Time to release the kolt!  Get well soon, CP5

1 hour ago, Brownie said:

What if the grub or one of the other players, deliberate or not gave Tracca a solid bump or collision in that area when he went back on?

It could potenitally have been career ending if he'd copped another big hit.

He's probably our future captain and close to our MVP at the moment. It just seemed absolutely reckless to put someone back on when he was flat out walking off at half time.

 

1 hour ago, poggers said:

So is your take on this that the club did all they could to protect the players welfare? The rhetoric around what constitutes an operation is just dribble and anything in "hindsight" is the problem with taking proactive measures. He should never have been allowed to take the field and the club as some explaining to do. 

So I guess every player who cops a knock to the flank and is gasping needs to be subbed out immediately regardless of medical assessment?   What a great opportunity for someone lowlife like 💩#4 early in a GF.  Sub out a few key opposition players - don't even need to KO anyone now.

He was assessed by the club doctor, and between him / her and Tracc they thought he was OK to continue.

Reassessed and the story and plan changed, as it should have.

The retrospectoscope has always been a wonderful medical implement.  Plaintiff lawyers love it.

Edited June 11, 2024Jun 11 by monoccular

1 hour ago, poggers said:

So is your take on this that the club did all they could to protect the players welfare? The rhetoric around what constitutes an operation is just dribble and anything in "hindsight" is the problem with taking proactive measures. He should never have been allowed to take the field and the club as some explaining to do. 

Dr Peter Brukner, a professor of sports medicine at La Trobe University who has been a club doctor for Collingwood and Melbourne, defended the Demons’ decision to allow Petracca to return to the field after his initial assessment.

“Initially these things may not seem too bad because you often get bruised ribs -- that’s something some people can play with,” Brukner said.

“He [Petracca] would be pushing: ‘Let me see how I go’ sort of thing. As I said, sometimes it takes a little bit of time for the breathing difficulties and the bleeding to manifest itself. It’s probably not that unusual that he went back on. But I think they quickly realised he wasn’t right. Then he started to complain about feeling worse, and they quickly went into action.”

Brukner, who was at the game and spoke with Melbourne’s club doctors in the dressing room afterwards, said the Demons had done well to send Petracca to hospital as quickly as they had.

“You can miss these and ignore them and just say, ‘He is in pain.’ But I think they did very well to get him off to hospital as quickly as they did,” Brukner said.

“He would have had a tube inserted into his lung to expand the lung, and sedation and painkillers because the fractured ribs are very painful. And then they would just be observing the spleen side of things to make sure he was not continuing to bleed, which, in rare cases, they have to take the spleen out if that’s the only way to stop the bleeding. Usually, the bleeding just settles down by itself.

“You can imagine, there is a cut on the spleen … and it just stops bleeding after a while. It just depends how severe that laceration was. A horrible injury.”

(The Age, 11 June)

3 hours ago, Smokey said:

You tell me - what are the obvious outward signs of a ruptured spleen that the medico's could identify on the sidelines? 

What about checking for cracked ribs? An outward signs there?

I think we’ve reached the point where we’ve had enough injuries and players with rubbish pre-seasons to say the season is done. So there’s no point rushing him back.

Got to get around Trac and give him all the time he needs to heal.

Additional to amazing that he came back on is that despite Trac's running and jumping ability being restricted, he still got good possessions in that 5 minute period.

Legend.

Most of the others on the list. Take note.

11 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Dr Peter Brukner, a professor of sports medicine at La Trobe University who has been a club doctor for Collingwood and Melbourne, defended the Demons’ decision to allow Petracca to return to the field after his initial assessment.

“Initially these things may not seem too bad because you often get bruised ribs -- that’s something some people can play with,” Brukner said.

“He [Petracca] would be pushing: ‘Let me see how I go’ sort of thing. As I said, sometimes it takes a little bit of time for the breathing difficulties and the bleeding to manifest itself. It’s probably not that unusual that he went back on. But I think they quickly realised he wasn’t right. Then he started to complain about feeling worse, and they quickly went into action.”

Brukner, who was at the game and spoke with Melbourne’s club doctors in the dressing room afterwards, said the Demons had done well to send Petracca to hospital as quickly as they had.

“You can miss these and ignore them and just say, ‘He is in pain.’ But I think they did very well to get him off to hospital as quickly as they did,” Brukner said.

“He would have had a tube inserted into his lung to expand the lung, and sedation and painkillers because the fractured ribs are very painful. And then they would just be observing the spleen side of things to make sure he was not continuing to bleed, which, in rare cases, they have to take the spleen out if that’s the only way to stop the bleeding. Usually, the bleeding just settles down by itself.

“You can imagine, there is a cut on the spleen … and it just stops bleeding after a while. It just depends how severe that laceration was. A horrible injury.”

(The Age, 11 June)

The doctor from VFL 80's who is a columnist for the Age......   let me give you some other things Brukner has stated. " it is no surprise that clubs sometimes struggle to find a well-credentialed, experienced doctor".

"on match days, they make spur-of-the-moment decisions".

"if they saw the same player presenting to their clinic, would require a detailed history and examination in addition to relevant imaging"

"The days of coaches pressuring club doctors into allowing players to return to the game are thankfully over; within football clubs, the primary concern is for the health of the player"

You are literally writing things like this one doctor who specialises in nutrition is the only voice of reason when many others are saying the total opposite. Nice biased research on your behalf though. 

 

32 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

So I guess every player who cops a knock to the flank and is gasping needs to be subbed out immediately regardless of medical assessment?   What a great opportunity for someone lowlife like 💩#4 early in a GF.  Sub out a few key opposition players - don't even need to KO anyone now.

He was assessed by the club doctor, and between him / her and Tracc they thought he was OK to continue.

Reassessed and the story and plan changed, as it should have.

The retrospectoscope has always been a wonderful medical implement.  Plaintiff lawyers love it.

I thought I asked a simple question. Do you agree or not? In relation to "every player" how many players this year have you seen react to a hit like the one Tracc received?

Where did anyone say about subbing players out regardless of a medical assessment? Or is this how you project your bias? 

3 hours ago, Smokey said:

To anyone lamenting our medico's for "allowing" him back on to the ground - the extent of the injuries were not known until he went to hospital. All they really have to go on is whether the player themselves thinks they can continue play or not. 

 

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Is this fact??

 

3 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Stupid question on 'Land @picket fence. You should know better than most we are in a post-truth world. Rules are 'schemes of arrangement' and facts are the last thoughts that ran through the brain picked up from an ever increasing shrill and delusional public discourse.

 

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Needs deciphering! 🤔

The smartest person in this room is @WalkingCivilWar @picket fence. She knows plain language English much better than me. Over to her.

Plenty of people have played on with rib injuries.

I know we're all [censored] off because the season is effectively done and dusted and the future ain't looking to bright but are we going to start a witch-hunt of the medical staff as well as the coaching team?

I hope Trac makes a full recovery and is ready for next season. This season is cooked so no point rushing recovery unnecessarily

Incredibly brave (and stupid) of Petracca to return to the field, if only his teammates cared as much. 

Nobody will ever convince me that it wasn't totally negligent of the club to let him return, but we've made an art form of mismanaging injured and unfit players this season. He could have tested out his capacity to play in the rooms without putting him back out there. 

It is also incredibly poor coaching to have your number one midfielder standing under high balls in the forward line. That's not his role and there is a fair argument that he doesn't know how to protect himself in that situation. 

26 minutes ago, poggers said:

I thought I asked a simple question. Do you agree or not? In relation to "every player" how many players this year have you seen react to a hit like the one Tracc received?

Where did anyone say about subbing players out regardless of a medical assessment? Or is this how you project your bias? 

He was, initially after medical assessment, not subbed.  

After reassessment he was subbed and sent to hospital.

In retrospect he would have been better off being subbed at Q time - he wasn't then was.

Clinical assessment and reassessment always occurs in trauma.  Diagnoses are not always apparent the first time.  Changing findings demands changing plans.

13 minutes ago, poita said:

Incredibly brave (and stupid) of Petracca to return to the field, if only his teammates cared as much. 

Nobody will ever convince me that it wasn't totally negligent of the club to let him return, but we've made an art form of mismanaging injured and unfit players this season. He could have tested out his capacity to play in the rooms without putting him back out there. 

It is also incredibly poor coaching to have your number one midfielder standing under high balls in the forward line. That's not his role and there is a fair argument that he doesn't know how to protect himself in that situation. 

We will just have to agree to disagree, especially on the question of "totally negligent of the club".

If i was a defender I would put my knee up every time. obviously you want to make your opponent feel it. Moore didn’t do anything wrong or illegal

The lack of football knowledge on this site is embarrassing. Football is a really tough game, accidents & collisions do happen & in this case causing a really nasty injury.

Sure Moore went hard at the contest, but it’s within the rules, l just wish our boys played with the same physicality 

And to all the budding doctors out there, leave it the experts.

Get we’ll Trac that was beyond brave

 

9 minutes ago, monoccular said:

He was, initially after medical assessment, not subbed.  

After reassessment he was subbed and sent to hospital.

In retrospect he would have been better off being subbed at Q time - he wasn't then was.

Clinical assessment and reassessment always occurs in trauma.  Diagnoses are not always apparent the first time.  Changing findings demands changing plans.

We will just have to agree to disagree, especially on the question of "totally negligent of the club".

So you think the club did all they could to protect the player.... Yes or no?

He was assessed and clearly not ok. Everyone could see that. Even his first contest after being on the ground, he hunched over in agony. The second contest he couldn't take body contact and even then it was another ten minutes before they took him off. 

Trauma patients aren't generally on a football field playing a contact sport at the highest level. Its this simple, the "want" for him to be out there somehow out weighed his health and most people can plainly see that. 

 

33 minutes ago, poita said:

Incredibly brave (and stupid) of Petracca to return to the field, if only his teammates cared as much. 

Nobody will ever convince me that it wasn't totally negligent of the club to let him return, but we've made an art form of mismanaging injured and unfit players this season. He could have tested out his capacity to play in the rooms without putting him back out there. 

It is also incredibly poor coaching to have your number one midfielder standing under high balls in the forward line. That's not his role and there is a fair argument that he doesn't know how to protect himself in that situation. 

Nobody will ever convince you of anything though. 

Thank you Trac, really appreciate your effort. Get well soon. 

40 minutes ago, poita said:

Incredibly brave (and stupid) of Petracca to return to the field, if only his teammates cared as much. 

Nobody will ever convince me that it wasn't totally negligent of the club to let him return, but we've made an art form of mismanaging injured and unfit players this season. He could have tested out his capacity to play in the rooms without putting him back out there. 

It is also incredibly poor coaching to have your number one midfielder standing under high balls in the forward line. That's not his role and there is a fair argument that he doesn't know how to protect himself in that situation. 

Yep he should’ve just run out of the way, how dare he help out the backline 

Maybe you should re read what you’ve written before posting 

For those saying he was brave and tough for going back out there, he was bloody stupid for doing so.

He obviously wanted to keep digging deep and help his team but sometimes you need to make a call.

I get he may not have known the extent but this is where the club should have overuled. You could tell he wasn't right.

He came back out with his left arm cradled across, he was hunched over & wouldn't make contact 

Imagine if a Maynard or daicos tackled him harder. 

Literally bleeds for the red and the blue. Absolute legend of the club and was on track for his 5th all Australian.  Gutted. 

On the plus side I'm excited to see what direction his cooking goes during his convalescence. I'm expecting more soups. 

4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

You don't often have a finger monitor and an IV in your arm if you're just in for light observations to some cracked ribs.

 I haven’t seen the photo, but unless it’s attached to a drip, the cannula could be there for a CT scan?

The finger monitor is merely there to measure oxygen levels in the red blood cells (I’d get one of those put on my finger whenever they check my blood pressure just before having my chemo infusion).

I can attest to how serious spleen injuries can be.  Happened to my brother. Head trainer told him to not be so soft and play through the pain.   He played out the game, got home and collapsed.  If my sister hadn't been at home he would have died on the spot.  Took him to er and straight into operating room.   Spleen totally removed.  missed rest of season.

1 hour ago, poita said:

Nobody will ever convince me that it wasn't totally negligent of the club to let him return, but we've made an art form of mismanaging injured and unfit players this season. He could have tested out his capacity to play in the rooms without putting him back out there. 

Trac has stated on his Insta feed that he brought himself back on, his decision alone not the medicos, so can we please cease the cr@p and hand-wringing about the alleged negligence of the club medical staff.

Trac gone for the season. radio.