And another one bites the dust - Cook

[DeeM 42]

i did mention that this would happen a couple months ago.

Brett Lovett has said to some of the melbourne people, that both Gysberts and Cook should 'never play AFL football'

[beelzebub 23,376]

i did mention that this would happen a couple months ago.

Brett Lovett has said to some of the melbourne people, that both Gysberts and Cook should 'never play AFL football'

and Lovett's a pretty astute judge of ability. Id take his word.

[Hannibal 5,814]

It's not development, it's dud drafting. If Prendergast had done this to a European soccer club he'd be beefing up his home security.

We've finally got a coach that recognises duds. If it looks like a dud, smells like a dud, plays like a dud, it's in all likelihood a dud. I'm enjoying seeing these duds on the chopping block.

It's the happiest I've been all season.

[beelzebub 23,376]

It's not development, it's dud drafting. If Prendergast had done this to a European soccer club he'd be beefing up his home security.

We've finally got a coach that recognises duds. If it looks like a dud, smells like a dud, plays like a dud, it's in all likelihood a dud. I'm enjoying seeing these duds on the chopping block.

It's the happiest I've been all season.

me too

Its a BIG message to everyone else.. Shape up..or well ship you out...tout de suite

[Little Richard 6,262]

Im not surprised about cook because he has shown no form whatsoever.

But Gysberts??? Surely he is ahead of Couch,Magner,Bennell.??

This one will come back to bite us....you dont consistently rack up 25 plus possesions every week, if your no good.

Maybe Neeld has firm recruiting plans, for players in exact positions and Boak is already signed.

mmmmmmmm? dont know......

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Definitely think we should hang on to Gysberts unless there's some major issue that we can't see. Unlike a lot of the kids we have recently drafted he has actually shown a fair bit.

[beelzebub 23,376]

What we are seeing now is a coach who has the smarts to assess the list, work out whos a keeper, and whos a pretender. Of theose pretenders hes worked out who we might get a coin for if we act now. Hes acting now.

This guys knows what hes doing

[old dee 23,791]

By the right price, i mean a early to mid 2nd rounder.

I highly doubt we would offload him for anything less

There might be someone at Geelong we want?

[Wells 11 5,401]

What we are seeing now is a coach who has the smarts to assess the list, work out whos a keeper, and whos a pretender. Of theose pretenders hes worked out who we might get a coin for if we act now. Hes acting now.

This guys knows what hes doing

I hope so. It definitely takes us out of the mind set of " just wait a few years for the highly rated kids to come on" and more in the mind set of "lets cut our losses and start again with a new tougher blueprint"

Maybe its the best way to go....it sure didnt look like the first way was bearing fruit.

[IRW 1,387]

I think bluey that the club will give him his full 3 years and then make a decision.

I expect next year to be bleak with so many new faces and at the beginning of a rebuild. I don't expect we'll pick up much experienced talent this draft

To axe him next year would just be too much turmoil and given that the board has given him the ok to wield the axe not enough time to measure progress

I expect many will be calling for blood next year but he will see out at least his contracted 3 years

End of 2014 will be a MFC watershed and not just for the coach

Thank goodness for some sanity about this draft and next season.

Bluey is a 'glass empty' sorta guy but he's correct in highlighting Neelds window of opertunity (spelling as a mark of respect for Blue). Thus far he's shown nothing but his cold side and the total support of the Board and other backroomers is crucial to his success and perhaps MFC's survival.

The ace in his hand is that MFC doesnt appear to have many influential supporters who give a stuff about reving up the ante or interfering if it means they have to commit.

Edited September 5, 2012 by IRW

[Hannibal 5,814]

And now there's going to be angst about Gysberts by some supporters. In his third year he couldn't get games at the worst Melbourne side I've seen since 1981. He's slow, he has no tank, he doesn't work hard enough in the gym, he's an average to poor kick, put simply, he has no hurt factor. He's good in close, but it's not enough to become a dominant midfielder at AFL level. And some want a first rounder for him ? Good grief.

He should and will go.

[beelzebub 23,376]

I hope so. It definitely takes us out of the mind set of " just wait a few years for the highly rated kids to come on" and more in the mind set of "lets cut our losses and start again with a new tougher blueprint"

Maybe its the best way to go....it sure didnt look like the first way was bearing fruit.

This clubs motto must have surely been for years "munyana" for we never really bit any bullets and got stuck into a valid reality. It was always down the track, always collecting picks, always buggeriing up drafts ( in the main ) . it was always about an endless tomorrow.

Neeld lives in today. Today I want to see you play, today you are on notice and today we will [censored] you off to where-ever if you dont step up to the plate and actually do something...today.

Today he has the knives out.

Today is good

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I gotta say that this is disappointing.

Not only did we stuff up the draft selection, we clearly failed to develop Cook, and now it seems Neeld doesn't want to invest another year or two in this kid.

I suppose if you don't have it you don't have it, but we've persisted with so many poor players who we knew were never going to make it, like Bate (who Neeld insisted on keeping), and yet we won't give Cook an extra pre-season under Mission.

I have no issue with the clean out, but to get rid of kids like Cook and possibly Gysberts for such a low return, is not going to leave us much better off. The chances of picking a good player with the third or fourth round pick we'll get for Cook, is close to zero.

The club has to make a decision about how much time they are prepared to give a player to develop and if they can be certain that he will turn out the way they want him. They cannot invest a further 3 to 4 years only to find out at the end of it he hasn't developed at all; if we were a top side you can take a chance but in our situation you can't.

There are lot's of physical pressures on AFL players when they take the field and it doesn't have to be actual it can be implied and a player needs to know how to handle it and not be intimidated by it.

As for Gysberts he has been on the list for 4 years and hasn't put on any weight or developed his body so the club may view him as a player that just doesn't have the body to play the game the way we want it played.

[dee-luded 2,959]

This is pretty impressive so far, good to see drastic action. I'm liking Neeld more and more, he's going to make a real football club out of the MFC.

This club is going to be Stiffened Up.

[beelzebub 23,376]

This club is going to be Stiffened Up.

must be the pills

[rpfc 28,427]

Why are we telling people that he would be delisted otherwise?

Surely that reduces his trade value...

He's OOC, so if we were to shop him around extensively it doesn't make much sense for him to re-sign does it?

And the Hun is being very flagrant with there use of 'delisted' as there are those that are actually 'delisted' and there are those that are just not 're-signed' but are not delisted.

For example - Bennell will probably be delisted at the first list lodgement. He is then available to sign in Delisted FA that starts Nov 1, but there are those that won't be delisted by their clubs and will have to enter the draft to find a new home.

[old dee 23,791]

The club has to make a decision about how much time they are prepared to give a player to develop and if they can be certain that he will turn out the way they want him. They cannot invest a further 3 to 4 years only to find out at the end of it he hasn't developed at all; if we were a top side you can take a chance but in our situation you can't.

There are lot's of physical pressures on AFL players when they take the field and it doesn't have to be actual it can be implied and a player needs to know how to handle it and not be intimidated by it.

As for Gysberts he has been on the list for 4 years and hasn't put on any weight or developed his body so the club may view him as a player that just doesn't have the body to play the game the way we want it played.

Hard to disagree with any of that RobbieF

[DemonDave 1,089]

Every time I've seen Cooks name in the Casey seconds team at selection this year, you knew it was driving him closer to delisting so no real surprise with this one.

The only surprise is that people are surprised (I can excuse Herald Sun journos who have no idea where his footy has been at this year).

Time and time again the match reviews have said Cook has had 8 or 9 touches, ran to the right spots but failed to impact the contest.

I'll give him Luke Molans number, he's been kicking bags every week in my local comp for Spotswood, they can compare tales of being a first draft pick that barely

saw out two years at the club.

[Sir Why You Little 37,036]

Bye. 2 years of Casey 2nds. Thank Barry you twit.

[Jonesbag 487]

If Gysberts goes then not only will I be walk down to the MFC and start throwing haymakers but ill be forced to buy old dee a beer seeing he told me all along!

[Lucifers Hero 39,799]

The exodus of players is one thing but as the toll mounts who are we going to replace them with? The list of available experienced "name" players is dwindling -eg Boak gone, Cloke not wanted, Tippett going north if anywhere. If we replace all our losses with draft picks or fringe players from other clubs, I fear we are going to sit in the doldrums for many, many years.

why should they be 'name' players...Sydney and Richmond have done very well with hard working, right attitude types...As Barassi said talent will get you into the AFL...its what you do with the talent that counts

[old dee 23,791]

If Gysberts goes then not only will I be walk down to the MFC and start throwing haymakers but ill be forced to buy old dee a beer seeing he told me all along!

Hey Jonesbag we don't need an excuse I will buy you a beer.

Being a dees man is enough.

PS I would prefer to see him play 2013 but the drums are suggesting otherwise

[old dee 23,791]

why should they be 'name' players...Sydney and Richmond have done very well with hard working, right attitude types...As Barassi said talent will get you into the AFL...its what you do with the talent that counts

Spot on LH

[Longsufferingnomore 1,631]

god you talk sh!t

I think Bluey and Stui are from the same genetic pool.

[olisik 4,060]

I read somewhere that Kennedy from Syd is uncontracted, how has this slipped under the radar...

[syl 40]

I think you may be over stating the circumstance old timer.

If Neeld for example loses the first 8 games, and there is every indication of that, considering the experienced departures, he will be done, no way will the club stick fat for another two years of losing.

Whaaaa?? That's ridiculous. If the board move to strike within the first 8 weeks then the members should be galvanised in calling for the board's dismissal. They got him in, they bought in to the idea of the re-re-rebuild and now they must see it though!