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Wandered passed for a coffee and quick look for about an hour this morning. Boys hit the track at warmed up at about 10-10:15. Absent: Trengove, Lumumba, Vanders, Bail, Frost, Kent, Fitzpatrick, Howe, Hunt Dawes came out late with a huge compression stocking on his right leg to above the knee. Did some work with a staff member on the next door oval. Jetta and Tyson trained fully from what I saw. I'd love to know where Frost is at. Missing from the injury report. No news is usually bad news. Petracca was doing plenty of sprint and take off work under the watchful eye of about 4 staff. Then jogged a lap and slotted through a torp on the run from the boundary about 40 out. Had a kick to kick with one of the staff members then kicked the ball up, had it knocked on, gather and kick a goal. Pedersen did most of the non contact parts of training, marking and kicking with only a moderate amount of taping on the wrist. I'd save if there was something left to play for he'd be ramping it up to play soon. Training as usual divided in to about 3 or 4 interchanging groups for the most part. None of Macca, Rawlings or Goodwin are backwards in giving some criticism. But I don't get a negative vibe. Rucks (Gawn, Jamar, Spencer, King) doing a lot of work with Stafford. So much of the focus there is on following up the tap. Macca presided over a drill where 4 players formed a square and kicked a footy around either 2 or 3 token defenders. Good crisp kicking for most part. Goodwin took a mainly midfield group and pretty much formed 2 lines 20m apart running up the corridor inside 50. He'd have Pedo lob a kick in and then call out either the blue or yellow team to handball the ball around under pretty strong tackling pressure before handballing or kicking a goal. Riley's tackling was fierce. JKH with a nice tackle as well. Someone fumbled and was then tackled hard and Ben Matthews was loudly encouraging with a statement along the lines of 'fumble kill'. The notion being to cause fumbles and capitalise on them and conversely to avoid fumbles. The last drill I saw involved set up the kick out zone and then attempting quick movement from a kick in. One series of play so a pinpoint kick out followed by a series of sharp handballs, a switch kick followed by another handball to Newton who hit up Jetta back in the corridor at CHF before the inside 50 kick. Goodwin was pumped and yelling to Rawlings "that's good ball movement". The take aways from the session was that: - Goodwin has a major role at trainings - We are training skills under pressure - The coaching staff notice the terrible things from the weekend - uncompetitive contested ball effort, lack of communication in set ups and are doing drills to improve them

- 51 seasons without a premiership - 2 grand final appearances in that time - 12 finals appearances in the last 51 seasons - a litany of off-field disasters including a failed merger that we (would like to think was thanks to vote-stacking) voted in favour of, the 'not tanking' tanking scandal - a host of failed draft picks who were meant to help us become a better side - top draft picks walking out of the club on a regular basis (thompson, scully) - past greats being struck with bizarre illnesses causing their deaths at a young age (i still blame jolimont oval) - past players and board members taking potshots at the club on a regular basis - no dedicated 'home base' because we gave ours away to first richmond and then every other club - a general sense of nothingness to the club - tried and true 30k supporters who have stuck fat through the litany of failures being told they're 'negative' on a regular basis damn right we are!

He's describing MFCSS - for those who are unaware - MFC Supporter Syndrome. "What can go wrong, will and it will actually be worse and if it looks like it is getting better, it's not, it's just an illusion to make our pain more pronounced." He's not wrong, but the problem is that after last week everyone thinks he is talking causation; our negativity caused us to lose, our 'vibes' got in the way. I don't believe he thinks that, and anyone who does can f___ off. He just loves waxing lyrical and found his way over to an argument best left for when we don't get outplayed by the worst team in the league.

Thank goodness Hardtack, for your note of civility amidst the howl of put downs. It is astonishing to see posters piling on to sink the boot in. Doesn't it strike you guys as classic bullying behaviour. As for his optimistic comments about McKenzie and Grimes, he reported what he believed he was seeing. I was also hopeful that 18 months of Roo's and his team may have produced an improvement in many of our players. Turns out it was mostly wishful thinking. But why lash Saty for expressing his thoughts. Some of the players told us the same things. Jamar told us it was the best he had felt after his first full pre-season in many years, - didn't really seem to make a difference. For many of us, Saty's training reports brightened up a long off season, I hope he returns. I have however given up hope that those who don't like him will simply ignore him, rather than pursue what seems like a relentless vendetta against him.

I don't think we should do what the media does and misrepresent the facts. Roos said that the club has a veil of negativity around it. Also that many supporters were negative in emails to him. He never blamed supporters for the performances. He agreed the last few weeks and especially sunday were terrible and unacceptable. He said the football department needed to fix these inconsistent performances and that they were trying to.

Roos slammed that conversation into reverse gear at 100 miles per hour. Talk about back peddling. He said it was the "whole club, everybody". Now it's supposedly just the fans. Sorry, Paul. I'm not buying it.

I still have no [censored] idea how any of this impacts the players abilities to compete.

It is ridiculous that Roosey, other club supporters and the media think there is a veil of negativity around our pathetic, doomed, fisted forever Demons.

But the negativity.... won't somebody please think of the negativity!

We'll see how negative we are in the last round on Father's Day... There'll be 5,000 people at etihad. We should all boycott the game and show we've had enough of this [censored] the players dish up week in week out. Can't believe Roos has gone down this path... Us supporters have been nothing but patient for 10 f###ing years. Is it not enough to ask that our players show up and put in effort ? I soppose Nathan Jones and co. drive to the game and think "[censored] our supporters are negative, I might not lay a tackle in the first 20 minutes of a game" f##k me. Without the 35k members there wouldn't be a football club... Roos needs to have a good hard look at himself for these comments, it's a disgrace. God help me that all I want is my football club to play 4 quarters week in week out and for YOU paul to do your job and get these players up week to week... Really disappointed in his comments, Ive sat through a lot of b####sh!t in the last 10 years... Sat through the freezing cold and wet to see us kick 2 goals to 12 in a half against Geelong last year, losing to GWS by 11 goals last year, being the only side to lose with 40 seconds left, sorry for been negative Paul.. We've been through a lot and you obviously don't reconigse that, you only want to reference to the past when it comes to defending yourself and reputation. Get your sh!t together and work out how to get this side playing week in week out with effort for %100 of the game... Not blaming us loyal supporters/members who go to the footy week in week out.. The club is lucky we have 35k members and have stuck fat through the years... Btw we contribute to your 1.5 mil a year and retirement fund in Hawaii so give us some respect.

I think the hurt is stemming from the fact that we have a coach and CEO (whom we all rate as professionals) failing at understanding the supporters. They've been here a year or two and will be gone in another year or two, we'll be around our entire lives, so for them to fail to understand the depth of our hurt and take a swipe at us for simply being negative is a pretty cheap shot IMO. If you still support this club you've got guts and you're probably entitled to be a little bit negative, but we're still here, we still buy memberships, we still show up (even when the team doesn't) and we'll still be around after these guys have left the club. Both Roos and PJ have made this a really clumsy statement, we know they want success, but they're meant to be uniting not dividing.

If the coach can why can't I ?

I dont think what he said was all that bad, just very honest

And still Roos hasn't explained how the supporters' negative mindset impacts our players' abilities to play football. None of us went into the Geelong game expecting us to win, and we did. Most of us thought we'd win on Sunday, and we didn't. Roos and Co are obviously back paddling hard now, because they've probably had internal backlash by being called negative. I get it, my work place sucks so hard and everyone here is negative. But I still do my job, and I don't blame my negativity if I miss something or forget to reply to an email etc... I'm sick of the cop outs. If it's not the past, it's the future, it's the age of the list, it's the negative mindspace. FFS none of this explains why our coach can't get the player to compete in a consistent manner. I can take losses, but not competing is unacceptable and there is no excuse for it.

I don't post often on here because of the pessimism around this place that has grown monumentally since 2012. Sure, there is just cause, but Roos and PJ have a fair point. Look at Footscray, as an example. - Have 1 premiership in 90 years in the VFL/AFL, and that was 61 years ago. - Only 2 appearances in a GF in that time - Club was all but killed off in 1989 - Last pre-season they lost their captain, sacked their coach and there CEO quit. Yet time and again they dust themselves and off and go again. Sure, they're still a work in progress but they never really give up week to week. Even when talent would dictate they can. They may not have a large supporter base, but they're supporters are loyal. I'm not saying we need to copy them, just take a leaf out of they're book to back the players that are here. Failure hurts, I know but there needs to be a change to the 'typical Melbourne' mindset if we are to succeed and that goes from the President down. That is what we are in the middle of and it's a culture shift which will take time and a bit of patience. We are only 2 years into fixing something that was breaking for 10 years+.

We have a defeatist attitude because the team we support is constantly defeated. What do you want, everyone to turn up to training in a hippy drum circle singing kum-ba-yah after yet another 10 goal plus defeat, another year of losing more than one in every three games? The supporters negativity doesn't drive the shithouse performances of so-called professional athletes, the horrible performances of the team drives thesupporters negativity. These guys want to be paid like professionals to play a game, then they can cop the scrutiny that comes with it. Act like a pro, deal with it and focus on improving your woeful performances. Otherwise next time it won't be negativity it will be downright apathy. Not that I think for one second any of them truly give a damn about that - maybe 2 or 3 but certainly not the vast majority. They'll just move on to another club for another paycheck. Look at how Freo dealt with Colin Sylvia. If we had the depth there would be a number of players we should be treating in the same manner. Unfortunately we struggle to cover injuries at all let alone being able to drop someone like Howe for being a lazy piece of [censored].

Roos needs to "harden up". I'm astonished he constantly references emails from supporters.

We spend years posting stuff like "I've had it with the club!", "this club doesn't deserve my money!", "this game was the tipping point! (after last week's tipping point in the other direction". We post stuff about club curses and hoodoos. We mail bomb the coach and the CEO. Then we act all indignant when the coach says we're negative. I truly think supporters of the club need to harden up a little and stop taking things so personally. The club isn't trying to hurt you, and Roos is not trying to blame you for it, he is just pointing out something which to me was patently obvious.

Put their hand up who thought Saty was making a come back when you read the thread title.. Good report btw.

All clubs supporters are the same. Collectively, they are a mob. Our supporters are a mob. Hawthorn's supporters are a mob. When the team wins, the mob is happy. When the team loses, the mob is unhappy. When the team is on a winning streak, the mob prophesy winning the next 10 premierships. When the team is on a losing streak, the mob want to sack the suits, trade all the players, and burn the joint down. (Not necessarily in that order.) When the team is in a dynasty of losing, like we are, the mob get very, very, very negative. Only one thing can stop the rot. Winning matches. And the mob can't do the winning. They can only tag along and react.

An interesting choice of example. Since our 2007 implosion Western Bulldogs have had only one season worse (on wins count) than Melbourne's very best season in that period. Right now they are right in the hunt for a top-4 finish. And we are getting consistently better attendance numbers than them, year by year. Got any more examples of how the Melbourne fans are 'negative'?

Regardless if your a Roos fan or not... He inherited the worst list in the afl & perhaps darkest time in club history The club was broken both financially & culture & players wanting to leave.... A complete rebuil has taken place under PJ & Bartlett To expect any coach to fix this in 2 seasons is pie in the sky stuff.... It took Thompson @ Geelong around 7-8 yrs Reality....

First point is that progress in the AFL is rarely linear. My prediction of very mild improvement for this year (2015), might be replaced by a prediction of rapid improvement for 2016. For the dumb SEN blokey football media and football supporters, that can't understand why we can beat Geelong, Collingwood, and Richmond; yet be pulvarised by the Saints, Bulldogs & Carlton, don't really have a deep understanding of football at all. Garry Lyon included. As I have said here for over 2 months, ignoring the best 2-3 teams in the competition, speed kills us. The bulldog massacre on the quick deck at Etihad just epitomised it. We want to think it is about effort and intensity, but you have to be able to get to an opponent to actually tackle them. Just think about our reliable, mature ball-winners. Jones aint fast. Tyson aint fast. Cross aint fast. Vince aint fast. Gawn as a ruck aint Stef Martin or Nick-Nat. Viney aint slow, but he has been wisely put into a defensive-first gig at this early stage in his career. On the fringes, Toumpas, Trengove etc... aint fast either. To be blunt, we have a serious deficiency of speed where it matters. To highlight a deficiency of effort over this is too easy, too lazy and really doesn't get to the crux of what our problems are. The other issue is the introversion. I understand why Roos can see the "veil of negativity" throughout the club. But I don't think this is entirely accurate. Any negativity is actually the product of introverts everywhere. Since I have posted on ology from the early 2000s, my mantra has been to the club and its supporters, that ego is not such a bad thing. An ego or a strut, with a little bit behind it, can actually lift many around you, and can blowtorch any "veil of negativity". Look at the story of a young Luke Hodge. With Hawthorn as cellar-dwellers, and Brisbane at or just off the peak of its powers, Jonathon Brown recalls a young Luke Hodge sledging the likes of Brown, Voss, Black and Lappin. The Melbourne Football Club, for whatever reason, has recruited/attracted/retained a plethora of introverts. We had no choice but to choose one as captain for goodness sakes. But not only have are we a collective of introverts, we have actually play like introverts. Go have a look at our run and carry and bouncing stats before this season, and you will find it at Tackers level on a wet boggy day. I applaud the club for getting Garlett and Lumumba as it addresses this in some small way. All the MFC needs is a bit of speed and a bit of strut. As Lethal says, things aren't as bad as you think. Roos and Co. can talk about culture, and defense first, and consistency. TGR will talk about speed and strut. The next captain needs to have self-belief. Since the Grimes/Trengove experiment, we have been scared of appointing youth. While I love how Roos has taken the microscope off the next young saviour of the MFC; the leadership needs to exude confidence. As for speed, why the hell is Billy Stretch in and out of the side? I realise games should be earned, but what is wrong with getting games into players that we urgently need. As for us supporters, we do need to realise where we have come from. The gold that we have let slip and the trash (recycled short-term players) we have bought in, especially in the Neeld era. For a rudderless on-field club to let two AFL captains go (Wines & Rockliff), and a multi-dimensional mobile tall in Martin can't be erased from thought. Us supporters think in a dichotomy of black and white. Either Roos is a messiah, or he is yesterday's man. Not too many of us think deep and grey. Lets not forget that Robert Walls called for the head of Paul Roos in June 2005. Three months later, he became a premiership coach; and this goes back to my non-linear argument in relation to progress. The other thing that us supporters do, is have a crack at journalists that critique the club and/or its coaching. The irony is that those that have had a critical point of view of the MFC for the last 15 years, have been closer to the mark, than those of us inside the club, and those that support the club. It is about time, we objectively take on the critique, than typically playing the man and having a go at Caro and Lloyd etc... I am sure you over-celebrated the Geelong/Collingwood wins; and I am sure you over-grieved the Carlton loss. Just suck it up, think deep and grey, and as Matthews says, all is not as bad as it seems. Purest TGR

Have no qualms or argument that the list is far from AFL competitive dieter. Nor was I stating that I expect instant results. I predicted 4 - 6 wins this season so hardly had high expectations. What I do expexct from a top line coach is to at the very least see a hard nosed, never say die competitive outfit run out and give it their all for100 minutes every match win lose or draw. The fact that they still dont after two pre seasons under Roos is a huge worry. You can cover some ugly traits like horrible turnovers and poor skills if the players are willing to die for the cause. But to do so they have to come out all guns blazing from the get go as a bare minimum. Persistence in football will sometimes get you over the line in some matches provided every player commits. This is more about the players attitude and commitment than their skills/talent. Members will accept skill v talent equation and that it takes time to improve the list/skills with drafts etc and takes You can have all the talent in the world but if you aren't going to fully commit you will more than likely be beaten by a more committed opponent, even if that opponent is the worst team in the competition, as Carlton were up until they met us on Sunday. The members don't run out onto the ground and kick the footy etc. To pot the members is just rediculous and smacks of a man who is unwilling or unable to see the forest for the trees. The No.1 bare minimum a coach should be able to extract from a team is a committed agressive one that never quits at any point in a match. We still have far too many players who are "deciding" when they wish to go or not. No other club would/does tolerate this for long even though it does go on (eg, Carlton against the Hawks a few weeks before us). This is about the players and the coach's ability to motivate them or assist them in motivating themselves. They are all getting paid handsomely and have no excuses. We certainly shouldn't be used to deflect. Roos & the players need to win when expected to win like Sunday and stop looking outside for reasons as to why they didn't.

How the [censored] would Thomas know any of that? Pipe down, Thomas. You were a failure as a coach and an ordinary footballer.

What [censored] me off was Roosy saying he 'lives' his job but people like lawyers & doctors etc who write him emails go to work 9-5 and can switch off when their day at work is done....... Are you that out of touch Roosy? You just named 2 of the most stressful professions out there & my lawyer father has been working mostly 7 days a week for 40 years!! Going to the footy is one of the few things we do to have a break from our daily grind (which often gives me sleepless nights too buddy) & all we've been served up as 20+ years of loyal membership is a half assed performance like the last 2 weeks & then for you to put it on us for being negative!! How bout giving me a [censored] reason to be positive?!? I've been one of Roosy's biggest fans around here, & maybe we are a bit of a negative bunch. But so are many tiger fans I know & I've never heard Dimma complain!!! Your paid $1m+ to coach footy mate, not save people's lives like doctors do. Most jobs engulf people's lives, that's why footy often means so much to people, it's there chance to forget their stress (unless they follow the mfc).

I have received a response from the MFC membership division, I have redacted personal details. Good afternoon xxxxxxxxxManDee, Thank you for your email and xxx years of consecutive membership. I apologise for the tardy response as we have had a high volume of emails this week. This week due to the loss and the disappointment amongst our supporters I have passed emails on to Paul Roos and the footy department. As he has publicised, he has received a lot of emails and due to time constraints leading into an away game he cannot personally reply to each email but please be assured however that he has read it. As a member, supporter and six year employee of the Club, I understand your frustrations however I can assure you that Peter Jackson & Paul Roos have established and reinforced a great culture within the Club, one that places an emphasis on a positive environment, that doesn’t dwell on any possible setbacks or undesired outcomes, and seeks to stay on a clear path towards future success. We are all united at the Club both on and off the field, and we all share the same passion and vision, and I can assure you we are on the right path to achieving our goals. It breaks our hearts to hear that you have lost faith in the Club and that you are considering not renewing your membership. While in isolation the last couple of weeks have been disappointing & there is little I can say to defend the performances, it remains clear that when the boys play at their best, they are competitive with any team. Hopefully the boys are able to finish the season strong and restore your trust in the Club. Our members definitely deserve better than what they were given against Carlton & I'm sure the boys realise this ahead of their games against Freo this weekend. On behalf of absolutely everyone here at the Club, players and staff included, I would like to thank you for your support of the Club – we realise that it has been trying times of late but please stick in there as I can assure you that as a Club we are well and truly in going in the right direction. Kind Regards, xxxxxxx Now that is a good response, well done MFC.

I can't help but feel that when we come good, it's going to be a rapid, and lasting, conversion. My reasoning is as follows. We've had exceptional adverse events with premature deaths closely involved with the club......Broadbridge, Wight, Stynes, Bailey, Flower. Now Daiher's really crook. The Jurrah saga. Yes, it was a risk for us to put so much effort into him....Collingwood wisely let him go.I think the club suffered with all the problems he had, and our laudable attempts to assist him. The tanking issue. There are those that say we'd have been negligent NOT to have done what we did, especially after the Kreuzer Cup. It seemed that you could get away with it , since Carlton( obviously), and Coll.,Ess., and Hawthorn all did it without repercussions. But ,not us...oh no, we were reprehensible shameful wicked cheats who now are getting what we deserve for establishing a losing culture. Recruiting.yes...we haven't done it well. But I can't help thinking there's an element of luck in recruiting.We've made some monumental errors. But we don't seem to have picked up any ready made stars(like Cripps,Elliot,, Bontomtelli,etc). Almost all our first round picks get serious injuries in their first year.Many of our first round opportunities have been in drafts compromised by the expansion clubs. Lack of star players. Other weaker clubs have had many more stars than us( eg StKilda....Harvey, Riewoldt,Lockett etc, North with Carey, Harvey,etc. and not only are they stars , but they are able to play on for 250-400 games. Netiz was a star, and he's our ONLY player ever to play 300. Before that you have to go back to Flower with 271. (I guess Jimmy was a star,too.) I know we've been criticised for poor development of our talent, but you'd expect more from our potential stars( imagine what a difference there'd have been with 300 injury free games from Schwarz, Lyon, Tingay, jakovich and Charles.! Self-perpetuating AFL system where stronger clubs get better time slots for matches. The less success you have, the harder it is to attract sponsors. Most of the above reasons for our lack of success are reversible. Whether it's by better luck, or better management, I think things will turn for the better quickly when they start to turn. I'm tired of watching us lose, and not holding much hope of victory when I watch each week. But when we DO win, I get a hell of a lot of satisfaction. I'm confident that one day, soon, the wheel will turn. I'll certainly be sticking fat, hoping we'll come good in my lifetime( I've been saying that for 50 years!). One thing I'll never do is boo Melbourne players, or shake my fist at them, yelling obscenities, as they leave the field after a bad loss. No one gains anything from that. I'd like to see Melbourne play a more attacking brand of footy. I think that would create more of a perception of positivity, as well as help us win a few more games!

Howe to Giants for Tomlinson... straight swap

I really can't believe the apparent position being taken by some on here. SACK THE COACH NOW!!!!!!!! Another one? Simple fact is we are still bearing the pain of the legacy bestowed upon us by previous regimes. We are talent poor. Simple as that. Considering where we were before Roos took over, there has been some remarkable performances, although I agree it would certainly be nice to have more. We have a bunch of young stars, who at this time of the year are probably tired and sore. Certainly we lack a core group of real leaders and I suspect that when the tide turns against us, as it inevitably does with any football club, the collective mindset with our group becomes; Oh no, here we go again. Such an attitude then become like a contagion which affects the entire group. PR maybe good, but he does not possess divine powers. We have too wait.

If our feelings as supporters rubbed off on players, our players would have beaten goddamn North Melbourne by now, and flattened Brent Harvey in the process. How we feel and think as a supporter group should have nothing to do with player performance. We turn up every week and we cheer as loud as anyone when we win. We also express our displeasure when we lose, but compared to other supporters, we are mild. I don't see our supporters spitting and giving our players the fingers when they lose. We also rarely boo the team, and boy do they deserve to be booed from time to time for their disgusting lack of effort. I wonder how our players would feel if they played for Richmond or Collingwood and were on the type of losing streak we've been on. They wouldn't be able to walk down the street without being "veiled by negativity". I find the whole idea completely dumb, and I think Roos has run out of excuses, so he's using supporter mindset. He knows he can't blame the past anymore and that ultimately he is responsible. He is responsible for lifting moral and changing the negative mindset within the club. Then watch our quickly supporters change from negative to positive!

Roos screwed up on Monday night - he lost his nerve under some tricky questions, he's only human. The fact is the numbers don't lie......we are progressing, and the trend is up - but for some poor goal kicking, and a brain fade in the Saints game, we would be 8 wins, and pushing for 9 for the year. The players have failed the club the last 2 weeks, and undone a lot of good work done during the season - that's where the focus should be. Jackson, Roos and co need to hold their nerve, and keep focussed on the process as Roos said on Monday - unfortunately he has given the media a chance to kick him and the club again, and with the Hird story now dead, they are only too happy to oblige.

The amazing thing is Hawthorn can only manage around 28,000 people to a Friday night game against Port, I'd hate to see their fans when things are bad. We've been bloody resilient for a fan base that have been through so much and have a fraction of the supporters and members that a team like Hawthorn has.

Come on, people, positive thoughts! Melbourne will beat Freo by 200 points on the weekend. Jesse Hogan to kick 20 goals, before being chaired off the ground by surprise guests Allen Jakovich and Liam Jurrah.

Seriously, if we had been as successful as Hawthorn for the last 50 years would we be negative? No Roosy the negativity comes from the club, you gave it to us. If you want us to be positive it starts with you.

Turn it up. I've never voted a board in or out. I probably had faith in Gary Lyon (despite it obviously being misplaced) because I was 'supportive' of the club and I applauded footy in the 2000s, because I was a supporter and we were winning. So you're saying it's our fault for not supporting them, but at the same time, you're also condemning us for supporting them as well? Nice logic. And well done for painting us all with the same brush. I'm not being paid to play for the MFC or to coach them, but I do pay my membership every year and pay entrance to bloody Etihad, Skilled Stadium and any other hell hole we end up playing in. The fans deserve a little bit of respect for sticking by this club. Take a look around the league. Half of Carlton and Essendon's members have jumped off in two lean years. We've had 8 or 9 of them. We're still here.

You have an accomplice DR Obviously it has been me since 1960 that has been me dragging down the Club. If only I had known in 1965 I was the reason. Could have switched to Hawthorn. Probably saved the MFC and had a much more enjoyable footy life for the last half a century. Perhaps we should all leave now and the club will have clear air in 2016 as their would be no one in the stands to worry the poor darlings.

Ah.... So it's our fault Not the players...not the coaches..not the club !! If thats the case I'll have the money too Ffs...what a cop out Melbourne. Thats me done til next year (maybe...if can be bothered ) Wouldn't want to bring the club down further. Fukkin clowns MFC

What happens when you die? Why do we allow millions to die from starvation and preventable disease every year? Is there a God? Is there justice in the world? Will humans ever stop fighting each other? Etc... Seriously!

Yeah, it was the fans who didn't run, tackle, hit the contest and continually turned the ball over. Bastards!

This muppett sticks the boots in whenever he gets the chance. You never hear any of our other past presidents put the boots in when were down, this [censored] does it every chance he gets, cant stand him. Newsflash Paul, you were a crap president yet you stick the boots in whenever you get the chance. Those in glass houses

with all due respect to Gardner... When he left the club we had a 5 mill debt! Handled Daniher departure poorly ... We need ex presidents etc supporting the current process

I like Roos but he has royally [censored] this one up and probably made it worse with his 'clarification'. Very poor idea to pot the fans who have been VERY patient for a VERY long period of time and still have to sit through performances of the past two weeks. I'm sure he wishes he'd never said it now.

"No you're not wrong Walter,you're just an [censored]". -The Big Lebowski.

Amen He might be correct, but for gods sake why bring more negative attention to the club?! You Paul are exactly the type of negative supporter Roos doesn't want to hear from anymore. Just shut it. You had your turn, you didn't succeed. Move on.

"Paul Roos was an amazing get and Peter Jackson needs to be congratulated on that." "Off field with Glen and Peter Jackson, they certainly seem to have steadied the ship, which is good." - PG ​Seriously destabilising words.

Which means that he wants a better club to offer the same deal as Melbourne.

don't give a toss whether gardner is right or wrong i just want to know why he so readily pops up only when he has something negative to say he must be mfc's mark latham

Beats me why this bloke gets air time Seems he's on speed dial when someone is lining up to give us a kick And as for that tripe about messiah's and Barassi - no RDB didn't get us to finals. But he & Slug Jordan laid the foundations for the Northey era Gardner gives me the irrits - whiny little dwarf