2 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Oh I'm well aware of that, and they are owned by billionaires, I just hate seeing [censored] all over our Jumpers, shorts etc

The billionaires just buy and sell the clubs. The operating money comes from the media rights and TV advertising. Cities that host clubs are even forced to build, upgrade and pay for stadiums or else clubs leave for better offers. The billionaires don’t have to spend any more of their money. Unlike the AFL the NFL benefits from a perpetual gravy train and owners are modern versions of ancient warlords with their own private armies living off plunder. I believe only Green Bay Packers is owned by the Green Bay community.

1 hour ago, John Crow Batty said:

The billionaires just buy and sell the clubs. The operating money comes from the media rights and TV advertising. Cities that host clubs are even forced to build, upgrade and pay for stadiums or else clubs leave for better offers. The billionaires don’t have to spend any more of their money. Unlike the AFL the NFL benefits from a perpetual gravy train and owners are modern versions of ancient warlords with their own private armies living off plunder. I believe only Green Bay Packers is owned by the Green Bay community.

more like plantation owners

3 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I just hate seeing [censored] all over our Jumpers, shorts etc

Couldn't agree more, and it's not just footy.

The big red "W" (Westpac) on the front of the Australian Test team's shirts looks absolutely dreadful.

Gee we timed this sponsorship well, didn’t we. First bikies, now tax troubles.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/blue-chip-companies-used-security-firm-facing-massive-tax-workplace-probes-20251203-p5nkez.html

I wonder how long until this thread title changes to 'Farewell MA Services'!

It involves allegations that MA is operating a shadow security guard workforce of several thousand migrant employees across Australia who, while wearing MA uniforms, are employed by front companies that in turn utilise corrupt payroll firms to underpay workers, denying them superannuation or other entitlements, while avoiding tax obligations.

When the Tax Office seeks to recover what it is owed, these subcontractors and payroll firms collapse and their directors disappear overseas or refuse to assist investigators, according to liquidators’ reports and company sources.

Oh well at least we're not alone in using them but taking them as a sponsor.......such timing !!

On 29/11/2025 at 19:56, Demonstone said:

Couldn't agree more, and it's not just footy.

The big red "W" (Westpac) on the front of the Australian Test team's shirts looks absolutely dreadful.

It looks terrible but also would be a problem for the batting team surely.

I'm surprised there hasn't been complaints.

They are so pedantic about where the site screen is yet don't seem to mind a red ball coming out of a red logo on the front of the bowlers shirt...

I’m glad we didn’t get a gambling agency as a sponsor because I am going to bankrupt them all when Letrelle wins this rising star and Langford gets the most Melbourne Brownlow votes

On 29/11/2025 at 12:24, Deeman said:

Is it the connections with bikies or with Albo that we’re objecting to?

common link CFMEU Thugs and bikies

due diligence?

Interesting to hear our upbeat CEO talk about this in coming days.

Yesterday at Gosch’s a track-watcher said, “Ghosty, look behind us, a group of bikies has just turned up.” This is what I saw…

I said all good, they’re just our new sponsors.

It’d be sooo Melbourne to have these guys as “bikies” 😁

Funny story but when I left the real world and joined the Telstra Dome security team, Ian Collins was running the Stadium Management Group and long story short they decided to cut the costs and outsourced security to a mob called ACG, by this time we became Etihad Stadium. Several years later ACG were under investigation for superannuation under payments, Ghosting, Tax fraud, and several other issues. We then were taken over by Spotless but they do everything above board including paying penalty rates etc and the Stadium then went into business with other cheaper options. aFL House was under our Security jurisdiction we monitored their site and responded to any alarms. We had Mr Nixon as a tenant at that time as well but they do everything less said the better.

Edited December 4, 2025Dec 4 by DeeZone

On 29/11/2025 at 14:53, ElDiablo14 said:

Jaguar is a dying brand.

Spot on, of late they have managed to delete all ice models and have none of the new EV models to sell. Nothing to sell for nearly 11 months. They are a great company.

12 minutes ago, old dee said:

Spot on, of late they have managed to delete all ice models and have none of the new EV models to sell. Nothing to sell for nearly 11 months. They are a great company.

Are least they f'd off the [censored] who created the mess.

Jag need to go back to being Jag.. no evs... totally ICE... actually become the point of difference. Be anti-conformality . Let the Cat roar.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

  52 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Are least they f'd off the [censored] who created the mess.

Sorry BB I seem to have got my comment in the wrong place.

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

  58 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Are least they f'd off the [censored] who created the mess.

Well... I've be sent to Coventry enough times maybe I'll just call in 😉

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Well... I've be sent to Coventry enough times maybe I'll just call in 😉

There is nothing happening there bb. They are still waiting to told what to make.

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

There is nothing happening there bb. They are still waiting to told what to make.

For old timers like me it saddens to see Jag go to the bin. Fav car company is Lotus... but I'm not a fan these days. Still innovative...still clever, not sure Chapman would approve.

Just now, beelzebub said:

For old timers like me it saddens to see Jag go to the bin. Fav car company is Lotus... but I'm not a fan these days. Still innovative...still clever, not sure Chapman would approve.

When I was younger the machine to aspire to was an E type Jaguar. Now that is a while ago but they are sure not even on a younger person's mind.

Edited December 4, 2025Dec 4 by old dee

On 19/11/2025 at 14:16, Ethan Tremblay said:

If I ever want to feel depressed, I login here to read posters responses to positive news.

You were saying?

On 04/12/2025 at 15:46, beelzebub said:

Are least they f'd off the [censored] who created the mess.

Jag need to go back to being Jag.. no evs... totally ICE... actually become the point of difference. Be anti-conformality . Let the Cat roar.

As they say; go woke, go broke. Jaguar are the epitome of this.

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

You were saying?

Aged like a fart.

19 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

As they say; go woke, go broke.