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(Only read this if you've got nothing better to do) That’s because Mr Leg and the whispering fellow are both lawyers with some grasp of how the law works and an understanding of how hearings like this function. Most of the media commentary you’re referring to is being uttered by Essendonians of one stripe or another who mistake the law (whatever it says, which they don’t know) and the Federal Court proceedings (whatever they mean, which they don’t know either) for their own wishful thinking. Have a look at the Social Litigator day 2 summary linked in an earlier post. Written by a lawyer who does understand what’s going on and does refer to and evaluate what actually took place, its scorecard tends towards the one Jack is compiling. Andruska seems to have played a few uncertain strokes yesterday, but the replay will no doubt show Middleton J that the ball didn’t take the edge, indeed probably didn’t even get near it. Certainly the sort of nonsense being put about that any problems in her evidence translate into an outright victory about to happen for the EFC/Jacques Le Tergivisant is just that: nonsense. The to-do that Essendon’s counsel attempted to invent about delegation shows just how little they understand about public administration, how it functions and its legal bases. The lawyers are largely just fishing around for something that looks like the sort of evidentiary slip that they can load up with the usual civil or criminal court case rhetoric that they know how to exploit. So far there’s only two things that might offer minor fissures for that kind of exploitation. One is the matter that Andruska didn’t seem to handle all that well about providing the information to the AFL that allowed the interim report and the sanctions against Essendon/Hird (definitely separate bodies now). The interim report doesn’t seem to be a ‘purpose’ that ASADA was contemplating within the terms of the regulation but also seemed to know about. Because of Andruska’s answers this is all a bit muddy, but assuming reg. 4.21 was violated Middleton J will still have to work out what the implications are for the processes of the investigation, which were presumably considerably wider, more detailed and involved than anything that took place around the AFL’s interim report. If EFC think that an appropriate remedy for this is the invalidation of ASADA’s investigation in toto (including everything gathered in the last year or so when Essendon has been clamouring for a hasty conclusion), tell ’em they’re dreaming. The other, more interesting and probably more important issue that Andruska’s evidence doesn’t seem to have swatted to the boundary is in the proposition that ASADA wanted a joint investigation with the AFL to take advantage of the AFL’s power to compel evidence from players who could otherwise have hidden behind the self-incrimination provisions of the ASADA Act. Given that the players, Hird, the EFC and everyone else with a vested interest in doing so has proclaimed that everything injected was ‘safe and legal’ or ‘we don’t actually know what it was but it was safe anyway’, it’s hard to see how any answers players might have given to ASADA could have been anticipated to be incriminating (Hird has advanced something like this in his line about accepting an ASADA investigation because he knew they wouldn't find anything). Presumably then they would have answered everything fully and frankly and without fear. One problem for Essendon’s/Hird’s lawyers is that they seem to think that their waving regulation 4.21 around the courtroom is somehow enough to smuggle this question about compulsion into the proceedings. But that regulation only covers information that ASADA provides to others, not information that others provide to ASADA. How could it do otherwise? Only ASADA is bound by the ASADA Act (unsurprisingly) but the efforts to get at the AFL through these proceedings might suggest that Little and his lot don’t quite understand this. And given all the fulminating about the AFL from Hird on the stand, I wonder whether the Appellants have made a serious error of judgement about what court they should really have been applying to. But compulsion is actually an important question and it seems to me to be the only one that has any potential legs, although it’s going to be up to Middleton J to work out how it’s covered by the ASADA Act and where a judgement on it should go since he’s received precious little guidance from the Appellants’ counsel about the legal questions involved. That’s assuming he gives their interpretation any credence anyway. I presume ASADA will have its own turn on both events and interpretations of the law to offer later on. Whether they raise it or not something that interests me is that the ASADA Act entitles a sportsperson to waive the right not to answer where self-incrimination might be involved. I don’t know what players’ contracts with the AFL look like, but if they contain some sort of clause compelling the player to provide evidence and answers in relation to any issue involving doping, that might have consequences for dealings that the player has with ASADA. This is probably one of those slippery slopes that lawyers don’t like, but it points to a really important question about what the AFL can and can’t do with the evidence it gathers. Anyone who thinks that, if there’d been no joint investigation, the AFL wouldn’t have conducted its own concurrent inquiry into doping has forgotten all too quickly about Vlad and his paranoias, especially the one about the game’s repute. As a participant in the NAD Scheme, the AFL would presumably have then felt obligated to pass on to ASADA any information the redoubtable Clothier gained about doping at Essendon, whether provided to him under compulsion or not. Of course, according to the sort of argument that Essendon’s/Hird’s learned counsel want the court to swallow, ASADA would presumably have had to look at various bits of incriminating evidence and say no more than ‘isn’t that interesting?’ before putting it in the bottom drawer. But there are other ways to read ASADA’s obligations that make much more sense. I toss in the name Clothier because he’s the one figure in all this who worries me. According to reports about the tanking-that-wasn’t investigation he spent his time throwing around some pretty heavy-handed threats about life bans, loss of employment and so on … and there was also the issue of strategic leaks that some thought could be traced to the investigators’ office. If Clothier has been behaving like the same sort of cowboy (although he does seem to have been a bit more circumspect according to Andruska’s notes) it doesn’t surprise me that Essendon/Hird/the players have an axe to grind about the investigation. But it’s the wrong axe. Besides, proceedings in the Supreme Court of Victoria would have been much more entertaining, especially if they’d forced Vlad into the witness box. They’d also have been much less damaging to the standing of Australian sport, Australian Football in particular (that’s the game we invented and that pretenders like Essendon can only ever borrow). Essendon want to think their business is under threat. Apart from the fact that this is a problem of their own making, it’s nothing beside what might happen to the game itself if they get their way. Oh, and a bit more Shaksper: ‘Who steals my purse steals trash … but he that filches from me my good name/Robs me of that which not enriches him/And makes me poor indeed.’ (Othello)

I agree, he should come storming on to the ground and nail three opposition players with a massive tackle

I am more than beside myself, nearly wore my 39 jumper into work this morning, but the anal retentives would probably whinge Nev was delisted to create another midfielder spot that Roos wanted, unfortunately at that time he was the obvious candidate, Jade Rawlings went into bat for him to be rookied One full preseason without a hiccup, one pre season without an operation of any kind, finally having a body that let's you perform, being played in the role that you love, he is now able to show the talent that got him drafted in the first place Ask the players about Nev and the one thing you get back is his character, he was never going to go down without a fight. I kind of feel sorry for the first GWS player he lines up this weekend NOT

But they were saying they don't understand why toumpas hasn't been playing well that just proves how much research they put into it, bit hard to play with after having surgery

Hate to be a spoiler but I cannot seriously see how Hogan will play one VFL game then straight into the team just to play in from of home crowd?? Since when has Paul Roos done that all year? Have people all of a sudden people just forgotten that Hogan hasn't played since March this year? He is coming a looong way back from a serious injury. What happens if he plays 60% game time and has 4 disposals and kicks 1 goal? Is that enough to come into the AFL side? Absolutely not! People need to stop with the romantic fact of playing in front of a home crowd. Its about managing his body and match conditioning not try and cause more injury to his developing body. Paul Roos and PJ has said over the years we have relied too much on these young kids to come in and star for us straight away. Jesse Hogan will need to earn his spot not just gifted to him because it will be his home crowd. Plenty more years to come for that im sure his family will understand for goodness sake. My opinion is he wil play about 60% game time this weekend then ramp it up to about 80 to 90% the week after in the VFL. if he plays really well and the club believes he has earnt a game then he will get one. If he doesn't then not the end of the world. He goes into Pre Season fit and firing. Common sense peoples!

I've read heaps of comments now from people who would be happy to see the club put Hogan on ice for the year. I must be the only selfish bastard who would be absolutely shattered if I don't get a glimpse of him this season.

The Kid has one a B&F in 2's has been training the house down for a month and people want him to go to Casey and suffer 3 weeks of rubbish delivery , scoreboard beltings , very little excitement and sarounded by 6 or 7 blokes who know that there careers are finished and don't want to be there. Straight into the team next week for me thanks.

In an article in today's Age mainly about Jack Watts, Roos talked also talked about role players and it resonated with me. “I think there’s this myth in footy that every premiership player has to be a superstar. "You have to have role players, you have to have guys who can do the job week in week out that perhaps people don’t recognise as great players externally but internally they’re extremely valuable players.” I think many here jump on players that basically do what is asked of them - they have talent "ceilings" and will never be superstars but do as the coaching staff wants. Bail is one player that comes to mind - many here pot him but I think he is one that fits exactly into the Roos quote above. The big disclaimer on Roos statement is the we just don't have any superstars and as much as the coaching staff like him, if you have a team completely made up of Bails you will go nowhere fast.

Jesse is set to make his comeback to footy this weekend via Casey Good luck Jesse

Yep role players... Plus Goodes, Kirk, Bolton, O'loughlin, O'Keefe etc... No one has doubted Roos' philosophy with role players so I find the "I told you so's" in this thread a bit hilarious, but what superstars do we have that make the role players actually role players? That's our list weakness and Roos said as much earlier in the year when talking about going after some gun mids at end of season.

Sorry WJ, I think you'll find that today's evidence will show this wasn't the case. Andruska was asked a whole lot of questions yesterday that should have been directed to the people that actually ran the investigation. She wasn't directly involved in it and it was one of many matters she would have dealt with as the Head of the organisation. I bet you will find that the memory of the people today who were directly involved is much sharper. There's no problem in delegating to them, they were probably more equipped to deal with actual investigations and reports than her anyway. She is an Administrator. In any case nearly all of that was irrelevant as there's only 3 questions in this case.1. Did ASADA have the power to carry out the investigation the way it did. This is a black and white legal question. Doesn't need any other evidence but a look at the Statutes that ASADA has its power from. 2. If ASADA didn't have the power do they have enough evidence that they got outside the "joint investigation" for the Notices to still be valid. If they did then no. 1 doesn't matter and the Notices will stand anyway. 3. If they didn't have the power and didn't have sufficient evidence other than the joint investigation and ASADA intend to issue new notices relying on other evidence, then Essendon and Hird are asking the Court to issue injunctions stopping ASADA from issuing any new Notices because the original one was invalid. In order to get an injunction the Applicants have to show that they have "clean hands" and are worthy parties to get the injunction. Not sure how they think they are going to argue that given their own internal Switkowski damning report. Plus all the other evidence including Hird's evidence yesterday which I think does more damage for him than help. He is saying I stood before the AFL Commission and apologised and told the Commission that it was sincere but actually I only did it because of "duress, etc". No clean hands there. Plus there's an element of public good v public harm and the harm to Australia's standing in world sport and every single Australian sportsman, would be severely compromised if ASADA were stopped from pursuing 34 drug cheats it is satisfied it has enough information on to issue Show Cause Notices.

Neil has been inspired to re- release his classic, inspired by his good friend James. I've managed to have a listen and it goes something like this....I caught you knocking the laboratory door " I love you Danky, can I have some more" Oooh, oooh the damage done. You hit the chateau and you lost your tan We' ll make you brown before you take the stand Gone, gone, the damage done. Jim brought the bong, and so I brought some cans. I know that some of u won't understand. Grows, hair to stop his ears from sticking out! I've seen the needle and the games you've won A little jab of it for everyone The Bombers epitaph is set in stone!

Neville Jetta poised to sign two-year contract with Melbourne Demons after being delisted in 2013 Well done Nev. Thats just reward for outstanding effort and application. Hope it becomes infectious edit Confimation: MFC twitter

If you look at Paul Roos' trading history, you would see that he has a VERY high strike rate with it. Moreover, you would see that he's not a big believer in draft picks, often trading out first round picks for average footballers. He then turned those average footballers into important role players. Some have even gone on to become AA. My point is, there's no way in hell Roos will trade out Watts, Toumpas, Grimes or Trengove for speculative draft picks. And nor should he.

King and Maclure FMD!!! About the only positive in those two is that they are marginally better than Robbo. They are all headline hunters. There are so many journo parasites sucking off the AFL, the only way to get attention is to have a bigger mouth/headline. They are all mostly bull shite.

Fook em rather beat them at full strength, I live and work around those Meth Coast front running supporters and my hatred for them has no end. Take it up to them and make them accountable and they are not that good, their forward line is a nightmare to match up on if you allow them clean use of the ball from midfield but win the midfield battle and clamp down on them, Priddis is going to get his hands on the ball you can't prevent that but he is not their main weapon through the middle. We must prevent Gaff, Shuey and Hurn having time and space, while Jamar and Gawn/Pedersen need to just break even at centre bounces. Do those things and we are halfway there. Easier said than done but it is no secret in how to beat them, they love getting involved in shoot outs but sides who take it up to them with uncompromised footy is not their forte. The game has been sold out for weeks and even if the Bombers beat them this week they will be up for next week treating it like a farewell party for Cox, but there were similar factors facing us with the Hafey and Cassisi games earlier in the season.

Did anyone else watch Misso injury report yesterday? The part we he spoke about Hoges really sparked my interest. He was really quick to answer and deflect and almost seemed agitated at the time the Matt Burgan had asked about Jesse. I watched it a couple times over last night trying to read Dave Misson's body language and came up with the theory that maybe Jesse was going to play for the Dees this week. Article on Melbourne website says Hogan to play this week - mentions VFL in the title but not specifically in the article. Perhaps still an outside chance to come straight into the AFL side? He has been training fully for a while now and is already a class above VFL, similar to what Gold Coast did with Jack Martin after a long time out perhaps?

my info is that Jesse will make his debut against West Coast infront of his family if he gets through this game okay. Roos and Mission basically told him he could play this week but strongly encouraged him to have a week at Casey first He's essentially been ready to play for a couple of weeks but the club is not willing to take any chances

There is no shame in "getting it wrong" when judging players. AFL recruiters do it all the time and they know much more than we do and they have so much more information. What I dislike is the bitterness and bile that gets thrown at these players by people who have probably never reached anything like that players level of expertize. To them footballers are some sort of comic book heroes that owe the supporter some sort of joy. When they fail to deliver many act like spoilt little boys who lash out and throw a fit. I also just love it when a player like Nev "makes" it. Against the odds and with some limitations in what he can do he's now become a very important part of the team and a very valuable contributor. And these same people who throw the bile and bitterness in the direction of players like Jetta now rejoice with no sense of how hypocritical they are and no thought that perhaps they should rethink how they judge players in future. Well done to Nev in particular because this thread is about you but also well done to players like Ricky Petterd, Jamie Bennell and Stef Martin who are establishing careers at other club "against the odds".

Disagree - we have recruited players that we expected (hoped ?) would turn out to be superstars and have turned out to be sometime role players ( with the occassional teasing cameo)

Old Will sure knew how to phrase an insult - a few more applicable to the current situation. Henry IV Part 1 “You starvelling, you eel-skin, you dried neat’s-tongue, you bull’s-pizzle, you stock-fish–O for breath to utter what is like thee!-you tailor’s-yard, you sheath, you bow-case, you vile standing tuck!” The Two Gentlemen of Verona - of Jacques Merde “Thou subtle, perjur’d, false, disloyal man!” And Henry V “There’s no more faith in thee than in a stewed prune.”

Excellent insights Whispering Jack. Thankyou for the time and effort taken. Very hard for us mere mortals to understand what is going on.

... and .. Firstly, the fact that the judge is pointing these things out shouldn't be taken as indicative of the fact that he's made up his mind. I've seen plenty of instances of judges or magistrates sounding like they're favouring one side during a trial or hearing but coming out with an often unexpected decision the other way.Secondly, the EFC and Hird have an arguable case that ASADA might possibly not had the power to conduct the investigation in the way that it has done but I'm not impressed by the argument that it was tainted to the point where the work done by ASADA should be buried away in the manner that the Applicants want it to happen. Apart from the main arguments we've heard there is the fact that the investigation continued several months beyond the part where the AFL was involved and included what I regard as the possible "remedial" work done after Judge Downes was called in. Then there's the public interest involving the basic question of whether players were in fact injected with banned substances i.e ascertaining the truth which is what James Hird constantly told the public was his main aim but which does not appear to be the case based on what we've heard in the past two days. I don't believe any of the parties are coming out of this with any honour or glory. ■ ASADA - has been shown up as your typical bureaucracy understaffed and under equipped, run by people of questionable competence and work ethic. That description applies to a number of government departments which I've come across so please forgive my cynicism on this subject when I suggest that given the above, Andruska comes across as the perfect head of this organisation. I described her elsewhere as a Geoffrey Boycott type, dour and defensive but that's all ASADA could really afford. A Greg Chappell type would be well beyond this organisation's budget but that's the reality of life in this area. The cross examination of Andruska undoubtedly brought out the fact that her department doesn't particularly carry out its role efficiently or competently but, on the other hand, I don't believe that it achieved its aim of convincing us or the judge that its conduct went as far as to indicate that it acted beyond its power. ■ AFL - what we know about this organisation and its leadership is being reinforced. They act always in their own self-interest, are tough-minded, manipulative and will do what's necessary to protect their own brand. Their mantra is integrity but, as we saw with tanking, they will act with integrity only when it suits them. Demetriou has been applauded for ensuring the AFL was in a far stronger position financially at the end of his term of office than when he started but I suspect that he will also be remembered for presiding over this and other fiascos in an embarrassing fashion and the game and the competition are already suffering as a result. ■ The Gillard government. The politicians who ran this show and brought it to the public notice in February 2013 undoubtedly come across as the most pathetic of all of the participants in this disaster for Australia and its sporting image. ■ EFC - I'm sure that both Evans and Little believed they were doing the best for the club. The change over from one to the other is proving to be a millstone around its next and nothing good can come to the Bombers as a result if its chemical experimentation of 2012. ■ James Hird. Speaking of millstones ... ■ The players. You have to feel sorry for them but they are no different to many other athletes who have become embroiled in doping controversies. Like it or not, the WADA Code has been designed to ensure that athletes in their position do not escape examination. They have been hard done by as a result of the incompetence, hard nosed manipulation and/or sheer crookedness of some of those involved in this mess and in that respect you have to pity them and also admire the way they've stuck fat and performed out on the field in what must be such a difficult time for them. However, they can't win because a finding in favour of the Application will leave them exposed to further ASADA investigation and /or leave their reputations in tatters. I'm not taking anything for granted in all of this. I suspect that the Federal Court proceeding is only the first of a number of battles in this saga of Shakespearean proportions. So on that note, how could I not mention the role of the good lady and this quote from one of his most misunderstood characters which sums up the game so well? "Glamis thou art, and Cawdor; and shalt be What thou art promised: yet do I fear thy nature; It is too full o' the milk of human kindness To catch the nearest way: thou wouldst be great; Art not without ambition, but without The illness should attend it."

Well i consulted my tea leaves and the entrails of a dead possum (natural causes) and they said 75% chance casey but a healthy 25% chance mfc If i get a chance tomorrow i'll consult the accurate one, the melbourne aquarium octopus

Well that was a joke, trade young players to get more young players well that makes sence

Robin was the ultimate Sad Clown but a comic genius as well. His entire Aladdin character was an ad lib that the scrip was then written around! Mr. Keating & Vietnam are always close to me. RIP Mr Williams. Your late night chat show spots will be sorely missed. A shooting star has gone out.

now that would be a bit of a stretch

Revised Essendrug 2015 fixture R1 V GWS (A) 4:40 pm Sunday, April 5th, Spotless Stadium R2 V GCS (H) 4:40 pm, April 12, Betty Ford Stadium, Connecticut USA R3 V WCE (A) 7:40 pm. April 17th, Patersons Stadium (yes, a Friday game but a short turnaround and a long flight) R4 Anzac Day - BYE etc etc etc

What is he suggesting, lying or witholding evidence?

I think he got the joke and was making one

i personally wouldn't be surprised if we end up having to use our second round pick on him. still think he'll be worth it.

Yeah, I think that it was partly Jesse's idea to do things this way, he is giving himself every chance to come in on top of his game and show everyone why there is so much Hype I was told Jesse has some fairly old family members who wouldn't have been able to make the trip so debuting in Perth means they can make it along which I think is pretty special, great of the club to facilitate things this way for Jesse

A good question. I suspect that they might have been tempted to do exactly this but the 'it's a business' line is ultimately more compelling than defeating the AFL's slap over the wrists on governance. They've had to attack the whole investigation in the hope of 'saving' the players (not that they give a stuff about the players per se, so let's just call them EFC's investment) because the 'business' will be down the tubes, at least for several years, if players are rubbed out for significant periods of time (the idiocy of not negotiating on the 6 months deal will be their Banquo's ghost to keep up the literary references). What's bizarre is that they're now using the hearing about ASADA to find whatever mud they can to throw at the AFL ... or perhaps not so bizarre given the absence of anything of substance on the real issue. This Warner person, btw, sounds like the father of a kid who captained a team we used to have to play. The old man umpired every game. His son could only ever get out if bowled or caught with the other umpire at the stumps and invariably ended up with bowling figures of 8 or 9, sometimes 10 for 12. It worked well until about the under 14s, when things got serious. With Middleton in the white coat this particular game might just be a bit more serious than Warner is likely to comprehend.

Kirk started out as a negating player with on face value not a lot of tools at his disposal, nobody knew away from the inner sanctum of Sydney the leadership qualities he had, Bolton was always a hard at it fanatical ball winner but hardly an out an out Superstar. And Ryan O'Keefe what was he 25/26 before he started to show a lot more than potential with an appetite for hard work. Role players Kirk, Bolton & O'Keefe they all were playing second fiddle to the likes of Schwass, Kelly, Williams,Maxfield & Hall. As they moved on the others progressed from role players to key players and Richards, Malceski, Mcveigh, Jack, Mcglynn, Hanneberry were new role players who have no progressed to Key players with Rampe, Smith, Cunningham etc now role players who will more than likely continue to evolve . It's this continued cycle of continuation and passing on the culture that is the greatest legacy Roos left at Sydney. I agree we need to snag a potential superstar from somewhere (we had Clark but we all know what happened) but for me if Roos can leave us with a legacy of culture like he left at Sydney we will be well on our way to a sustained period of finals contention and possibly more

No, but it hasn't hurt Aish or Dunstan. It's part of an overall picture.

A few on here get frustrated when I talk about 'role players' but Roos is proving me right this year with the specific roles he has given Pedersen and Jetta. If you can stick to your task and be that little cog in the machine you can be very useful once all the other little cogs are doing theirs. But you need a motor to get everything going and moving quick and our 'engine room' just doesn't have the capacity or quality that other teams have (just to bring that back to a common footy metaphor).

It's says something about our usual footy journos that it takes a newcomer to write a sensible article. I'm getting sick of journos, including that bloke on ABC radio national who seem to think that any deficiencies on the part of ASADA or the AFL are somehow excuses for Essendon's outrageous behaviour.

Save this threat - should Nev's form drop off next year these posts will make interesting reading.

The media exists to sell it's product and nothing more. The ruling will be based on all evidence, not on sound bites some journo uses to catch your attention. What will be will be, but it won't be based on Slobbo type thoughts

I have the North Game on tape. The Swans game is a blur. It was surreal. I remember my dad nearly got into a big punch on as he was giving directions to the Swans supporters how to get to Tullamarine during the first half!!

What about the little fella Caleb Daniel (#1 from SA). Every time i see him on a highlight reel, i like him more and more. A lot of people say he's too small and that's the reason why he'll be a late or rookie pick at best. I think that type of thinking is complete bs. Prestia seems to be doing pretty well for a little bloke too. For anyone that will say Prestia's physicality allows him to do well, i'm gonna counter with Daniel's pace allowing to become an effective AFL player. Plus, and the biggest plus, the kids got heart. Give me that over Jack Watts' attitude any day of the week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_v6hB90Noo#t=376 his highlights vid is more impressive than Stretches, imo.

I have two" Pristine" Broadcom video copies of the Dees vs North and Dees Vs Swans semi finals from that period!~ I have dubbed them onto DVD Format using ah "Old Technology" I also have the last half as televised by Channel 2 ABC 'The Winners" of our last game vs Footscray of the same period 1987! Golden Golden Stuff!

anybody else had the thought that Bennell, who was recruited in the same draft one round earlier, and from the same club and has had a somewhat similar role/career, might be coming good for us now had we not delisted him? Has played 16 games for the Eagles this year. Theh again if we had them both they's pretty much be in competition for that back pocket spot. That's not me having a go at the club BTW, at the time his delisting was a reasonable decision - but perhaps the pair of them are a lesson in patience and faith? edit: just checked an eagles forum (feel filthy) and they have him at 6th place for their player of the year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-2ShmK9i4pM First footage of billy stretch is up and must say I am impressed. Will add a lot of run and carry and speed down the outside which is something we lack. Needs to bulk up but the club will look after that If we Nab him 3rd round it will be a steal!

My wife picked out Nev as her favourite Dees player about 2 or 3 years ago, and I always thought what an odd player to pick as your favourite, meanwhile Colin Sylvia was mine. Hmmm

I have told this story before. I went to the first Casey game of the year at windy hill. That day he was IMO the best on the ground and actually kicked the winning goal. I said at the time he was the only MFC player that day that screamed "Pick Me" I walked in behind his partner and his little daughter who was all dressed up in Dees gear with dads number on the back. She had a great day cheering him on. I was near them when Dad kicked the winning goal very late in the time on period of the last quarter. The look on her face was one I will never forget. I can only imagine how proud that little face must be now.

Matt Damon http://youtu.be/BUa5oHgYV2k

westrup to debut

My view...fwiw We are simply after good players. If we have to pay market value then so be it. We actually accomplish what we need to do , get decent players. Many want to slide ol' Billy through on the cheap but if full whack then so be it. We still better our list, isn't that what it's about.