The 2023 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

[58er 6,681]

7 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Probably should pick the 1st best Victorian in the draft rather than a interstate player.

Theyre turning out to be more trouble than theyre worth. As soon as they become established players their home town clubs start sniffing around and hiding in trees outside his house tossing bags of sweets over the fence.

MFC should never deal with those slimey Crows and Flogmantle knobs.

 

Well fortunately JT and TL will completely disregard this expectedly overreaction as is posted always when a LJ effect is experienced. 

If we had taken your advice we wouldn’t have May Lever Rivers Kossie Nibbler Sparrow Harry P JVR Fullarton McAdam Lingers in our team and certainly no flag. Your posts would be why aren’t we choosing the best available as we are not making Finals etc. 

So it’s wise to be careful what you wish for with your wildly irrational responses to what the Club should do and don’t. 

I am sure from memory you are not a Victorian indeed may be living overseas so I suppose the Irish girls/guys are taboo as well!

[durango 2,023]

Some players who are from Tassie will to return to the Apple Isle just to be close to family and friends but others will not because the club will be a whipping boy like GWS, GC and the Bears.

[DeeZone 10,239]

Even though I know that my thoughts are irrelevant in the overall scheme of things I am stressing about handing O’Sullivan / Caddy to the opposition knowing that they could have been ours.lol.!!!

[DeeSpencer 26,091]

4 hours ago, Colm said:

I think the go home factor for Tassie lads will be greater than any other state. There will be enormous pressure on them to do so. Also great financial rewards and the AFL will create a clear pathway for them to do so. 
I listened to a couple of interviews Sanders has given. He comes across very well and a great professional. He’s father is massively involved in grass roots footy here in TAS. 
I think his flight risk is greater than other players for these reasons. 
Now we may get handsomely compensated if he does choose to go home but that’s not clear yet either. 

Is a kid originally from Launceston with all his school mates and Sandy Dragons mates in Melbourne really going to be significantly more likely to move to Hobart than any other player?

Id say the odds are in favour of him staying.

Same goes for Curtin.

I’d only overlook guys who don’t want to move to begin with. Sanders isn’t even moving!

[buck_nekkid 6,054]

We may lose a player to ‘home’, but there would be compo or trade value in the move.  We should be able to cover any I player, and the capital return could even be positive for us.

[ChaserJ 5,169]

7 hours ago, Colm said:

I think the go home factor for Tassie lads will be greater than any other state. There will be enormous pressure on them to do so. Also great financial rewards and the AFL will create a clear pathway for them to do so. 
I listened to a couple of interviews Sanders has given. He comes across very well and a great professional. He’s father is massively involved in grass roots footy here in TAS. 
I think his flight risk is greater than other players for these reasons. 
Now we may get handsomely compensated if he does choose to go home but that’s not clear yet either. 

Was recently chatting to a former Tassie premier about the team and its prospects.

They said that the team was effectively no chance to be in place on current timelines. Horrible contracts for Tas government re: stadium build (unviable based on current contract) and ongoing fees to AFL, not enough fed money, variable support from sections of the public who believe the money could be spent elsewhere and only vague backing from the AFL (unlike the northern franchises) who want to look like they are supporting a Tassie team. The opposition (who are the same colour as the fed government that provided funding) have said they will scrap plans and will only go ahead with establishment if contracts are renegotiated.

The path ahead is littered with significant obstacles. I don't think we should be tailoring our recruiting based on the framework of the plan for commencing establishment of a Tassie team sometime in the future.

Edited October 22, 2023 by ChaserJ

[Palace Dees 2,352]

15 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

We may lose a player to ‘home’, but there would be compo or trade value in the move.  We should be able to cover any I player, and the capital return could even be positive for us.

Let me say up front,  I'd be very happy to get either Sanders or Curtin in this draft. But history tells us the main reason a first 22 players leaves is the 'go home' factor. You see it every year. It is definitely a higher risk. If we were to be 'well compensated' by the AFL when it happens, it means we finished near bottom that year. Clubs rarely get true trade value when dealing with each other in these cases. 

This factor is the only reason WCE are open to letting the #1 pick go. It's also why I hope we can get it. I wouldn't want to give up 3 × Ist rounders for Reid if he wasn't Victorian. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,619]

JT & Co. won't be picking for any specific need I don't believe, as we don't really have a specific need right at this very moment.

They will follow the Keep It Simple Stupid mantra and take best available, based on where they rank players.

We also won't be swayed by the 'go home' factor, as we have seen time and time again and rightly so. If you aren't backing in your system and club to hold these players then you may as well just give up now. Not saying all will stay, but if you hold on to the majority then it's still a win.

 

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

Can someone please give a summary on Melbourne?

 

[Clintosaurus 7,913]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can someone please give a summary on Melbourne?

 

Sanders/Caddy at 6 and Murphy/Darcy Wilson at 11.

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

3 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Sanders/Caddy at 6 and Murphy/Darcy Wilson at 11.

Sander and Wilson would be our dream scenario. 

[Fat Tony 5,291]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can someone please give a summary on Melbourne?

 

MELBOURNE

Draft picks after trade period: 6, 11, 42, 93

Melbourne has moved their pick 14 to pick 11 during the trade period, giving the club two of the first dozen selections heading into November. The club is considering making a play for pick 1, having shown interest in Harley Reid. However, other clubs are better placed to twist West Coast's arm. If it holds pick 6, Melbourne could consider mid-sized marking forward Nate Caddy, gun onballer Ryley Sanders, hard-running wingman Darcy Wilson, and key defender Ollie Murphy. The Demons also have access to father-son Kynan Brown, a potential late selection.

[Pennant St Dee 13,324]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Sander and Wilson would be our dream scenario. 

If that were the case I’d take Sanders at 6 and see if we got lucky with one club taking a Smokey and possibly O’Sullivan being there at 11.

Unlikely but you never know

[Ouch! 2,268]

On 22/10/2023 at 08:59, Lord Travis said:

Trac, Clarry, Viney and Bradshaw are all getting on now, and there's no next wave of elite midfield talent behind them. 

Tracc and Gus are 27. Oliver 26, Hardly 'getting on'  ;)

But I do agree that we need to be ensuring depth behind these guys, and other than Sparrow (and maybe Rivers), we do need to have the next crop coming through. 

[Damo 3,407]

I hope that "Best Available" holds on against over-thinking and projecting. 

[Nascent 9,299]

"The Kangaroos could be the busiest, with North expected to use five or six selections, while the Cats, Saints and Eagles are all likely to use four or five picks."

"The ability to trade selections will impact some plans, but Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide are all likely to decide between having two and three draft choices."

 

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,619]

1 hour ago, Ouch! said:

Tracc and Gus are 27. Oliver 26, Hardly 'getting on'  ;)

But I do agree that we need to be ensuring depth behind these guys, and other than Sparrow (and maybe Rivers), we do need to have the next crop coming through. 

It's funny I hear people mention our players getting on and I think out of the top 4-5 teams this year we had a pretty decent amount under 30.

Pies had Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Crisp, Howe, Cox, Hoskin-Elliott & Jamie Elliott all 30+.

In our team v Collingwood we had May, Gawn, Tom McDonald & Hibberd.

 

[Older demon 2,796]

Up till now, Lamb has stated that we will go to the draft with 2 picks. However with the delisting today of Kye Turner one has to ask  "Has there been a change in plan"?

Under the 2-pick strategy we trade 2, 11 and something for 1 or 3 and use 42 for Brown giving 2 selections. Is this a signal that now we will go with 6, 11 and 42 adding 3 to the list?

[biggestred 5,193]

11 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

It's funny I hear people mention our players getting on and I think out of the top 4-5 teams this year we had a pretty decent amount under 30.

Pies had Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Crisp, Howe, Cox, Hoskin-Elliott & Jamie Elliott all 30+.

In our team v Collingwood we had May, Gawn, Tom McDonald & Hibberd.

 

averages for the QF

collingwood: 28yr 1 month, 150.2 games

melbourne: 26yr 5 months. 124.7 games

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10962
 

[Colm 2,188]

37 minutes ago, Nascent said:

"The Kangaroos could be the busiest, with North expected to use five or six selections, while the Cats, Saints and Eagles are all likely to use four or five picks."

"The ability to trade selections will impact some plans, but Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide are all likely to decide between having two and three draft choices."

 

 

Cats pick 8 will probably need to be traded out if they are hoping to pick 4/5 picks. If we can’t move up from 6 wonder will we try to improve from 11 to 8. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,619]

21 minutes ago, biggestred said:

averages for the QF

collingwood: 28yr 1 month, 150.2 games

melbourne: 26yr 5 months. 124.7 games

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=10962
 

Plus if Petty was fit we are probably even younger as TMac is out.

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27 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Up till now, Lamb has stated that we will go to the draft with 2 picks. However with the delisting today of Kye Turner one has to ask  "Has there been a change in plan"?

Under the 2-pick strategy we trade 2, 11 and something for 1 or 3 and use 42 for Brown giving 2 selections. Is this a signal that now we will go with 6, 11 and 42 adding 3 to the list?

Once Gold Coast select all their academy players, plus Hawks and Dogs take their F/S options pick 42 may come into a pick in the mid 30s. You would think that may interest Geelong if they want to be taking multiple players at the draft.

They currently have picks 8, 25, 76, 87 & 94.

 

[Dannyz 2,917]

34 minutes ago, Older demon said:

Up till now, Lamb has stated that we will go to the draft with 2 picks. However with the delisting today of Kye Turner one has to ask  "Has there been a change in plan"?

Under the 2-pick strategy we trade 2, 11 and something for 1 or 3 and use 42 for Brown giving 2 selections. Is this a signal that now we will go with 6, 11 and 42 adding 3 to the list?

AMW

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,619]

7 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

AMW

I believe he will stay on the Cat B rookie list another year.

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3 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I believe he will stay on the Cat B rookie list another year.

Agree, we allowed 3 Cat B rookies, so maybe Orlando Turner to come in ?