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Been watching a few clips lately like most and came across this the other day. Remembering the good bits. Round 2, 2004.

I'm still undecided but while there are over half a million cases in the USA with over one thousand deaths every day it's way too early to think about something as peripheral as a contrived football season. Let's have a look in a month and then think about it. To have games when it is illegal for two children to kick a ball in the park is not the right message. Like many I cannot help but think that the willingness of sports to restart is motivated by money rater than any altrustic desire to provide entertainment in these difficult times.

Despite the Covid-19 situation and its attendant angst, I find myself feeling less stressed than how I would normally be when following the mighty Demons each week. That could be a reflection on myself, the team, or possibly both. I"m probably very much in the minority on this forum, but I wouldn't mind terribly if there's no footy this year.

Glenn was a gun of a player, if he had of been on the ground weekly he would be considered a legend of the club

2006 we lost twice to Carlton who only won 3 games for the season. Win those two and we finish top 4 and dont have to travel to Perth for the semi final.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-feels-afl-still-some-time-off-resuming-20200412-p54j5u.html Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has quashed any talk of the AFL following the lead of the NRL and restarting its competition any time soon. Andrews announced on Sunday the state of emergency in Victoria will be extended until at least May 11, meaning strict enforcement of social distancing and isolation measures remain in place to slow the spread of coronavirus.

Johnno had a very good 2nd half. One of only two players to join the no-merger movement in 96 and easily lands in my all time fav Demons. All class.

It's nice to see so many things differently to today. Umpire calling ball-up as soon as the ball is locked in, not waiting 10-15 seconds to see if it breaks free of the scrum. Umpires not afraid to pay free kicks to keep the game moving. Alternatively umpires also not afraid to let it go to keep the game moving. And of course, not being able to hear the umps! I reckon one of the first times I heard the umps micd up was the 1989 Panasonic Cup Final vs Geelong. It offered minimal insight then and not much has changed 30 years on.

Agree... That of course was the year Collingwood broke their premiership drought. There was no outstanding team and it was ours for the taking.

1998 we really struggled through the middle of the season. Had heaps of injuries and then when the senior men came back in we strung a few together towards seasons end and the final game of the season we were comfortably in the 8 but a chance for 4th if we could beat the Tigers, who were playing for a spot in the finals. We smoked them, the Bombers got 8th, the Tigers finished in their then usual spot of 9th and we ended up 4th. Unfortunately under that finals system it didn't carry the same advantages as the present system. We were stiff in 98 - we were the only team to beat the eventual Premiers in that finals series. 1990 was our year and really the one we let slip. We won 16 games - a very high number to finish only 4th (in the final year of the old final five) and but for a terrible hiding we got against North Melbourne we would have been outright second. We beat Essendon (top) twice; we beat the Eagles in Perth; we beat Hawthorn in successive weeks including the Elimination Final, to end their run of successive GF's (1983-1989, then back in 1991) and we had ended Collingwood's finals series in 1988 and 1989. We really were probably the best side in the comp in 1990 but a shocking performance in the semi final against the Eagles, after the enforced week off because of the Collingwood/Eagles draw and an injury during training to our 1990 Band F G.Lyon, ended any hopes of the breakthrough. Northey was a great coach but I reckon he'd think 1990 was really the one that got away. Of our 5 consecutive years of finals under him, I think we maxed ourselves out in all of them but 1990.

i'm tending to thinking the same. any games this year will seem unnatural, unsatisfactory and uninteresting, and more to do with money than football. i'd rather watch classic replays.

This is a misrepresentation of the truth I think, remember he chose Carlton of all places. So if " tanking" ( and lets not forget at the time it was accepted and industry wide) was his big issue then of all clubs Carlton would have been his least preferred. Brock was rejected for the captaincy, had lost pace and wasnt being offered the size of the contract he wanted.

Gotta be The Wiz, but Glenn Lovett was another very talented player who was cruelled by injuries.

I used to think that but the Bailey/Neeld years broke me. Now I leave whenever I feel like it. Funny thing, when I was a kid at the footy with my dad and uncle they'd always want to leave at the 20 minute mark of the last quarter to beat the traffic, even when we were winning! I couldn't comprehend it as a kid and it still doesn't make sense to me now

If anyone had doubts about Johnson being one of our best since 1987, just watch this game.

Handy first quarter by one of my favourites - No 9 A. Johnson

I think we may have lost Neitz on the morning of that final against Essendon too- he plays, we’d probably win. With that’s said we were a step below Saints, Lions and Power that year. Geelong we’re running hot in the right time of the year too. 04, 05 and 06 were pretty similar stories; each year we faded badly in the final rounds and limped into the finals.

2004 and 2006 a complete waste, always faded against the better teams, eg W.C, Crows, Syd.

Funny how we remember things differently. My recollection of 'Dirty' Williams is that he was a clever player who used the ball well, but never got a lot of it in the first place - more of an opportunist, I suppose, than a stats accumulator.

Yeah we were 2nd or 3rd after round 16 1988 after smashing the Pies off the G and then lost 5 in a row. Had to beat Carlton in round 22 to sneak into the 5, had we lost the Bombers would've played finals. We lost to some average teams in 88 too, Saints at Moorabbin (wooden spooners), Richmond late in the season, Bulldogs and Swans at the G. I reckon we did the same thing throughout the Northey years too, there was always a run of games mid-late season that cost us a double chance. Actually a similar thing happened in 94 too under Balme, can't remember about 98.

88 was similar if I recall in that we won the first 8 plus and then cratered but we recovered to sneak into the six? and then we all know what happened from there I was in Europe for the first six odd weeks of the season and was amazed when in the Qantas lounge in Singapore on the way home to read of our success. Definitely no internet cafes in those days

When Glenn played well, more often we won. Well thats my memory ! his efforts not respected enough IMO

I smoked a full pack in that last Quarter

Yeah ok cool....Ill have New Zealand. Yeah every time i bet in Hong Kong the 129/1 shot beats the 1.70 by 2 lengths.....but ill pay a bit more attention to the form today.

Those 2 often boot home 5 or 6 winners on any given raceday and if you had advanced knowledge of which ones were going to win then you'd win enough money to buy an island in the Pacific. Which would be more than handy right now! Favourites get beaten more often than not though Wadda so it's buyer beware. I prefer the 2 leg multi with the shorties ... smaller outlay but to win more. Or just do an exacta (some prefer the quinella or trifecta)

I suspect that the resolution for the NRL will be the CEO losing his job. It is clear that he has alienated Government and his media backers. Hard to see him continuing in his job. This is one time when sports need to follow rather than lead.

Thanks Macca. Ive had a bit of a look in the past and i noticed Jose & Zac saluted in a fair few of the races. It seems a good strategy to follow and your putting approach is sound. Im at home today, surprise surprise, so ill have a bit of a look. Good luck!

The NRL have shown themselves to be an absolute disgrace in their push to start early. Let's hope the AFL don't keep pushing down this line. There should be no favours given to elite sport. FOX are desperate to get sport back on and Rupert more often than not gets what he wants. Let's hope the government stand their ground and our sporting leaders don't out themselves above the rest.

How well has the game evolved in 32years??? Watching the game the ball movement when executed correctly when u consider the wet conditions moved quickly. Coaches box only had the coach & a couple of assistants vs 15 now, are they over complicating it now ???

Strawbs had a fantastic 88, I've been rewatching a lot of games from that year and he was one of our best. In fact after round 22 when he got reported, Scotty Palmer told Morphett or Landy (can't remember which) that Melbourne insiders thought he was our best chance for the Brownlow that year.

I follow Purton & Moreira because those 2 premier jockeys are often on the best 2 horses in any given race of the 10 or 11 race card ... but not always. So I first of all evaluate which of their mounts can win and then do a series of 2/5 exacta's. Or if the odds are too short I default to the 2Pick multi. And there's usually 1 or 2 horses in any given race (not ridden by Purton & Moreira) that also can win. So you've got to do your form Wadda But 2 horses that should win tomorrow are R4 No.2 Good View Clarico (Purton) & R6 No.5 Colonel (Purton) Both are even money (or maybe 6-4) so the 2Pick multi works better ... 5-1 combined odds with a boost. Odds not up until lunchtime tomorrow so both could easily tighten in the market. I get the odds and tips from the following web sites Hong Kong Form Hong Kong Odds Hong Kong Tips

Tuned in at a good time. It seems players did everything better back then. Picking the ball up cleanly in greasy conditions, none of this fumble fest we see these days. Players using both feet really well. A much better spectacle than today.

Brock McLean . Another lost chance to develop a player into a champion. Colin Sylvia the same. We drafted well but couldn't improve them. Cam Bruce and Brad Green were no better at the end of their respective careers at the dees than when they started in 2000. Let's hope Tracc, Gus and Clarrie get a chance to become the champions they should be.

Kent and Salem

The Melbourne Football Club has a rich history in the ranks of the VFL/AFL so while this season has been disrupted by the pandemic, we decided to delve back into our past to bring you the players and the numbers they wore on the backs of their jumpers (qualification - 1 game for the club’s senior team) starting this week from 1 to 10: Number 1 1912 William Allan (No. 9, 1913; No. 19, 1914) 1913 Douglas Chapman 1914 Des McDonald/Carlyle Kenley (No. 22, 1913) 1915 Johnny Hassett (No. 34, 1913) 1919 – 1923 William Allan (see 1912 above) 1924 – 1931 Stan Wittman 1932 Leo Nolan 1933 Noel Barnett 1934 Col Niven (No. 10, 1933; No. 2, 1935) 1935 – 1940 Gordon Jones 1941 Stan 'Pop' Heal 1942 Keith 'Bluey' Truscott (No. 5, 1937 – 1940) 1943 Keith Shadbolt/Don Hooper (No. 18, 1932 – 1935) 1944 Ron Kimberley (No. 21, 1939 – 1941)/Jack Compton 1946 – 1947 Ern Rowarth (No. 33, 1945) 1948 James Mitchell (No. 37, 1946 – 1947) 1948 – 1956 Denis Cordner (No. 17, 1943) 1957 – 1959 Dick Fenton-Smith 1961 Bruce Leslie 1963 Garry Byers (No. 50, 1962) 1964 – 1967 Robert Foster 1968 – 1972 Max Walker (No. 46, 1967) 1974 – 1981 Garry Baker 1984 – 1985 Steven Smith (No. 35, 1974 – 1983) 1988 – 1991 Steven O’Dwyer (No. 32, 1987) 1993 – 1994 Adrian Campbell 1995 – 1997 Sean Charles (No. 44, 1992 – 1993; No. 18, 1994) 1998 – 1999 Jamie Shanahan 2003 – 2005 Chris Heffernan 2006 – 2009 Simon Buckley 2010 - 2011 Matthew Warnock (No. 37, 2006-2009) 2015 - 2018 Jesse Hogan 2019 - Steven May Number 2 1912 Harry Brereton (No. 7, 1915) 1913 Algernon Millhouse 1914 William Quinn 1915 Percy Rodriguez 1919 – 1920 Eric Tonkin 1921 – 1924 Joe Flanagan 1925 Clarrie Wyatt 1928 PB ‘Barney’ Wood 1929 – 1934 Wyn Murray 1934 Joe Kinnear (No. 17, 1932; No. 15, 1933; No. 36, 1935; No. 6, 1936 – 1937 1935 Colin Niven (No. 10, 1933; No. 1, 1934) 1936 – 1939 Lou Reiffel 1939 – 1940, 1942 – 1946 Roy Dowsing 1947 David Newman 1948 – 1955 Robert McKenzie Snr 1958 – 1963 Alan Rowarth 1966 – 1967 Robert Stewart 1968 Robert Dowsing (No. 38, 1966 – 1967) 1969 – 1970 Denis Clark (No. 38, 1968; No. 17, 1971 – 1975) 1971 – 1972 Robert D. McKenzie (No. 50, 1969; No. 10, 1970) 1973 – 1987 Robert Flower 1992 – 1999 Stephen Tingay (No. 52, 1989; No. 15, 1990 – 1991) 2002 – 2005 Steven Armstrong 2006 – Nathan Jones Number 3 1912 Alf George (No. 14, 1913; No. 29, 1915) 1913 Jack D. Robertson (No. 10, 1912) 1914 Jack Huntington (No. 28, 1915; No. 19, 1919 – 1920) 1915 Jack McKenzie 1919 Percy Love 1920 Leo Little (No. 31, 1919) 1921 – 1929 EH 'Ted' Thomas (No. 12, 1932) 1930 – 1934 George Margitich 1935 Ken Feltscheer (No. 22, 1936) 1936 – 1938 John Lewis 1939 – 1941 William Baxter 1942 Robert Spargo 1943 Keith Molloy (No. 27, 1945) 1943 – 1947 Ron Irwin 1948 – 1952 Geoff Collins (No. 8, 1954) 1953 – 1958 Peter Marquis 1964, 1966 Maurie Bartlett 1966, 1968 Sid Catlin 1969 – 1973 Trevor Rollinson 1976 – 1978 Barry Tippett 1979 – 1980 Henry Coles (No. 13, 1975 – 1978) 1982 – 1985 Gerard Healy (No. 39, 1979 – 1981) 1986 – 1999 Garry Lyon 2002 – 2007 Clint Bizzell 2008 - 2012 Clint Bartram 2014 - Christian Salem Number 4 1912 Jim Fitzpatrick (No. 12, 1913) 1913 William McKenzie (No. 6, 1912; No. 27, 1914; No. 18, 1915) 1914 Percy Colee 1915 Tim Collins (No. 24, 1914) 1919 William McKenzie (see above) 1920 Alec Farrow (No. 25, 1919; No. 28, 1921) 1921 Francis Lyon 1922 Alf Oldham 1923 – 1924 Tom Elliott 1926 – 1932 Jim Abernethy (No. 14, 1923 – 1924) 1933 – 1934 Jack Sambell 1935 – 1948 Norman Smith 1949 Robert Chadwick 1950 Jack Hiscock 1951 – 1955 Ken Christie 1957 – 1965 John Lord 1966 – 1967 Peter Smith 1968 – 1979 Tony Sullivan (No. 43, 1967) 1980 – 1987 Peter Giles (No. 45, 1979) 1988 – 1991 Tony Campbell (No. 40, 1986 – 1987) 1992, 1994 Chris Sullivan 1995 – 1997 Andrew Obst (No. 29, 1990 – 1994) 1998 – 2001 Brent Grgic (No. 48, 1997) 2002 - 2003 Craig Ellis 2004 – 2008 Ben Holland 2009 - 2017 Jack Watts 2018 - James Harmes Number 5 1912 William Hendrie (No. 11, 1913; No. 15, 1914; No. 12, 1915) 1913 Bobby Monk (No. 9, 1912; No. 16, 1914) 1914 Wal Riddington 1919 RJ 'Bob' Love 1920 – 1924 Harry Harker 1925 Gerry Donnelly 1926 WO 'Ossie' Green (No. 22, 1929; ?, 1931) 1927 – 1929 E 'Tommy' McConville 1930 – 1932 HA 'Hec' Davidson 1932 – 1936 William Deague 1937 – 1940 Keith 'Bluey' Truscott (No. 1, 1942) 1941 Ron White 1942 Tom Bush (No. 17, 1944) 1943 Ron White 1943 – 1950 William 'Billy' Deans (?, 1942) 1951 – 1960 Ian McLean 1962 – 1966 Neil Crompton (No. 12, 1957 – 1960) 1967, 1969 Chris Aitken (No. 14, 1977) 1971 – 1972 John Gallus 1973 – 1974 John Clennett (No. 34, 1972) 1975 – 1977 Des Campbell (No. 18, 1970) 1978 – 1980 Graham Hunnibell 1981 – 1982 Michael Young 1984 Ray Holden 1985 – 1987 Robin White 1988 – 1991 Earl Spalding (No. 35, 1987) 1992 – 2002 David Schwarz 2004 – 2009 Brock McLean 2010 - 2012 Jordan Gysberts 2013 - 2015 Jimmy Toumpas 2016 - Christian Petracca Number 6 1912 William McKenzie (No. 4, 1913, 1919; No. 27, 1914; No. 18, 1915) 1913 Charlie H. Lilley (No. 11, 1914; No. 8, 1919 – 1925) 1914 Rupert Lowell 1915 Charlie H. Lilley (see above) 1919 – 1922 E ‘Herb’ Matthews 1923 LC ‘Bob’ Abernethy 1924 WJ ‘Johnny’ Egan 1925 Edward Parker 1926 – 1927 Jim Veal 1928 Allan Hope 1929 – 1932 Ted Esposito 1932 – 1935 Archie Roberts (No. 27, 1936) 1936 – 1937 Joe Kinnear (No. 17, 1932; No. 15, 1933; No. 2, 1934; No. 36, 1935) 1936 Jack Harrison (?, 1933) 1939 Ian Giles 1940, 1942 – 1947 Fred Fanning 1948 – 1950 Eddie Craddock (No. 9, 1947) 1951 Kevin Webb 1952 – 1954 Ken Albiston 1955 – 1964 Frank ‘Bluey’ Adams (No. 41, 1953 – 1954) 1965 – 1973 Frank Davis (No. 40, 1964) 1974 – 1978 Ross Brewer (No. 27, 1972 – 1973) 1979 Ken Roberts (No. 10, 1978) 1979 – 1981 Robert Elliott 1982 – 1986 Michael O’Sullivan 1989 – 1999 Glenn Lovett (No. 51, 1987) 2001 - 2004 Scott Thompson 2006 - 2012 Matthew Bate 2013 - 2016 Chris Dawes 2017 - 2019 Jordan Lewis Number 7 1912 WD ‘Bill’ Hickey 1913 Norm McDougall 1914 Jack A ‘Dodger’ Evans (No. 29, 1912; No. 8, 1913, 1915; No. 28, 1919) 1915 Harry Brereton (No. 2, 1912) 1919 Reg Gibb (No. 19, 1915) 1919 William Hore 1920 – 1924 Mick Anthony 1925 – 1927 Frank Jorgensen 1928 – 1930 Vince Driver 1931 – 1933 H ‘Bert’ Avery 1934 – 1936 AE ‘Bert’ Taylor 1937 – 1940 Hugh Murnane 1942 Jack Heal 1943 Robert Stone (No. 32, 1942; No. 36, 1949) 1944 – 1946 Clem Conroy 1947 – 1952 Eddie Jackson 1953 – 1962 Geoff Case 1963 – 1964 Owen Zinko 1966 – 1975 Graham Osborne (No. 24, 1976 – 1977) 1976 Ray Smith (No. 43, 1975) 1977 – 1979 Barry Denny 1980 – 1981 Phil Pinnell 1982 – 1990 Brian Wilson 1991 Rod Owen 1992 – 1999 Darren Kowal 2000 - 2002 Stephen Powell 2003 Gary Moorcroft 2004 - 2010 Brad Miller (No. 37, 2002 – 2003) 2011 - 2012 Jamie Bennell (No. 43, 2009 - 2010) 2013 - Jack Viney Number 8 1912 Fred Harris (No. 29, 1912; No. 7, 1914; No. 28, 1919) 1913 Jack A ‘Dodger’ Evans 1914 A ‘Bert’ Trahair 1915 Jack A ‘Dodger’ Evans (see 1913 above) 1919 – 1925 Charlie H. Lilley (No. 6, 1913, 1915; No. 11, 1914) 1926 – 1929 Herbie J. White 1931 – 1932 W ‘Bull’ Adams 1933 – 1941 Rowley Fischer 1942 – 1943 Don Hewson (?, 1944) 1945 Ralph Latham 1946 – 1947 Roy Stabb (No. 22, 1945) 1948 – 1951 Doug Heywood (No. 25,1943; No. 26, 1944) 1952 Ian Toyne 1952 Maurie Lehmann 1953 Don Cameron 1954 Geoff Collins (No. 3, 1948 – 1952) 1955 Kevin Clark 1956 – 1957 Jim Sandral 1959 – 1969 R ‘Tassie’ Johnson 1970 – 1975 Peter ‘Crackers’ Keenan (No. 10, 1981 – 1982) 1976 – 1978 Peter Johnston 1979 Glenn Elliott 1980 – 1982 Brent Crosswell 1983 Les Bamblett 1984 Peter Thorne (No. 40, 1978 – 1979) 1985 – 1995 Graeme Yeats (No. 45, 1984) 1996 Craig Turley 1999 Jeff Farmer 2000 James Cook 2001 – 2006 Alistair Nicholson (No. 44, 1997 – 2000) 2007 – 2014 James Frawley 2015 - 2016 Heritier Lumumba 2018 - Jake Lever Number 9 1912 Bobby Monk (No. 5, 1913; No. 16, 1914) 1913 William ‘Bill’ Allan (No. 1, 1912, 1919 – 1923; No. 19, 1914) 1914 Harry Britter 1915 William ‘Bill’ Allan (see 1913 above) 1919 John McMahon 1920 – 1928 Charles ‘Brum’ Streeter 1930 – 1931 Howard Steel (No. 30, 1932) 1932 HA ‘Arch’ Dickens 1933 – 1936 Charlie Longhurst 1937 – 1943 Richard Emselle 1944 – 1946 Ivan Porter 1947 Eddie Craddock (No. 6, 1948 – 1950) 1948 Les Crawley 1949 Colin Cox (No. 26, 1948) 1949 Ray Harvey 1950 Con O’Toole 1951 Alan Daly 1952 – 1953 Max Orr 1953 Peter Schofield 1954 – 1968 Brian Dixon 1969 – 1972 George Lakes (No. 39, 1968) 1972 Peter Yeo 1973 – 1974 Steve Kerley (No. 49, 1971; No. 41, 1972) 1975 – 1981 Laurie Fowler 1982 – 1990 Alan Johnson 1992 – 1993 Darren Cuthbertson (No. 48, 1991) 1994 - 2008 David Neitz (No. 38, 1993) 2010 - 2017 Jack Trengove 2018 - Charlie Spargo Number 10 1912 Jack D. Robertson (No. 3, 1913) 1913 J Watt 1914 Bill Daly (No. 18, 1913) 1915 J Watt (see above, 1913) 1919 Gordon Coulter 1920 – 1921 Jack Brake (see also 1915) 1923 – 1931 Jack Collins 1932 Geoff McInnes (No. 17, 1933) 1933 Colin Niven (No. 1, 1934; No. 2, 1935) 1934 – 1936 Jack Bennett (No. 34, 1933) 1937 Fred Backway (No. 21, 1935) 1937 – 1943 Maurie Gibb (No. 14, 1934 – 1937) 1938 (also) Len Catton 1944 – 1945 Gordon Kramer (No. 26, 1942) 1946 – 1954 Lance Arnold 1957 – 1961 Robert S. Turner 1962 – 1967, 1969 Ken Emselle 1970 Robert B. McKenzie (No. 50, 1969; No. 2, 1971 – 1972) 1971 – 1972 Lloyd Burgmann (No. 40, 1970) 1973 – 1975 Carl Ditterich 1976 – 1978 Craig McKellar 1978 Ken Roberts (No. 6, 1979) 1979 – 1980 Carl Ditterich (see also 1973 – 1975) 1981 – 1982 Peter ‘Crackers’ Keenan (No. 8, 1970 – 1975) 1983 Peter Moore (No. 30, 1984 – 1987) 1984 – 1990 Danny Hughes 1992 Matthew Mahoney (No. 46, 1990) 1994 Martin Pike (No. 22, 1993) 1995 – 2000 Marcus Seecamp 2001 - 2007 Daniel Ward (No. 49, 1998 – 1999; No. 26, 1999 – 2000) 2008 - 2012 Cale Morton 2013 - 2014 Shannon Byrnes 2015 - Angus Brayshaw

Did we win that one?

Haven't seen anything in papers or on news that they have.

Some Dees tidbits in there.

The commentators mentioned that Jimmy had changed out of his no. 11. Not sure why, maybe it got ripped or something. Can't understand why the Eagles weren't in white shorts that day. It's also glaring how the 'deliberate out of bounds' rule wasn't enforced very often in those days.

I think it was in the first game the following season that he busted his foot and lost any pace he ever had. ? EDIT: Brock McLean that is, not Hogan2014's unfortunate son.

He was at AFL level. He was very talented at country level as I said.

Wasn't he part of some deal involving Gasper? I vaguely recall some amusing connection.

semantics dd...... it's obvious they mean 1200 have tested +ve as of now with 480 active now. ....you're beating yourself up over nothing

Jack Watts?

I'm a Furphy fan, it's not a special beer but it goes back easy enough and doesn't break the bank. I'm happy they've got on board and the club should be congratulated for continuing to bring in support.

Mate, you should stop shouting down posters and offering absolutely sfa as a counterpoint. Let it go, it's tiresome

no doubt it's very complex dj, globalisation has its good side and its bad ugly side

Lol, that's funny mfm. I'll bet good 'ole vijay and his partners and executives (plus all the bureaucratic leeches), grab most of that customer moolah and their employees get the dregs at the bottom of the barrel anyway.........but when it suits him he uses his downtrodden employees as sympathy fodder.... but you believe what you want

Foolishly, I'll bite. If analysing the number of cases through time isn't an informative way to model a health crisis, can you suggest what might be? Call me crazy, but I'd suggest that the world's leading medical scientists might actually be somewhat clever, and have a better grasp of their models than random posters on a footy forum. Also, you're truly delusional if you think the economic impacts were in any way avoidable. Governments don't tank economies for fun.

The people who signed up in March and April are legends. Well done people. Every member is solid gold for the survival of the club. (appreciate that many are losing their jobs and can't afford to continue) Very proud of our supporters.