the recruiters to make the right call.

Firstly, for the poster that asked whether Toumpas was soft, or not the answer is no. Don't you guys have Foxtel ? Also, he captained SA at the championships. You don't make a soft player your state captain - unless your name is Bryce Gibbs. OK forget that last bit.

McQueen: I'm very happy to have a quality big bodied inside mid at the club, but I'd prefer Toumpas purely because he's a better player.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I am certain that many here won't take nearly that long - how about round 4, 2103?

HaHaHa, maybe sonner Mono, I'll try for Rnd 8 2013?

[saka888 54]

the fact that Toumpas said "I'd love to stay at home in Adelaide" would concern me in a couple of years... its Wines for me

[bing181 9,436]

Is Toumpas an indigenous player?

Greek Cypriot.

If it matters.

[Gippsland Dee 367]

I still think wines. I think as he is already a really good tough, contested ball winner that puts him ahead. My reason being that i think it would be easier to teach a player to get in the right positions for uncontested footy than to teach them the other side of it. wines could have both easier than toumpas could and i think Toumpas may be solely an outside player. I may be making up a whole heap of gobley [censored] though!

[monoccular 17,701]

HaHaHa, maybe sonner Mono, I'll try for Rnd 8 2013?

Srooy, a brfie monemt fo dylesxia

[tonatopia 278]

Greek Cypriot.

If it matters.

Actually, that does matter.

It matters plenty.

For the amount of Greeks in Australia, they havnt bred many good footballers. Especially when you compare the per/capita ratio against the Irish, Italians, Maltese and Croatians.

Nb. Koutafides had an Italian mother.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

All along I've hoped for Toumpas, but that looked out of reach until recently.

To get him on the outside whilst Viney is in and under looks like a match made in heaven.

It reminds me a bit of Swan and Pendles.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Actually, that does matter.

It matters plenty.

For the amount of Greeks in Australia, they havnt bred many good footballers. Especially when you compare the per/capita ratio against the Irish, Italians, Maltese and Croatians.

Nb. Koutafides had an Italian mother.

Also depends on what sport they choose to play, talking numbers is fine, but if there is 100 "aussies" playing AFL compared to 100 greeks only 10 of them may play AFL, yes that it a stereotype but for a while it would be the case and still be in many cases that they may play soccer imo, which is fine. so only 10 may be playing afl and it is 100 vs 10 if you follow

[tonatopia 278]

Also depends on what sport they choose to play, talking numbers is fine, but if there is 100 "aussies" playing AFL compared to 100 greeks only 10 of them may play AFL, yes that it a stereotype but for a while it would be the case and still be in many cases that they may play soccer imo, which is fine. so only 10 may be playing afl and it is 100 vs 10 if you follow

Yes, but soccer is the national game in Croatia and italy, yet if you look at the numbers, there are many champion croatian and Italian footballers, yet it is hard to name a champion Greek footballer.

Just saying.

[angrydee 842]

Yes, but soccer is the national game in Croatia and italy, yet if you look at the numbers, there are many champion croatian and Italian footballers, yet it is hard to name a champion Greek footballer.

Just saying.

Lou and Ron Richards come to mind, as do Kouta and Ang Christou off the top of my head.

[Demon 16 216]

Yes, but soccer is the national game in Croatia and italy, yet if you look at the numbers, there are many champion croatian and Italian footballers, yet it is hard to name a champion Greek footballer.

Just saying.

Italy has a great record for good AFL players - but the Greeks have produced the same number of decent players as Croatia, and many other countries.

Further to others previously mentioned; Malaxos, Demetriou, Francou, Daicos, Zaharakis.. etc etc

[Guest NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

Italy has a great record for good AFL players - but the Greeks have produced the same number of decent players as Croatia, and many other countries.

Further to others previously mentioned; Malaxos, Demetriou, Francou, Daicos, Zaharakis.. etc etc

And the king of them all ... Con Gorozides.

[tonatopia 278]

Italy has a great record for good AFL players - but the Greeks have produced the same number of decent players as Croatia, and many other countries.

Further to others previously mentioned; Malaxos, Demetriou, Francou, Daicos, Zaharakis.. etc etc

Daicos was Macedonian.

There are 1/3 the number of Croatians in Australia, yet they produce players like; Pavlich, Sumich, Allen Jakovich, Glen Jakovich, Didak, Gasper, Scott Watters, Starcevich, Mathew Richardson, Sam Kekovich, Tony Modra.

180,000 Greeks immigrated to Australia, after breeding, now there is around 300,000, for very little return in regards to decent footballers. I wonder if it is something about their temperament.

Put it this way, if we were to draft Jimmy 'the Greek' Toumpas, he better develop to be the best Greek footballer that has ever played AFL.

[daisycutter 29,927]

Daicos was Macedonian.

There are 1/3 the number of Croatians in Australia, yet they produce players like; Pavlich, Sumich, Allen Jakovich, Glen Jakovich, Didak, Gasper, Scott Watters, Starcevich, Mathew Richardson, Sam Kekovich, Tony Modra.

180,000 Greeks immigrated to Australia, after breeding, now there is around 300,000, for very little return in regards to decent footballers. I wonder if it is something about their temperament.

Put it this way, if we were to draft Jimmy 'the Greek' Toumpas, he better develop to be the best Greek footballer that has ever played AFL.

Richo is Croatian? I didn't know that