POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Hawthorn

[picket fence 16,798]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

yep

i'm not convinced the game style mitchell wants them to play can be effectively executed by the players at his disposal

Yeah he needs a combination of a Zimbabwe Bobsled team coupled with a Himalayan soccer team for his side ways reverse herringbone formation! Ghastly!😱

[demon3165 2,612]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He’s less of a tool in yellow and brown. It helps that he’s no longer being egged on by a bunch of halfwits in the stands. 
 

Although my train ride home was incredibly unpleasant thanks to a pack of drunk Hawks fans aggressively swearing and chanting profanities against the Melbourne fans on the train. Absolute morons. 

he is a very smart thinking footballer he will mature with age as he is only 21.

[layzie 33,281]

1 hour ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

He has reached a new level

A few years back many thought he was fringe. He barely played 2016 and missed a big chunk of 2020 (partly due to being a sacrificial lamb to AFL on sling tackle) and I think was then a year behind Tracc on development into their best

Now he's got 150 under the belt he's just continuing to improve, uses his work rate and now his disposal is elite 24 at 75% with 23 PA

Loving it ❤️ 💙 

It's hard to say for someone like Nibbler that he's fitter than he's ever been knowing the standard he sets but I genuinely think he's fitter than he's ever been.

[picket fence 16,798]

35 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Freedom of movement. My 75 year old father could outrun him today.

As I said, he looked better down back and took that great pack mark in the first quarter, but otherwise his movement and agility seemed severely hampered to me and others around us at the game.

As I said!! But yes he DID look better down back!

[binman 42,113]

30 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

We had a solid lead and they were kicking it back and forth to each other on our half forward line. We were literally just waiting for them to make an error and then slingshot on them. We didn't need to do anything else but defend. It was a very José Mourinho-like performance. 

Goody said they are 'always happy' to let teams switch and hold onto the ball. Has been a hallmark o his coaching.

Paraphrasing, its all about stopping them score.

And responding to what the oppo dish up tactically. Another hallmark of goody's coaching.

I said to mate leaving the ground that  once we got a decent lead they were happy for them to play kick to kick 80 metres from their goals.

They are not eating into the margin.

And we just wash from side to side which in addition to being bruise free, that sort of half pace running, with occasional sprint is way less taxing that running hard up and down the ground.

And if it's about percentage, keeping an oppo to under 40 points and winning by 55 is the way to build it.

 

[dazzledavey36 53,210]

9 minutes ago, Pates said:

After all the pain they inflicted on us for close to a decade, it's time to even the score. Imagine if May and Lever hadn't gone down, it could've been way worse for them.

How worse do you think it could get?

After May and Lever went down they only kicked 1 more goal for the match.

Herculean effort from our defence without both May and Lever.

[layzie 33,281]

1 minute ago, binman said:

Goody said they are 'always happy' to let teams switch and hold onto the ball. Has been a hallmark o his coaching.

Paraphrasing, its all about stopping them score.

And responding to what the oppo dish up tactically. Another hallmark of goody's coaching.

I said to mate leaving the ground that  once we got a decent lead they were happy for them to play kick to kick 80 metres from their goals.

They are not eating into the margin.

And we just wash from side to side which in addition to being bruise free, that sort of half pace running, with occasional sprint is way less taxing that running hard up and down the ground.

And if it's about percentage, keeping an oppo to under 40 points and winning by 55 is the way to build it.

 

Yep, we really aren't doing a lot of defensive running in that situation and we're staying fresh. 

Games and seasons are marathons not sprints, its all about timing your run in. I'm not about perfect 100 point drubbings or 5 star performances at this part of the season. 

[binman 42,113]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yep, we really aren't doing a lot of defensive running in that situation and we're staying fresh. 

Games and seasons are marathons not sprints, its all about timing your run in. I'm not about perfect 100 point drubbings or 5 star performances at this part of the season. 

Yep.

And in what world is a 9 goal win not a smashing?

 

[layzie 33,281]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

Yep.

And in what world is a 9 goal win not a smashing?

 

A 9 goal win and keeping opposition to under 40 is a smashing no matter where abouts in the season it happens!

[Demon Dynasty 17,108]

41 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

We had a solid lead and they were kicking it back and forth to each other on our half forward line. We were literally just waiting for them to make an error and then slingshot on them. We didn't need to do anything else but defend. It was a very José Mourinho-like performance. 

50 more disposals per goal than us today.  Must be some sort of record.  At one point they switched 4 consecutive times across HB.

Disposals per Goal

Hawks      Demons

  76.6           25.7  (last week 24.5)

Edited March 23 by Demon Dynasty

[titan_uranus 24,848]

9 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yep, we really aren't doing a lot of defensive running in that situation and we're staying fresh. 

Games and seasons are marathons not sprints, its all about timing your run in. I'm not about perfect 100 point drubbings or 5 star performances at this part of the season. 

Some MFC supporters started getting frustrated at our kick-mark play in the fourth.

I thought it was smart - we were down one on the bench and hadn't been able to give Brown or TMac any rest. Keeping the play a bit slower for a period made sense to me.

[sisso 2,569]

Never been less worried about a team getting more kicks and marks than us…Hawks just went sideways and backwards the whole match we were never in any danger

[layzie 33,281]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Some MFC supporters started getting frustrated at our kick-mark play in the fourth.

I thought it was smart - we were down one on the bench and hadn't been able to give Brown or TMac any rest. Keeping the play a bit slower for a period made sense to me.

Perfect sense, it's the manner of the performance that counts. We were always in control.

Play smart not silly 

[Demon Dynasty 17,108]

Just now, titan_uranus said:

Some MFC supporters started getting frustrated at our kick-mark play in the fourth.

I thought it was smart - we were down one on the bench and hadn't been able to give Brown or TMac any rest. Keeping the play a bit slower for a period made sense to me.

100%.  It's better than playing on at break neck only to hand the ball straight back and see the oppo get some cheapies in junk time.

We did this beautifully for much of the match against the Dogs and got the chockies.

I was hoping we would bring this for stages in the 2nd but we preferred to pick and roll more often which i thought played into the Hawk's game a bit.

[Brownie 5,920]

Just finished watching.

Ruthless footy. So good to see such variation going forward now. Just love it.

Petracca was just huge. That spoil and gut running to make it when the game was iced. True leadership and hunger. And he's havning fun!

Windsor is going to be a star for us.

Pickett is really finding his groove. invaluable

Clarry, How good was that kick off the side of his boot to a team meate on the wing while being crunched by two players in the third?

Sad to see May get crunched. Opprotnunity is there for Tommo to seize the day now. Surely they must bring him in.

Fritta, he got the goals but I still think he's a bit lazy with his defensive efforts.

JVR only got the one goal but I think he is going to be a massive forward for us. You can see his presence and cinfidence growing week to week now that our forward line is opening up. He's not a bad second ruck either.
He just keeps competing. He is taking a while but I still think he will be a Schwarta for us.

Commentators - The Wizard? Really? because he has a mullet or something? He kicked six behinds before getting a goal and still they pumped him up. Jeff Farmer, you must want to punch them. I do.
Can we get more race callers. Seriously. Huddo and Dwayne.

Free kicks, we lost the free kick count after slapping them most of the day. 9 goal win. Lost the free kick count 20 to 17.
Not that they'd try and even it up or anything.

Bring on Adelaide. Yeah baby

[DubDee 24,679]

55 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Jesus they are a young side and not littered with stars like the roos and are bog ordinary. 

littered with stars like the Roos? lol. they a few good players a bunch of highly rated kids. 

How are you not happy with a 55pt smashing? they scored 5 goals for the match and we lost our 2 best defenders.  They came with everything in the 2nd Q and we repelled them. 

[binman 42,113]

3 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Just finished watching.

Ruthless footy. So good to see such variation going forward now. Just love it.

Petracca was just huge. That spoil and gut running to make it when the game was iced. True leadership and hunger. And he's havning fun!

Windsor is going to be a star for us.

Pickett is really finding his groove. invaluable

Clarry, How good was that kick off the side of his boot to a team meate on the wing while being crunched by two players in the third?

Sad to see May get crunched. Opprotnunity is there for Tommo to seize the day now. Surely they must bring him in.

Fritta, he got the goals but I still think he's a bit lazy with his defensive efforts.

JVR only got the one goal but I think he is going to be a massive forward for us. You can see his presence and cinfidence growing week to week now that our forward line is opening up. He's not a bad second ruck either.
He just keeps competing. He is taking a while but I still think he will be a Schwarta for us.

Commentators - The Wizard? Really? because he has a mullet or something? He kicked six behinds before getting a goal and still they pumped him up. Jeff Farmer, you must want to punch them. I do.
Can we get more race callers. Seriously. Huddo and Dwayne.

Free kicks, we lost the free kick count after slapping them most of the day. 9 goal win. Lost the free kick count 20 to 17.
Not that they'd try and even it up or anything.

Bring on Adelaide. Yeah baby

Agree with all. 

With the possible exception of the assessment of fritter's defensive work.

I thought he was average defensively last week, but he got the melksham role on Sicily, a gough job, and limited his intercept marking

He also got up the ground to help out defensively and laid a couple of big tackles.

I'm about to watch the replay, having watched it live, so I'll keep an eye on fritter. 

[Brownie 5,920]

Just now, binman said:

Agree with all. 

With the possible exception of the assessment of fritter's defensive work.

I thought he was average defensively last week, but he got the melksham role on Sicily, a gough job, and limited his intercept marking

He also got up the ground to help out defensively and laid a couple of big tackles.

I'm about to watch the replay, having watched it live, so I'll keep an eye on fritter. 

I might be a bit harsh too. Just thought he jogged on a bit when most of the team just chased hard from start to finish. 

[layzie 33,281]

16 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

100%.  It's better than playing on at break neck only to hand the ball straight back and see the oppo get some cheapies in junk time.

We did this beautifully for much of the match against the Dogs and got the chockies.

I was hoping we would bring this for stages in the 2nd but we preferred to pick and roll more often which i thought played into the Hawk's game a bit.

I think being a suffocating team is when we look our best. It's part of the DNA.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,390]

Hawthorn are meat and veg (dry roast beef). 

[Brownie 5,920]

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hawthorn are meat and veg (dry roast beef). 

I thought they were poo and wee

[rjay 24,677]

16 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Opprotnunity is there for Tommo to seize the day now. Surely they must bring him in.

Not if Tommy Mac is playing in the back half...

[WalkingCivilWar 39,266]

We won, Collingwood and Essendon lost, and Carlton didn’t/won’t/can’t win. All in all that’s not too shabby 🥳

[layzie 33,281]

6 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I thought they were poo and wee

Damn straight 

[Beetle 4,554]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

The other takeaway that I thought was great to hear was they're getting back to having fun and enjoying the game again, I get the feeling that after '21 they sort of had a determination that was almost feeding back in as anxiety. There has been almost a fear of failure and I feel like like that has been on show with our two straight sets exits. The last two weeks they look like they're playing with a bit of freedom and enjoyment, yes there's still the determination to win and them working to a system, but it's back to remembering that it is a game. He said he's got the dream job, so why not enjoy it.

There are no expectations on us this year, with the heavy media emphasis on our “disastrous” off season…they are off us and we are no longer considered the hunted.

Can only be a good thing in my opinion. Hopefully we can continue to fly under the radar and just keep chalking up wins. Next two weeks are crucial, especially if we are without both May and Lever. I’ll be happy to walk away with 1 from 2 and sit 3-2 after round 5 (or 4 according to the AFL fixture).

Edited March 23 by Beetle