I did state after the GF that it was most likely a time to change at the Swans.  Longmire couldn't get them over that final line.   15 years with a consistent record (Yes their special academy helps) shows he can build a good culture and team.

It will be interesting to see how much Cox changes how they play or as heir apparent will stick with the same model. 

 

23 minutes ago, Demon Head said:

Crisis at the Swans. Bad culture going all the way back to Dr. Edelsten and Warwick Capper.

I blame the Swanettes.

44 minutes ago, kryton101 said:

Maybe he just has had enough? Its a long time in the pressure seat.  From what I have seen at the Swans is he probably goes out on his own terms rather than some sort of board coup (of course I could be very wrong).  

Agreed.  Not many senior coaches are in the position for 14 seasons.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he reflected and just thought that himself that he was feeling a bit stale as well as his gamestyle amd message to his players.  After all, he took over the reigns from Roos in very similar manner.  He has got one flag to his name as coach and umpteen as a player, so is not still reaching for that as an unfulfilled achievement.

After 14 years on $1M - $2M+ as senior coach, plus whatever he had managed from his playing days, it's not like these guys need to work.  Again similar to Roos, he may just ultimately end up walking away from the professional football scene altogether and live a more normal life.

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Spoke to two Swans mates and both are ecstatic.

Say he is very one dimensional and inflexible.

Sounds familiar

We will find out the reasons at some stage.

Certainly hope it is not health related for him or his family.

I think it may be, got this offer from Tasmania, love the swans but want a commitment past 2025.  Swans sorry John we will review mid year, ok then see ya later. 

27 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Spoke to two Swans mates and both are ecstatic.

Say he is very one dimensional and inflexible.

Sounds familiar

Yep. Familiar to football supporters of every football club since about forever. 

Except Terry Wallace. The nuffies loved him.

13 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Yep. Familiar to football supporters of every football club since about forever. 

Except Terry Wallace. The nuffies loved him.

John Longmire has taken up a new role with Swans -Executive Director Club Performance. So taking a back seat role at the club.😁💕

He would be an outstanding footy manager if we decide to part ways with Richo at the end of 2025. 

I wondered after the GF how he could summon the energy to front up again after losing four GFs on the trot. No surprise and an honourable departure.

Reckon he needs to leave the Swans for a clean break, both for him and the club.

2 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

wow… brutal life at the top isn’t it. He’s  of the absolute best coaches going around. If the swans had finished 3rd instead of losing another GF I wonder if he stays. Doesn’t feel like a good move.

Assistant coach at the dees? 

Well, heaps of other clubs have poached our assistant coaches, so why not?

32 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Yep. Familiar to football supporters of every football club since about forever. 

Except Terry Wallace. The nuffies loved him.

eugh, after 30-odd years, the name Terry Wallace still makes my skin crawl.

13 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

eugh, after 30-odd years, the name Terry Wallace still makes my skin crawl.

Rod Grinter says hi.

7 minutes ago, alpha33 said:

Rod Grinter says hi.

Yep!!  For that!  for Wallace to claim all the damage, and then NOT MISS A GAME OF FOOTBALL is to me incredulous.

I have a long memory.....

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Spoke to two Swans mates and both are ecstatic.

Say he is very one dimensional and inflexible.

Sounds familiar

5 GFs in 14 years

One dimensional and inflexible might be the way to go

(I know they lost 4 of 5)

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Oh to be a club that doesn't leak.

This has probably been a conversation with Dean Cox for a couple of months. You can guarantee Cox would have been having significant input into trade and draft conversations with this transition in mind.

I have mixed feelings about Longmire's legacy.

Zero doubt he is a very good coach, but I cringe when people describe him as great or one of the best. In the end, with a lot of favours going his way (coaching a club in solid form with ideal facilities and established culture, significant home ground advantage, which had already played finals almost continuously for 15 years, and which wasn't subject to the 'natural cycle' thanks to academy pick top-ups) his coaching record is roughly on par with Simon Goodwin.

 

Longmire has been an incredible coach and his consistency across his 14 years puts him right up there with the best coaches.  Missing the finals only twice in 14 years in a system that has a salary cap and draft is something that should be celebrated 

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Spoke to two Swans mates and both are ecstatic.

Say he is very one dimensional and inflexible.

Sounds familiar

Same, have a good mate that couldn't be happier. 

5 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Longmire has been an incredible coach and his consistency across his 14 years puts him right up there with the best coaches.  Missing the finals only twice in 14 years in a system that has a salary cap and draft is something that should be celebrated 

I'm not criticising his record but he's had the living in Sydney allowance for some of it and first dibs on players like Heeney, Mills and Gulden for starters.

Given the thrashings in their last two GF's I'm not surprised.  As usual the Swans very professional.

I'm conflicted on what I think about Coaches losing GFs

Part of me thinks a coach's job is to get a team in finals and in a position to win a flag which he has done many times. On the day, I put a lot of the blame has to go on the players for not showing up like they did the last 2 GFs. Sure the coach has a big role but what can he really say or do that he hadn't said all throughout the year/s?

For the blow-outs, I put the blame firmly on the players for choking

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Horse replaced by Big Cox in a like for like transition.

Tsk, tsk!

(...but, 😄)

32 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Longmire has been an incredible coach and his consistency across his 14 years puts him right up there with the best coaches.  Missing the finals only twice in 14 years in a system that has a salary cap and draft is something that should be celebrated 

Yes but also propped up with academy picks through that time. Heeney, Mills, Blakey three of their best players they otherwise wouldn't have had. Gulden too?

Took longer then I expected but the Genius that is “Chris from Camberwell” finally called Dwayne to ask why Melbourne wouldn’t consider Longmire

I beat him to it - put mine in yesterday! 🙂

51 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Longmire has been an incredible coach and his consistency across his 14 years puts him right up there with the best coaches.  Missing the finals only twice in 14 years in a system that has a salary cap and draft is something that should be celebrated 

His win rate is less than 1 game per season better than Goodwin and for finals they are equal.

Goodwin has only ever coached one finals blow-out, in his first ever finals campaign with a young team with barely a player who had finals experience.

Longmire has literally never coached a team with less finals experience than the Demon's have now!

Anyway, Longmire is a very good coach who fell short of greatness despite everything in his favour.

I'm really just throwing down the gauntlet to any of the Goodwin-hating numbnuts out there who also want to pump Longmire's tyres.