Dockers dragging their anchor.

[Paul Gardner 6]

1 Geelong 17 16 0 1 1969 1298 152 64

2 Bulldogs 16 13 1 2 1882 1482 127 54

3 Hawthorn 17 13 0 4 1840 1495 123 52

4 Sydney 17 10 1 6 1605 1338 120 42

5 Kangaroos 17 9 1 7 1598 1634 98 38

6 Collingw&%$ 17 9 0 8 1828 1611 113 36

7 Adelaide 17 9 0 8 1563 1472 106 36

8 Brisbane 17 9 0 8 1779 1690 105 36

9 St Kilda 17 9 0 8 1588 1578 101 36

10 Richmond 17 8 1 8 1781 1831 97 34

11 Carlton 16 7 0 9 1587 1687 94 28

12 Essendon 17 7 0 10 1686 1960 86 28

13 Port Adelaide 17 5 0 12 1607 1746 92 20

14 Fremantle 17 4 0 13 1517 1653 92 16

15 West Coast 17 3 0 14 1302 1940 67 12

16 Melbourne 17 2 0 15 1309 2026 65 8

Dockers V Eagles derby next week.

Could tip Freo out of priority pick contention.

[Jaded No More 58,358]

Dockers V Eagles derby next week.

Could tip Freo out of priority pick contention.

You better hope like hell West Coast win that one, because Freo are no longer a direct threat to our chances of getting the number 1 pick.

If West Coast win we'll certainly finish last, even if we do beat them in Round 20.

[LeBron James 41]

Very true Jaded. Carn Eagles!

[DEES 0]

eagles will lose. I think what they did against the saints is what they are capable of doing every week, there list hasn't had that much of a change and winning against the saints was a test to see where they are at.

[Adzman 2,085]

I am all for Freo winning this one. Helps us secure a better pick in the second round, and I am all for that!!

WC will tank it. They are already a game and % ahead of us as it is. freo winning is a bigger plus for us than WC winning.

[praha 10,293]

*sigh* I can't believe we're all cheering on a team to win so as we finish last. I mean really, it's quite depressing when you think about it.

Nonetheless, carn the Eagles!

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Im all for the draft...but it is stupid that as soon as your team is out of finals contention you are torn between wanting wins and losses. There seems no real logical way to fix that though

[sylvinator 96]

Im all for the draft...but it is stupid that as soon as your team is out of finals contention you are torn between wanting wins and losses. There seems no real logical way to fix that though

solution = lottery system for bottom 4 clubs

[Demons 32 235]

Why do people want to finish last, id be happy with Watts or Naita, try and win, no one wants to be the shittest team.... do you?

[praha 10,293]

Im all for the draft...but it is stupid that as soon as your team is out of finals contention you are torn between wanting wins and losses. There seems no real logical way to fix that though

Lottery for bottom 8 teams. Bottom team gets most chances of winning 1st pick, 9th placed team has least chance. Top 8 go in order of ladder position.

You have 5,000 or so balls in a machine, each ball with numbers 9-16, representing ladder position. 3,000 or so of the balls have the number 16, 1,000 have 15, 400 have 14 and you get less and less the higher up the ladder you get until 9.

[Jerry Lundergard 382]

Lottery for bottom 8 teams. Bottom team gets most chances of winning 1st pick, 9th placed team has least chance. Top 8 go in order of ladder position.

You have 5,000 or so balls in a machine, each ball with numbers 9-16, representing ladder position. 3,000 or so of the balls have the number 16, 1,000 have 15, 400 have 14 and you get less and less the higher up the ladder you get until 9.

And there will still be perceived to be tanking in order to get a higher number of balls.

It happens in the NBA. The Celtics were said to be tanking 2 years ago to position themselves the best chance at getting Greg Oden, instead they get pick 4( i think), pull off a couple of great trades and win the championship, and Oden goes to Portland and misses the season with an injury. So go figure.

[ChaserJ 3,964]

Why do people want to finish last, id be happy with Watts or Naita, try and win, no one wants to be the shittest team.... do you?

Not just the no 1 pick at stake here, but the highest possible second round pick. If West Coast win, both Freo and WC would just need to win one each (they both have a realistic shot at winning one of their last four) to rule themselves out of a priority pick. We could be looking at 1, 17 and 18 if Freo and WC finish ahead of us on 5+ wins. That would be (draftwise) extremely advantageous to the Demons going forward.

[deanox 8,676]

i think the most advantageous thing aobut it all is the first pick in the PSD. it allows you to hold any club over a barrel for any player. more important than the difference between picks 1 and 2 i believe.

[beelzebub 22,230]

i think the most advantageous thing aobut it all is the first pick in the PSD. it allows you to hold any club over a barrel for any player. more important than the difference between picks 1 and 2 i believe.

Good to see someones paying attention to the real issues. If we have PSD #1..we dont have to sacrifice any second ..or such round picks in trades for anyone we want out of PSD.. Gives us a very much better situation. Stikes me strange ( and yet not ) that so few grasp this.

Put simply..it makes our life easier

[45HG 1,539]

But if West Coast finish last, why would they sign a guy who has already stated that he wants to come to Melbourne, and would probably only sign a one year contract with them anyway, when they so desperately need to build their team.

I don't see Dean Cox going anywhere soon either

[titan_uranus 22,524]

If Pavlich returns, Freo will win. If not, it will be closer, but I think Freo's form is better.

[Neita3000 37]

We won't win two more games for the season. So three picks in the top 20 is pretty much a lock. If only we had lost to the Bulldogs last year.

Picks 1,2, 17

Can any supporter come up to me and say they would have rather us beat the Dogs in 07?

[Diablo 1]

We won't win two more games for the season. So three picks in the top 20 is pretty much a lock. If only we had lost to the Bulldogs last year.

Picks 1,2, 17

Can any supporter come up to me and say they would have rather us beat the Dogs in 07?

I'm sure some of the winning culture berks will tell you that win meant everything to them

Lord... I'm not having this argument again.

[Pipefitter 2,024]

We won't win two more games for the season. So three picks in the top 20 is pretty much a lock. If only we had lost to the Bulldogs last year.

Picks 1,2, 17

Can any supporter come up to me and say they would have rather us beat the Dogs in 07?

Yeah that would be nice, but id rather not be chucked in the same lot as carlton. We will come last this year, theres no point cheering on other teams to ensure it. Poor support. Picks 4, 14 + 21 last year and pick 1, 17, 18 this year is quite a handy base to build on dont you think?

[Paul Gardner 6]

1 Geelong 17 16 0 1 1969 1298 152 64

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13 Port Adelaide 17 5 0 12 1607 1746 92 20

14 Fremantle 17 4 0 13 1517 1653 92 16

15 West Coast 17 3 0 14 1302 1940 67 12

16 Melbourne 17 2 0 15 1309 2026 65 8

Dockers V Eagles derby next week.

Could tip Freo out of priority pick contention.

Just want to say guys that this wasn't inspired by whqat was written in Sat' sun, I didn't read it till Sunday night.

Just hopefull that we get as many young kids drafted in the next few years as we possibly can.

This is great,as we can now build a premiership winning team of passionate people who will finally take us all the way.

[Tony Tea 2,792]

Why would any Demons advocate a lottery - at the moment? Hawthorn, StKilda, Footscray, Richmond and especially Carlton clean up big time courtesy of priority picks, yet we have fans who want to change the status quo so that we, potentially, miss out.

With the new teams next year, we will be best served by winning less than four again. That way we will at least guarantee ourselves a shot at the number one*, rather than having to wait for the new teams to rake the draft of all the top talent. I don't want to be rubbish, but I'd take being rubbish and getting extra talent, to being next-to-rubbish and missing out.

*At this point it is inconclusive as to who is to get next year's first pick - the new team, or a team in line for a No.1 priority pick because they got 4 or less wins in 2008 and 2009.

[Paul Gardner 6]

You better hope like hell West Coast win that one, because Freo are no longer a direct threat to our chances of getting the number 1 pick.

If West Coast win we'll certainly finish last, even if we do beat them in Round 20.

I'm not worried about if we take Watts or Rich, either will do, but my point is not sharing priority picks with too many teams.

You see I believe that it not only is about getting the best player we need, but also creating a talent gap to overtake the likes of carlton.

[H_T 2,941]

West Coast might win again this week.