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There is some noise around. Absolutely. But difficult to decipher what is driven by truth, and what is driven by stuff like Slobbo's Likes and Dislikes this morning. But people who I consider reliable sources have their ears pricked. The other thing I'd say is directed at naysayers: It's easy, after the fact, to grab your erection and say "see I told you it wasn't going to happen!!!1!" But anyone with half a brain would realise these situations are fluid. If Danger doesn't ultimately come does that mean "pick x was tabled, and he's strongly considering Melbourne's offer" is rubbish? No, it doesn't. Anyway, I'll check in again if I get anything with legs.

Posted last year in this thread, pat was unbelievably close to accepting a deal put forward by melbourne. So much so that I quoted him at being above 90% to join. The thing that kept him at adelaide was an honest meeting with phil walsh in the days leading up to trade week that addressed pat's issues with the leadership at the club from board level, as well as the former coaching staff interaction with senior players. I would have assumed pat was a certainty to stay after talking to him earlier in the year, but the tragic passing of phil has put doubt in his mind about staying again. Very tough environment to be around still and a lot of trauma with him along with other players as you'd expect. I can't really add what he is thinking as of today, but I do know that he hasn't made his mind up either way. I was last meant to have a coffee with him after the gee long game but that weekend was thrown into chaos with phils passing. I'll add more if I know, but what I can tell you is melbourne have been very proactive to him and his management, Paul roos especially.

I wonder what impact Dawes' personality has with his working relationship with Hogan? One thing I've noticed is that they never get in each others way - I put this down to both mutual smarts and Dawes' awareness of his place in the world. He says himself that Hogan is #1 and he's a battler, but accepts it and doesn't lose confidence from it. It's an admirable personality trait.

It's odd that Chris Dawes brings out so much derision on here, given that he would be one of the first selected every week. The selectors/coaches obviously see him as a much more valuable player than the haters on Demonland. I wonder how many of those haters have really analysed the reasons why this is? Do you all think you might be missing something? Who do you want him to be? Jarryd Roughead, Jack Darling, Jesse Hogan? He isn't, but nor is he Jesse White or Liam Jones. He's got limitations and he knows it, but his presence as a big, hard working physical presence in the forward line who demands significant attention from a key defender is vital to this current team. Look to the future by all means, but accept that Dawes is a big part of the Dees as they stand and whether he really deserves the whinging, moaning negativity he gets......every week. I wonder what Jesse Hogan thinks of him?

mmm thats strange .....doesnt say the stat for number of crys per game....... Riewolt 9.2 Hogan 0.0

I rated our list last year and we’ve certainly improved since then. In fact I’m quite bullish now about our squad and have been since I saw vandenBerg play our first practice game against Freo, which confirmed that Jason Taylor has an awareness of what breed of footballer can be successful in today’s generation. The fact that we’ll win seven games this year (and possibly eight) indicates we have improved and our quest for a few stars may finally be taking shape. It’s not a sugar-coated rating like our club coaching comments, but hopefully I’m not coming across as a “nuff-nuff, kick the ball” fan either. Unlike the first two years of Roosy’s helm, I can’t see a major cull about to happen again with Jamar’s retirement and possibly only four players delisted. Three rookies have to be upgraded, although if we have to, VB’s upgrade could be deferred to next year. Obviously we need to find room in our cap for Gawny’s new contract and our A-lister recruit and that could mean Garland and Howe have to find new homes out of necessity. As I said last year, feel free to tear strips out of my assessments – it’s a view after all. Dees review A-graders 2 (last year 1) B-graders 12 (last year 9) C-graders 9 (last year 8) A-graders Nathan Jones – Yes, I know he’s not rated as highly as Fyfe, Danger, Cotchin, Mundy, Pendles etc and as such is not a top-end A-lister. But he’s still the only Demon who is regular tagged and that’s because his vision and accurate kicking make him a danger if he’s allowed to play unchecked. A sore shoulder early may have limited him, and at times he seems a tad slow, but it’s hard to be quick when you’ve always got someone on you. I rate him on a par with Sammy Mitchell and he’s the perfect choice as our captain given what we are trying to achieve with our game style. His game on the weekend, and that of Vince’s, needs to be ignored because it was so out of keeping he had to be sick. Bernie Vince – He had a few super games last year but he did seem to overdo the slamming the ball on his foot to clear a stoppage. When he had a shoulder op and hurt his hammy pre-season, I think most of us suspected he’d struggle to repeat his 2014 form. But from the moment he played on Danger in Rd 3 and went after him like a hungry wolf, we were won over. A change in role and increase in responsibility has seen him become the best proactive tagger since Roosy’s other main man – Brett Kirk. His list of victims includes Armitage, Cotchin and Pendles. B graders (12) Tom McDonald – What a revelation this year and whilst he may just miss All-Australian, he’s shown himself to be one of the league’s premier tall defenders. How good was his first four weeks? From the minute he started running off Cameron and Tex and Jack Riewoldt, you knew he’d arrived as a player and it’s only been Travis Cloke who has really nailed him. A fantastic spoiler and strong intercept mark, his mobility (he’s the fittest bloke in the side) has made Roosy pinch-hit him as a forward. That will be easier to do once Frost is fit and able to cover for him. Jesse Hogan – There are some who would now even rate him an A-grader, especially after his game on the weekend, and that’s where he’s heading. He’s not a thumping kick like Neiter, but he’s way more mobile. He’s already had to correct his stutter-kick technique a bit, so you suspect he’s just waiting for us to provide him with few more inside-50 entries, before he converts a bagful. Nice try by Roosy to push him ahead of Cripps for Rising Star, but making out he’s 19, when he’s been 20 all year, does him no favours. Lynden Dunn – Last year was his breakout year, so this year is marked harder by comparison. His long-kicking makes him one of our few linebreakers and his game on Tom-a-Hawk was a beauty. He can be beaten by pace, but he’s very good at tunnelling forwards, which is why he was safer than T-Mac on Cloke. Jack Viney – I called him our Joel Selwood last year and the view still holds and he even tagged the Geelong great. Jack just fights for every ball and you can’t underestimate how important a player with that intensity is. He still needs to polish up his delivery but he has pretty much stopped his bad habit of banging it on his foot from clearances now. With Vince, we have the best 1-2 tagger hit in the AFL – and the pair want to hurt offensively as well. Max Gawn – It has taken a long time and he even spent the first 10 weeks this season in the magoos, but at 23 he has finally arrived. Sure he struggled against NicNat and Goldy but there’s no doubt he’s a weapon and unlike most of the big men, he’s a superb pack mark – something of a rarity these days. His manager has also been lucky because with every game he can ask another $10K to be added to a deal that will surely net him close to $2.1 million for three years. Daniel Cross – It’s interesting to note that his one poor game for us in two years – against Essendon – was met with “he should be dropped calls” by quite a few. That’s the legacy of being 32 – too many want to send you off to a retirement village. But the next week he blitzed Brisbane. How disciplined is he? This year he’s even become our defensive intercept-mark floater, peeling off his high half-forward opponent – a role that has made it hard for Jack Grimes to get back into the side. Last off the training track, he’s the type of player you just pray is not dealt a James McDonald card at the end of the season. Neville Jetta – His first half of the year was cruelled by a few heavy knocks and concussion – one of them from an inadvertent Howey flyer. But he almost always plays on the most dangerous small forward and normally acquits himself so well, especially in the air where he’s got a deceptive spring. He’s also starting to run off a bit, which is why I’ve upgraded him to a B-grader this year. Jeremey Howe – We’ve all spent most of the season bemoaning his lack of intensity but since the Brisbane game we’ve seen the old Howey return. I wouldn’t be surprised if Roosy (or his wife) had a chat and said: I don’t care if you are leaving, the best thing for us is that you play well because we get a better deal on two levels – next year via a trade and this year by having a player who can kick the ball beautifully and quickly from defence.” The move of T-Mac forward may have helped a bit too, as Howey became our third tall defender and meant he rarely had to contend with a pacey small chasing him everywhere. I also think he’s starting to realize that taking a speccy is only about 5 per cent of the game – in this side it’s 60% stoppage intensity. I also reckon he’s a lot happier, as all of our guys are now that we are competitive, so don’t be surprised if he stays. But if money is his priority, then he’ll go, because we are close to the cap and have to do the right thing by Gawny. Angus Brayshaw – From the moment he started doing set shots with Nathan Jones at the end of training, you knew this kid had balls. Even better was Roosy’s decision to bring him in for Rd 1, when a couple of early knocks appeared to have scuttled his chances. He just fits into everything Roosy wants – loves to tackle, presents well as a marking option when required and is a thumping kick on the run – Jeffy must love him almost as much as the skipper. He’ll go into the middle rotation next year with Petracca replacing him on the forward line. He’ll be tagged by Round 5 and I feel sorry already for those who will cop that assignment. Jeff Garlett – In terms of what we gave up for him (pick 61 and 79 – neither used), he is the AFL’s bargain recruit of the year. He’s already kicked 33 goals, but he was recruited to provide pace and class and he’s done that in spades, often picking a defender’s pocket. Carlton fans will tell you he goes missing, but really which Carlton player doesn’t these days. He’s already our best small forward since Aaron Davey in his early years and he’s only just turned 26. Heritier Lumumba OK, there’s quite a few of you who will say he’s majorly overpaid and overrated. But as with Garlett, he was recruited to provide pace and the fact that we score more these days can partly be attributed to his gung-ho run from defence. Sure he looks at times like a chook with his head cutoff, but which would you rather, the slow, long kick to a contest that Garland provides or a chance at scoring on the rebound – Lumumba style. He’s also very good in the air on smaller opponents. I think at 28, he’s missed the boat on becoming a midfielder – but he’s certainly added something down back and effectively put Terlich out of business. Christian Salem – Until he got injured he was a shoo-in for our most improved. There’s still a few calling for him to go into the midfield, but right now he’s just what we need down back – a left-foot clearance option like Adem Yze used to provide in our 2000 season. He tackles well and this year he worked on his ability to beat his man in the air pre-season and we started seeing a bit of that skill before his hamstring went. He’s another player that gives us a hard quality edge and he’s only just turned 20. My only worry with him is pace – so Misson please read and realise that 400m reps get you fit, but they won’t make you much quicker. C-graders (9) Jack Watts – What a transformation. I think everyone knows he’s a good bloke and his disposal skills and vision at training is elite. But when he ducked his head twice in Adelaide it seemed his time was up. You have to be courageous to play AFL football and he’d failed the non-negotiable test again. You could almost hear his teammates complaining behind his back: “How can Jack get away with that and we get told off for doing half as bad?” But Roosy stayed loyal and Jack past 100 games. But then Jack did something that only he could do – he drops himself. It was the first step towards regaining respect. Injury meant he had to come back quickly for the QB game and when he nailed Varcoe in a tackle and scored a goal from the free, you almost could almost hear his teammates cheering. Since then he’s shown enough, primarily as a wingman, to suggest he now grasps the fact that he has to bring intensity – and while he missed tackles against Motlop and Selwood against Geelong, you just had to cheer the fact that he was trying to lay them, instead of being a stop-go man. It’s too early to tell if Jack has arrived, but finally there’s signs that he’s almost there. He had a hiccup against St Kilda and against North, when he started going sideways and forgot his role was to take the game on, no matter the cost, but he was all dash and class against the Pies. He could be our Isaac Smith, and it will only take two good games before oppositions start tagging him because he uses it so well. But Jack has always been tagged – the labels have been coming off everyone’s tongue since the day he was drafted and are back out again after his flu–induced soft game against the Roos. Dom Tyson – Our super recruit of 2014 has had second-year blues. While a knee injury has hurt, the intensity of our three main centre-bounce men – Jones, Vince, Viney – has hurt more with Dom now often having to line up on a forward flank. But in his favour is the fact that most sides now are rotating about six players through that role now – Roosy just has to get up to speed again on this. His left-foot kick can still be booming, but his lack of pace and awareness of an incoming tackler has frustrated all supporters more than once this year. He a leader type, so I imagine he’ll work himself into the ground next season to make amends and the signs against North were that it’s already happening. As I said last season, Misson needs to employ a sprint specialist coach in the off-season for him. If Dom can find an extra yard, then I can actually see him being sent back to defence – god knows we need some left-footers back there! Col Garland – Col fitted everything that Mark Neeld loved. He was pretty good in the air, tackled well and a safe, long kick. Only problem was that when Roosy started talking about keeping possession, Col didn’t quite get that the down the line option was a last resort. It’s been a battle to get Col to take the game on and at at 27, you suspect that style may have passed him by. But my biggest annoyance is why our coaches never throw him forward – we’ve seen T-Mac, Dunny, Pedo and in the old days Rivers and Frawley sent up the ground, but not our Col. And yet he was a forward as a junior. I suspect that Col has a huge decision to make in the off-season. The Gawny deal will mean he will have to take a paycut to stay and there’s sure to be a bit of interest in him from clubs should he decide to use the uncontracted player card. The good thing from our point of view is that Roosy has shown both Howey and him great loyalty, so don’t rule out the paycut option. Jack Grimes – Another tough decision for Roosy in the off-season. Grimesy is a smart team player who puts his body on the line, makes good position and reads the play well. But as many Demonlanders will tell you, his poor kicking, along with his lack of dash, lets him down. In one sense, Crossy has come in and is now playing his role, peeling off the high half-forwards and intercepting courageously. Can we afford two players like that in the one side? My own view is that you need smart players and I’d love him to stay on our list. But I can see his name being thrown up in trade week. Everytime I watch his brother at Richmond, I think Dylan’s the same as Jack – smart, reliable, selfless, just not a star. Mark Jamar – What has been really pleasing is to see the Russian coaching Spencer and Kingy at VFL level and I think that now that Gawn has made it, his role next year is obvious. He’s always been a smart tapman – especially given that he’s not exceptionally tall as ruckmen go, and he doesn’t possess Nic Nat’s leap. Could we do what we have done with Byrnes and combine an assistant role at the club with playing for Casey? Chris Dawes – He’s not that far behind Wattsy when it comes to critics and for completely different reasons. Dawes can never be questioned for not providing physical presence, just ask St Kilda’s Jimmy Webster, but his disposal skills and inconsistent marking make him the subject of frustration and derision. This year he’s also had to do a bit of back-up ruck work, but at 193cm, he’s easy fodder for most back-ups, particularly at centre bounces when he can’t use his strength. I can’t imagine him being traded, because I can’t imagine anyone desperately wanting a 27-year-old with dodgy calfs. If he clunks his marks like he did against North on the weekend, then he’s a major asset. But at worst, he’s a very good back-up tall for another year. Dean Kent – Injury cruelled his pre-season and just when it looked like he was ready to string games together, his hammy goes ping. We picked him up as a wingman, but he’s a hard-worker who loves a goal – a bit of a Devon Smith. He’s one of those small forwards that bobs up every now and then and gets a bagful, or the winner. But pleasingly he is not lazy – just a tad selfish, but that’s forgiveable in the role he plays. Being a leftie, he should really compliment our 2016 forward press set-up with Jeffy and Petracca. Jake Spencer – I’m sorry to be out of synch with Demonlanders, but ever since he ran through Ben McEvoy two seasons ago I’ve rated him – not as a star, but as a hardworking tapman that is the equal of all but the league’s top handful of ruckmen. In recent weeks they’ve tried to get him going as a VFL forward so that he could play in tandem with Gawny, but to be honest I can’t see him developing into a David Hale. But I can see him as a VFL B&F for Casey and the perfect player to have on your list in case of injury. Aaron vanderBurg – There’d be quite a few who’d already rate him a B-grader but I reckon he still has a little work to do, although he’s been the find of the year. He’s tough and big-bodied and can hold his own in a marking contest but he’s got a bit of a flaw in his tackling technique, tending to fall on top of players. As with Angus, you can see him getting more time in the middle next year, as he did when he bullied the Tigers. His pace for a big guy makes him ideal though as a mobile medium forward. We used to be smart with our rookie list players – (Bruce, Robbo, James Mc, Jamar etc) and it seems we may have rediscovered that trait. D-grade (7) Jimmy Toumpas – A bit of a DL favourite, especially when you look back at what was on offer when we drafted him. But as I said last year, his lack of explosive pace and marking ability means he will struggle to make it as a wingman. But he has a nice shimmy-step and is an accurate kick and is an impressive trainer, so don’t be surprised if we keep him for another season – I mean it’s not as if he’s going to help make a deal anymore. I used to think he might make it as an inside-mid, but that’s become such a hard gig these days and he’s shown he panics too much for that role anyway. But he could be a useful linkman (a very poor man’s Andrew Gaff perhaps), providing he plays in a side that has quicks around him. Aidan Riley – I said last year he’s a typical North Melbourne footballer – great tackler, fearless and can baulk players too. But he’s now faced with an almost insurmountable hurdle of trying to get into our midfield. As a result he’s been the sub in three of his four games this season and has had to come on and play as a small forward. He’s still only 23 so I’d like to see him persevered with for another year and he brings a level of intensity (charging pitbull) to the VFL that I think Casey needs. To me he’s a great back-up and I certainly wouldn’t like playing on him. Jay Kennedy-Harris – I’m not sure whether it was the fact he kicked our goal of the year against Adelaide, but we all loved JKH last year with his clean hands and disposal skills. This year, however, he’s looked a little-boy lost. Personally I’d send him down back in the VFL and see if he can grow in confidence playing a role as a defender similar to Jetta. Matt Jones – As with Rohan Bail, he’s really struggled to get a game this year – a victim of a better list and his inability to impose at AFL level as a wingman. This year he’s even had to accept a small forward role with Newton and then Stretch given his wing spot. He was super against Geelong (even snagged a couple) but a howler or two against West Coast hurt. I’ve seen him dominate VFL games though and as with Riley, I regard him as a really good, mature back-up and I hope we keep him for another season. Cam Pedersen – It seemed at the start of the year, the more flexible, quicker version of him called Sam Frost was going to render him obsolete. But once Frosty went down, Pedo was summoned and he showed Dawesy how to go about playing as the second or third tall and he’s a really good, long accurate kick. If he was a tad quicker, he’d be a standout, but he’s still very useful as a back-up big. He’s now out of contract, but assuming the Russian retires, then I’d keep him on for another season – just in case turf-toe hits Frosty again. He may need to accept a bit of a salary cut or be rookie-listed, but it’s not as if another club will want him at his age – 29 by start of next season. Jack Fitzpatrick – OK, I’d be the first to say I thought we should delist him last year. But as a defender he has real potential, so long as he doesn’t replicate his tunnel-ball moments. He’s always been quick, but this year he’s shown an ability to read the play. Just the other day Werribee were raving about his VFL game and I finally think he could become a regular, although you still wonder whether he can produce consistently. At worst he’s an ideal back-up tall defender and I suspect a few clubs will actually want him – so he may be useful trade bait if we could get the Prestia deal happening again. Given the size of the power forwards these days, I’d prefer to keep him, though as one day Dunny or T-Mac will get injured. Ben Newton – He’s a player who’s really hard to get a gauge on because one minute he’s kicking a 50m goal on the run and the next 15 minutes he’s not in the play. On paper he looks the goods. He’s 183cm, a thumping left-foot kick and every now and then lays a bone-crunching tackle. But whether he’s ultimately good enough, or fast enough, is the question and the reason why a second-year should tell. Viv Michie – Have a look at a VFL game and you will realize this guy oozes class. But unfortunately at AFL level he’s just not big enough or strong enough to play the major stoppage distributor role and he falls well behind Jonesy and Viney when it comes to laying tackles. He’s also not quite quick enough to play the high half-forward role, so you are left trying to figure out what to do with him. The answer isn’t good and it may mean terminating the third year of his deal. It will probably come down to him and Riley, although as with Pedo, this might be the year we have to resort to the re-draft as rookie option. D-grade but showing signs (7) Alex Neal-Bullen – We saw down at Geelong that he has a knack around goals but he was recruited as a midfielder and his size means that he will probably struggle long-term to make it as a small forward. But getting a game in our midfield is no longer easy and Angus and Vanders head the queue waiting ahead of him. But injuries happen, so at some point he will get his shot in the middle and he seems to have the smarts and toughness to succeed. My worry is that he’s not a quality kick, but we used to say that a bit about Jonesy and how wrong were we. Billy Stretch – The second leg of the Glenelg double and the first thing you note is that he’s tiny compared to Stephen. So far we haven’t seen his dad’s aerial ability either. But what we have seen is a really clever link player who runs hard to position and works both ways. Given his size, that’s mandatory if he’s going to make it in the AFL. It’s too early to tell if he’ll become a Kade Simpson, but provided he doesn’t get brushed aside too often, he could be. James Harmes – It’s no longer a gimme that every young player gets a game at Melbourne and Harmesy has had to work hard for it. But it probably shows the quality of our young midfield group that Harmesy has walked in and shown as much as any of them - Gus excepted. He’s still only 19 but plays with team-oriented confidence and has better aerial skills than JKH or Kenty, which means he might be able to hold his spot even with a full list next year. A certain upgraded rookie. Jayden Hunt – Until recently a lot of us had him in the delist bin but his past month has seen him emerge as a lively small forward at VFL level. He’s still really light, so he’s not ready for AFL yet, but if Jeffy gets injured next season, then you never know. He also may, fitness permitting, graduate to the wing. But right now we should just be pleased that his back is right and his weapon (pace) makes him worthy of at least another year. Max King – Last year we needed him to be a ruckman (injuries to Spencer and Gawn) and he just wasn’t up to it. This year our big three tapmen have all been fit, so Maxy has been forced to become a power forward, except that he’s still too lightweight to truly play that role. But he does have skill and is a good kick, so he’s well worth keeping on as a project for another year. Technically that means a rookie updagrade – our third. Mitch White From the minute he rocked up at training with black socks you knew he was blue-collar and he possesses a pretty lethal left foot. He just needed to keep his kicks a bit flatter and faster which he has started to do. It’s a bit hard to gauge his pace, but he certainly has all the other tools necessary to get a game and re-rookying him is a no-brainer. Oscar McDonald He’s skinnier than his brother and doesn’t look quite as tough. But he’s a much longer kick and if he develops a bit more muscle in the coming off-season, he should be just about ready to play AFL. The jury is still out on whether that is as a tall forward or defender. De-list grade (3) Rohan Bail – the fact that he’s spent almost the entire season in the VFL just shows how much we’ve improved. He’s always been a useful worker with good (not electric) pace but his disposal lets him down at times and that mark he dropped against West Coast probably spelt the end for him. Still 70 games, and almost as many concussions, is a great effort for a guy from Mt Gravatt. Jordie McKenzie – He spent the pre-season trying his heart out as a defender and got unlucky to be promoted for the game against Fremantle. Did one really good intercept and was charging into goal … and you guessed it, sprayed his shot. Sadly that about sums up his career and at age 25, it seems his career will end at 79 games. He’d be a good one to see if we could convince him to stay on and play for Casey as his work ethic is inspirational – just don’t make him your skills coach. Dean Terlich – Last year Jetta overtook him and this year Heritier has become our manic defensive sweeper/line breaker which means Dean has gone gameless. Terlich is still really good value for Casey and he’s one player with plenty of dash, but at times his poor disposal makes you groan. He has another year on his contract and he might be kept and be a very valuable player for Casey, but I suspect the carpet will be pulled from under him. Let’s wait and see how they rate when their fit (3) Jack Trengove – The first thing is that he has to get back to running without soreness. Then he has to play half a season in the VFL just getting used to playing again. And the third thing he has to hope for is that the AFL changes the rules and limits the interchange to 60 or less because any reduction in pace of the game will help him. As anyone who saw him play, he’s a great tackler, has a good leap and provided he can do a summer of sprints training with Matt Shirvington or some other specialist other than Misson, then he is a chance to come back and be a real factor late in the season as we push for the finals. Down the track I can see him replacing Crossy as that wise old tagging head that puts his body on the line. Sam Frost – I actually loved the look of this guy. He’s mega-quick, tall, loves to tackle and can play almost any position – I’d even be happy with him tagging Isaac Smith on a wing. Ultimately he’ll most likely end up in defence like his brother at the Pies, but that might just mean T-Mac is finally able to go forward as well. Christian Petracca – I don’t really know why his name comes up as a midfielder. Sure he might eventually play there, but he’ll almost certainly do his time as a medium tall up forward. If you saw him at training before his knee injury, he has a bit of the Dustin Martin’s about him – able to explode off other players and he’s got a good leap as well. He also won’t be shy tackling – Angusx2 I suspect.

This was the first chance I've had to see him live and I've gotta say it was amazing. Even my brother, a north supporter, says we've got a real champion on our hands. I've never heard him say anything positive about any of our players ever, even when Clarke was dominating a few years back. One day I'm going to be telling my grandkids about how I used to go down to the G and watch THE JESSE HOGAN kick bags for the red and blue. I hope it's with the same reverence as the older generation has when they speak to me about Flower, who I never got to see.

Who the heck is Pulopulos?

I used to hate Buckley as a player, now i have an enormous amount of respect for him and enjoy hearing him speak. On the other hand, I used to have the utmost respect of James Hird as a player, now I loathe the sight of him and cant bear to hear him speak!

Gosh, imagine the whinging we'd have to read on here now if the positions had been reversed, and we'd have taken Martin first and left Jesse. Actually, don't imagine it. It's very unpleasant.

Two minnows get caught and gutted while a number of bloated toadies still puddle about in the pond.

He won't have Vince tagging him anymore either.

I have been a critic but he was fantastic yesterday.

Can you win the rising star if you're already a star?

I've never understood why supporters care about what the players are paid. It has no impact on what happens once the player steps out on to the field, so why worry? As far as I'm concerned, Josh Mahoney is there to lose sleep over player contract value so I don't have to.

Whilst this topic seems to be 'hot', I would like to say that I can't quite understand why posters would be against paying 'overs' to one of the star midfielders of this competition. I can't quite understand the logic. I mean, am I stating the bleeding obvious in saying that landing a player like Dangerfield would fast track the development of our younger and developing mids, have an influence in fast tracking us up the ladder and into finals which in turn would have a direct result on young budding stars like Hogan wanting to stay at the club? I can't see an argument against paying a player like him 'overs'. Unless of course it means we won't have enough money to offer Hogan for his next contract. Obviously the club wouldn't allow that to happen. I also doubt that many if any of the players on our list would be against the club paying big dollars to get a player like Damgerfield to our club. They've been starved of success for so long, I'm sure they'd welcome any him with open arms regardless of the amount.

The difference is we won't have to trade for Dangerfield.

At least we can all agree that picking Cale Morton over Dangerfield was right, right?

well at least we are improving. It used to be ... HANDBOOK ON HOW TO BEAT MELBOURNE: Turn up.

Could be time to re open this.. Found this on Bigfooty Found this interesting in Robbo's Tackle column: 2. Patrick Dangerfield: Absolutely think he’s gone, although the Crows remain confident. Still, think it’s the Cats for him, although the Demons talk won’t go away. Anyhow, the guy gives his all and his performance against Richmond was one of his best. and.. Patrick Dangerfield ‏@dangerfield32 20h20 hours ago This bloke seriously dominating today. And By this bloke I don't mean this bloke... #AFLDeesNorth pic.twitter.com/EE3QYSNKUS

Higgins comment in the press: Paraphrased "Melbourne got us in the second when they went man on man. We were too slow to react to this." How many far king times this year have we been killed by the loose man in defence. North started the game with a loose man in defence FFS. Maybe I don't know what the 'strategy' of the coach is but this is really starting to get on my nerves. EVERY time we go man on man (Geelong anyone ?) we play good footy and don't get blown out of the water. When we allow good teams to have a loose man and move it around at will we get slaughtered. Its infuriating. HANDBOOK ON HOW TO BEAT MELBOURNE: Tag Nathan Jones Have a loose man in defence. Full stop.

Posted this after one of the Maroochydore preseason training sessions - pretty satisfied with my "vibe" at present with regards to young Nibbler. Thought I'd include the last line of my training report from the same day. If you want this week's lotto numbers, just ask.

Has Rory Sloane written all over him. Tough, fearless and wins the hardball. Will be a beauty for us in years to come. And to think he didn't even do a pre season due to his knee injury its first class the way he has manage to play 6 games and contribute. I think next year he will be easily best 22 in our midfield.

Hogan is a significantly better player than Reiwoldt.

Thing is, Dangerfield would cost us nothing more than cap space, and our capability to "overspend" would indicate we had that in spades. We won't always, but we do now, so I say we front load like a mofo.

Give it a break...in the Hawks v Tiges game Hodge kicked the ball into Delidio (on the mark)...then ran away from one of the best kicks in the game (Delidio) to protect space and let him kick an easy goal. Poor kick, really poor decision...it happens. Not great from Watts but he has been one of our better users of the ball for a while now, he had a bad day and obviously wasn't switched on at all for whatever reason.

I think most of these 'flogs' are just supporters who want their players performing at or close to their best, week in week out.

I don't know if we are in the running or not but I'm certainly not interested in paying overs for him. If it forces the Cats hand and they have to move up to $1mill + then well and good.

We need Salem back. Desperately lacking polish at half back.

people saying we should have played another tall. not sure I agree. North subbed out Brown and then the floodgates opened in the last Q. I reckon we were running them off their feet for a while there. and I reckon north thought they went too tall

Just thinking about the Danger to Dees scenario. Actually wouldn’t be a bad option for him. He’d get serious money. At least 1.0 – 1.2 million a year. Maybe a 6 – 7 million over 5 year deal. Cash will be freed up so I would say there would be some serious front loading to assist us keeping Hulk, Viney, Gus etc later on. Got a great young midfield to teach (Viney, Brayshaw, Patracca, Tyson, Stretch, , Neal-Bullen, Newton?...maybe) Got some experience in there as well (Jones, Cross, Trengove… if he’s right). He wouldn’t have to play in and under as much as we have grunt but not enough polish. Good for his body as it’s taken a battering. He’s only 25. Give him 5 years, takes him to 30. Would have some connections to the Crows (Goodwin, Vince) Deliver it lace out to the Hulk. Who wouldn't want to do that!? Can go forward and work with Garlett, Neal-Bullen, JKH as a small forward. I would say our list is in a better position than Geelong & Adelaide's in the next 5 years as we have done a lot of work with the next generation coming through. Wouldn’t be surprised if the AFL are massaging the club to help them get Danger over the line. Crowds up, sponsorship etc. Plus Moggs Creek is only a couple hours away. Set him up nicely to retire @ 30...lucky bugger! If by some chance this does happen, I'm buying shares in Kleenex as there will be a sudden rise in tissue sales!!!

I love the arrogance of the kid, in that he reminds me of Carey. Thompson didn't even try his usual tactics as Hogan was already bending him over.

Andddddddddd We're off!

I'm in the same boat. But he needs to produce something similar consistently, because otherwise he's not good enough for mine. Still think we should be looking for an upgrade this trade period.

That mark in the last was awesome. Fearless and courageous

If hogan leaves the club we will demand 54 first round picks and the teams 3 best players

Now now Ethan, remain calm. That type of comment will get you into serious trouble with SPIO - the Society for the Protection of Inanimate Objects.

I'm staggered that anyone can honestly suggest that performance shouldn't be measured against contract size.

All anyone should need to know is that Roos picks him every single week because he understands football and the importance of this player for our club at this point in time But some people feel the need to come on here and bleat for him to be dropped every week, as if Roos is some clueless mug and it is they who should be coaching instead It's annoying. Back the coach.

Not sure that is true C & B Dawes is still near the top the low performers for me. In 2015 he has played 2 -3 games that justified his selection. Hardly a good result for the amount he is paid. We will know we are on the way up when he is not an automatic selection.

Cameron Ling and Matthew Richardson don't think so http://www.3aw.com.au/news/cameron-ling-and-matthew-richardson-says-melbourne-should-offer-jesse-hogan-a-contract-for-life-20150810-givjr0.html Ling: "Hogan could be to Melbourne what legendary basketballer Michael Jordan was to the Chicago Bulls"

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I thought exactly the same thing Clint. Robbie Tarrant must have felt terribly ripped off - he only defended against Dawes the same way every other defender has since he's been here, ie scragging, holding and chopping his arms, but he was the first one to get pinged for it.

Did anyone notice the Melbourne Trainer with the colossal mullet? It was a work of art!

Heres a stat comparison of Jesse Hogan vs Jack Riewoldt Everyone's talking Riewoldt for AA... why not Jesse? Would Riewoldt be getting the same stats in the Melbourne team with a poor midfield? http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1731&tid2=12&pid2=3916&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

This is like trying to watch a show called Valley of the brain dead.

He's a small forward. Surely going missing a bit is just part of the gig? Even at his worst, he is still dangerous. If he'd swallowed that mark he may have had two goals today - I'd take a crap day with two goals over anything we've got kicking about in the VFL.

I do giggle whenever anyone blames the lack of selection of Fitzy for a loss. I wonder sometimes if there's some other Fitzy on our list that I've forgotten about, because the one I've seen definitely ain't the man to turn our losses in to wins. Notwithstanding the fact that he was unavailable today anyway. Suspect Brown might not have torn us a new one if their midfield had more to beat than witch's hats in the first quarter.

Stu, I reckon the only thing worse than having the same players in the revolving door is making changes based on a sample size of one game. Suggesting to drop Garlett is dead set laughable. He wasn't clean with the ball, he dropped a sitter etc, sure, but surely he's got the credits up his sleeve to be given some benefit of the doubt. You make changes that made the side better - that's why the same old names keep getting tossed up, because on balance they're the worst players in the side. There's no way there are better players than Garland and Garlett kicking about in the VFL at the moment. I'd say the same is true for Harmes at the moment, too.

I'm no Matt Jones fan but he was good today.. No way he'll be dropped. Michie wasn't too bad. Lumumba should be copping the most heat but he won't. May aswell keep M.Jones & Michie in they are playing for their careers... Not sure how Salem or any of the others went at Casey though