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Jason Taylor - Is he up to it?

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My thoughts? This is such a stupid thread plain and simple. Salem will be a star. His game on the weekend showed how badly we missed him all year. Jay is still young and already played 20 games. Jayd

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The writing is on the wall for Derek Hine at Collingwood.   Gubby Allen is not back to run women's team and netball for long and Derek must surely be polishing up his CV. When Jason Taylor was at

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I have total confidence that Billy Stretch and Alex Neal-Bullen will be first choice regulars within 2 years based on what they've shown with only a handful of games this year. They have the essential

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Have to agree. All that we wanted of Chris Dawes has been wasted. Cam Pedersen has overtaken him now. Time to move on and either trafe/draft for another KPF.

up there Heeendo, you beeauuty.

c'mon jason, lets have another key tall marking target to add to Hogan & the 'Ped'... pay what we have to to get him over the line & into RednBlue

I reckon we need a player with skills to play forward as a marking target, can play down back & can pinch the ruck as well.

so imo they should be about 196cm, & 96Kgs, with about 6 -7 years of footy ahead of them.

what can you do Jason?

& PJ come on, help out here... we need this other marking tall. can you help? maybe even prey to the all-mighty to get things shifting ? ;)

just a few thoughts

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c'mon jason, lets have another key tall marking target to add to Hogan & the 'Ped'... pay what we have to to get him over the line & into RednBlue

I reckon we need a player with skills to play forward as a marking target, can play down back & can pinch the ruck as well.

so imo they should be about 196cm, & 96Kgs, with about 6 -7 years of footy ahead of them.

what can you do Jason?

& PJ come on, help out here... we need this other marking tall. can you help? maybe even prey to the all-mighty to get things shifting ? ;)

just a few thoughts

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* BUMP *

While Jason Taylor has been in charge:

2013

Daniel Cross *

Aidan Riley *

Bernie Vince *

Dom Tyson *

Viv Michie *

Christian Salem *

Jay Kennedy-Harris *

Jayden Hunt

elevation of Mitch Clisby

re rookie of Neville Jetta *

James Harmes *

Max King ®

Alex Georgiou ® *

2014

Ben Newton *

Jeff Gartlett *

Heritier Lumumba *

Sam Frost *

Christian Petracca

Angus Brayshaw *

Alex Neal-Bullen *

Billy Stretch *

Oscar McDonald

elevation Neville Jetta *

Aaron vandenBerg ® *

Mitchell White

18/24 have played games in the 2 years that he has been our list manager.

I have bolded the real success stories in my opinion, but I am sure there are arguements for 2 or 3 more.

He has turned over our list and continued on what was beginning to happen under Todd Viney and Mark Neeld.

Jason Taylor and Paul Roos have put this club on the right track, with successful development of these players it is goign to be clear to see us playing finals in the next 2 years.

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* BUMP *

While Jason Taylor has been in charge:

2013

Daniel Cross *

Aidan Riley *

Bernie Vince *

Dom Tyson *

Viv Michie *

Christian Salem *

Jay Kennedy-Harris *

Jayden Hunt

elevation of Mitch Clisby

re rookie of Neville Jetta *

James Harmes *

Max King ®

Alex Georgiou ® *

2014

Ben Newton *

Jeff Gartlett *

Heritier Lumumba *

Sam Frost *

Christian Petracca

Angus Brayshaw *

Alex Neal-Bullen *

Billy Stretch *

Oscar McDonald

elevation Neville Jetta *

Aaron vandenBerg ® *

Mitchell White

18/24 have played games in the 2 years that he has been our list manager.

I have bolded the real success stories in my opinion, but I am sure there are arguements for 2 or 3 more.

He has turned over our list and continued on what was beginning to happen under Todd Viney and Mark Neeld.

Jason Taylor and Paul Roos have put this club on the right track, with successful development of these players it is goign to be clear to see us playing finals in the next 2 years.

With Vanders, Harmes, King and White it looks like he's done well with the rookie draft....White's not looking far off, King has some talent but a ways to go.

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With Vanders, Harmes, King and White it looks like he's done well with the rookie draft....White's not looking far off, King has some talent but a ways to go.

I dont have much of an understanding of the rookie list rule, but is it 3 years maximum. Obviously it looks as though Harmes and vandenBerg will be elevated but if King is coming up to the end of his contract would they allow him one more year?

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I have total confidence that Billy Stretch and Alex Neal-Bullen will be first choice regulars within 2 years based on what they've shown with only a handful of games this year. They have the essentials : reading the game, making AFL level decisions, AFL level skills in carry and disposal. Remember they are 18 years old, and have Angus Brayshaw as the first year standard at the club. Brayshaw is absolutely one out of the box, and will be a star of the competition. He's a cruel comparison for anyone. Overall an exceptional recruiting/drafting year. If next year is as good, things are looking very rosy. However, we MUST have a combination of regular and growing wins, and an inclusive 'team' collective culture to keep them all at the club. So far, so good.

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I dont have much of an understanding of the rookie list rule, but is it 3 years maximum. Obviously it looks as though Harmes and vandenBerg will be elevated but if King is coming up to the end of his contract would they allow him one more year?

Not sure on the rookie rules either 'Mad', but it would be good to see King get another year as he seems to have stepped up a bit this season. Judging by training early in the year he still has a long way to go to get his fitness and body right for AFL but does have good skills.

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I have total confidence that Billy Stretch and Alex Neal-Bullen will be first choice regulars within 2 years based on what they've shown with only a handful of games this year. They have the essentials : reading the game, making AFL level decisions, AFL level skills in carry and disposal. Remember they are 18 years old, and have Angus Brayshaw as the first year standard at the club. Brayshaw is absolutely one out of the box, and will be a star of the competition. He's a cruel comparison for anyone. Overall an exceptional recruiting/drafting year. If next year is as good, things are looking very rosy. However, we MUST have a combination of regular and growing wins, and an inclusive 'team' collective culture to keep them all at the club. So far, so good.

I agree, could absolutely label them as a success but also having featured in 5-6 games themselves I did not want to go the early crow.

I think both have really good endurance which will obviously be a pivotal aspect for players to have if the interchange cap decreases and Neal-Bullen has the ability to find space which is something important for modern footballers.

Future looks bright considering players like Petracca and Kent are still to come back from LTI and even Trenners

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I dont have much of an understanding of the rookie list rule, but is it 3 years maximum. Obviously it looks as though Harmes and vandenBerg will be elevated but if King is coming up to the end of his contract would they allow him one more year?

i thought the 3 years for rookies applied only to interstate recruits.......but could be wrong

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2007 - Morton, Grimes, Maric

2008 - Watts, Blease, Strauss

2009 - Scully, Trengove, Gysberts and Tapscott

2010 - Lucas Cook

2011 - Taggert, Tynan and Sellar

2012 - Toumpas and Viney*

That period was all pre-Taylor, (we know what happened in 2012 with the Toumpas/Neeld fiasco).

They're all top 25 picks except Viney who was pick 26 and except that 2011 period but I wanted to show that because it was a howler considering all of those players are gone.

The blokes highlighted are still on our list. Watts has been through hell and is only now beginning to show consistency in his form. Trengove, Grimes and Toumpas remain question marks for the next year. Which leaves Viney as our only pick during the pre-Taylor era as an absolute tick. He has improved every year he has played.

8 complete and utter fails who are no longer on our list.

3 who are battling for their AFL careers in Grimes, Trengove and Toumpas.

1 special case who will make it but it's been a long time coming in Watts.

Compare that period with what Taylor and co have been able to achieve.

The strike rate comparison is ridiculous and the rookies he's picked alone in Vanders, Harmes, White and king infuriate me considering we couldn't get a top 25 pick right for almost 5 years.

One of the many reasons we have been battling away for so long.

Thanks again BP. :roos:

(mostly anyway).

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Yes, it's a lovely read...

Oddly enough it is used by both sides in the argument for draft assistance over the last couple of years.

I say oddly because my Hawforn supporting mate is still adamant that we shouldn't have got any help 'because we did this to yourselves' with our terrible drafting.

When does a team not 'do it to themselves' when they become horrible?

He can be such a [censored] this bloke, we weren't even talking about PP or anything, I was just musing that it is good to see perennial losers like us, Saints, and Dogs finally rising with the expansion clubs...

Sigh.

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With Vanders, Harmes, King and White it looks like he's done well with the rookie draft....White's not looking far off, King has some talent but a ways to go.

this club has always done better thru its rookies,

............ as the shoulder rubbers don't elevate the rookies into hero status; until they have well & truly started to prove themselves. ... so they develop better in the shadows, without getting big heads

the draftees have always been given star status before their time. Not conducive to keeping their head straight, & focused on just learning & on trying to improve,

without the distractions of stardom.

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2007 - Morton, Grimes, Maric

2008 - Watts, Blease, Strauss

2009 - Scully, Trengove, Gysberts and Tapscott

2010 - Lucas Cook

2011 - Taggert, Tynan and Sellar

2012 - Toumpas and Viney*

That period was all pre-Taylor, (we know what happened in 2012 with the Toumpas/Neeld fiasco).

We don't really 'steve', there's been a lot of guess work though.

I'm not sure it matters much now apart from getting the record straight.

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Yes, it's a lovely read...

Oddly enough it is used by both sides in the argument for draft assistance over the last couple of years.

I say oddly because my Hawforn supporting mate is still adamant that we shouldn't have got any help 'because we did this to yourselves' with our terrible drafting.

When does a team not 'do it to themselves' when they become horrible?

He can be such a [censored] this bloke, we weren't even talking about PP or anything, I was just musing that it is good to see perennial losers like us, Saints, and Dogs finally rising with the expansion clubs...

Sigh.

this is exactly it.

the idea is to keep clubs from collapsing into a mound of soft guano. & being so far behind they cannot regroup into a strong competative power.

the rub is when the assistance is Given, but the club still manages to f*&k it up. I think this is what gets up the rest of the competitions noses re P/P.. they agree with help but not with exploiting the assistance.

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Keep in mind picking Viney is unlike picking many of the others.. Viney was ALWAYS coming to Melbourne.....it was just which pick was spent doing so.. Al l the rest were selections in the normal manner.....just saying

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That period was all pre-Taylor, (we know what happened in 2012 with the Toumpas/Neeld fiasco).

No we don't. That's speculation and innuendo at best. Much more likely was that all the recruiting team (including Todd Viney) felt Toumpas was a "can't miss" prospect and would compliment Viney Jnr at pick 26 better than Wines. Obviously it hasn't worked out but Neeld shouldn't get the blame for everything.

It was always going to be easy for Jason Taylor to look better than Barry Prendargast, but I think he has done a really good job so far. Pretty much all his picks have been nailed or at least showed early promise.

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