Midfield ?

[58er 5,619]

16 hours ago, SPC said:

Gus is not the answer to our problems- he is not dynamic. Like others I think Rivers needs more midfield time, especially now that Salem is back. Bowey, Sparrow and Koz are our best 3rd rotation option. I don’t like Viney and Oliver in the same centre square setup. 
We will certainly need to improve in this area in the draft. Need 2 taller, inside/outside mids with pace and ball use. We could have addressed this in the 2021 draft, but went a bit smaller in Bowey and Laurie (Bowey is a find, but more half back). They are not the right size for extended clearance minutes.

Bevo  has switched Caleb Daniels to midfield nearly BOG agsin in last 2 rounds.

Size never stops sports people unless it's a complete mismatch but it's generally ability that restricts ones output. 

[Redlagged 806]

On 5/19/2023 at 11:47 PM, dee-tox said:

I want a six foot two, hard running guy with outside skills that can complement Oliver, Viney and Tracc.

We don't have enough classy users on the outside. Sparrow, Jordon, ANB, Rivers, Brayshaw, etc don't do it for me. Kozzie has potential but can't get the pill

On the money. The team overall is a touch dour.

[loges 6,114]

21 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Don't think Tracc had a CBA in the first half. He was the catalyst for our 3rd qtr run though in the middle

It has bothered me for some time that Clarry spends way too much time wrestling with opponents at the Centre bounces. Great player that I love to watch but its a part of his game that frustrates the hell out of me 

Been thinking about this for a while now, with the opposition likely trying to block/ tag 1 or 2 of our players at centre bounce standing there wrestling with them just make it so easy for them, why don't they get on the move and move to the position they want just as the hit out is occurring, playing into their hands just standing and wrestling even if they're first to the ball they get tackled straight away.

[layzie 29,087]

No excuses but a 6 day break followed by travel and a wet night can't be easy running. 

[Roost it far 6,235]

Did anyone see the vision of how Collingwood form lines when they have the ball, meaning players always know where a teammate is likely to be. Reminds me of the Hawks back when they dominated in the 80's. Not actually that hard to counter if we're on the ball.

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,484]

56 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Did anyone see the vision of how Collingwood form lines when they have the ball, meaning players always know where a teammate is likely to be. Reminds me of the Hawks back when they dominated in the 80's. Not actually that hard to counter if we're on the ball.

You had me at Collingwood and lines

[Demon Disciple 11,035]

Goody’s key pillars of contest and defence are failing miserably this year.

Getting killed in clearances and all at sea when defending. This is 100% an attitude problem from both the playing and coaching group. Are they too proud to admit it to themselves? Or simply too arrogant to believe that it simply is not the case?

Thankfully we still have time to right the ship, because this isn’t something that can simply be turned on like a light switch.  A team like ours needs belief, confidence and momentum for it to be sustained.

The positive is that we are 7-3 and havent really got going yet. The negative is that we are 10 rounds in and have yet to get going.

Edited May 22, 2023 by Demon Disciple

[Gawndy the Great 7,533]

4 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Goody’s key pillars of contest and defence are failing miserably this year.

Getting killed in clearances and all at sea when defending. This is 100% an attitude problem from both the playing and coaching group. Are they too proud to admit it to themselves? Or simply too arrogant to believe that it simply is not the case?

Thankfully we still have time to right the ship, because this isn’t something that can simply be turned on like a light switch.  A team like ours needs belief, confidence and momentum for it to be sustained.

The positive is that we are 7-3 and havent really got going yet. The negative is that we are 10 rounds in and have yet to get going.

If it’s attitude, it’s not an immediate fix, this stuff is ingrained and built up over time so that you don’t flinch at the slightest hiccup. 

We wilted when Port responded in Q4.

 

[layzie 29,087]

11 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

If it’s attitude, it’s not an immediate fix, this stuff is ingrained and built up over time so that you don’t flinch at the slightest hiccup. 

We wilted when Port responded in Q4.

 

I just thought of something, we've been super accurate this year and it's been great to watch.

However at this point of the season, would people have preferred us to be like the previous few years of inaccuracy in front of goal but a consistent level of intensity/effort OR be generally accurate in front of goal but put out those 3 honker performances and times where it has looked like we've picked when to go. 

No right or wrong answer and probably a silly question but just a little Tuesday morning brain candy. 

[adonski 9,173]

We need to trial 

Rivers (explosive)

Salem (class and composure)

& Bowey (class & speed) through the midfield 

NFI if it'll actually work, but the mids we have after the big three aren't good enough and lack any point of difference 

[layzie 29,087]

Just now, adonski said:

We need to trial 

Rivers (explosive)

Salem (class and composure)

& Bowey (class & speed) through the midfield 

NFI if it'll actually work, but the mids we have after the big three aren't good enough and lack any point of difference 

I'd be happy to see even run of those run through there this week. Need a new edge. 

[Neil Crompton 4,809]

Strange to say, but I think Oliver’s injury should see a much more dynamic and proactive Sparrow in the mid. I think he tends to hold back to allow Oliver to do his thing, so I think more responsibility at the clearances will likely see his game evolve.

[Dannyz 2,321]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

We need to trial 

Rivers (explosive)

Salem (class and composure)

& Bowey (class & speed) through the midfield 

NFI if it'll actually work, but the mids we have after the big three aren't good enough and lack any point of difference 

Rivers is a decent shout but actual centre square craft takes a long time to learn. 

Personally I'd be more comfortable with Harmes, Dunstan (in a week or two) and Jordon covering the gap. 

[Demon Dynasty 15,627]

48 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

Rivers is a decent shout but actual centre square craft takes a long time to learn. 

Personally I'd be more comfortable with Harmes, Dunstan (in a week or two) and Jordon covering the gap. 

Like to 2nd that

CBAs will be the more difficult aspect to cover with Clarry out.  We don't have another obvious *bull/extractor who'll give us first us bar Dunstan unless he's over his injury which seems unlikely.

*The others being mooted are all triers but not really near the level and/or more inside/outside types.

Around the ground ball ups should be fine assuming our set ups and ruck/on baller cohesion at ball ups are adjusted vs Sat night and those asked to do the job really step things up.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Gawndy the Great 7,533]

16 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Like to 2nd that

CBAs will be the more difficult aspect to cover with Clarry out.  We don't have another obvious *bull/extractor who'll give us first us bar Dunstan unless he's over his injury which seems unlikely.

*The others being mooted are all triers but not really near the level and/or more inside/outside types.

Around the ground ball ups should be fine assuming our set ups and ruck/on baller cohesion at ball ups are adjusted vs Sat night and those asked to do the job really step things up.

Well we have been getting beaten at CBA of late so don’t see why cannot try a few new things out. 

[Tony Tea 2,792]

Collingwood's tactics can be summed up by the old military maxim: get there first with the most.

[Binmans PA 26,261]

11 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Collingwood's tactics can be summed up by the old military maxim: get there first with the most.

Melbourne supporters would call it bees to the honey pot...

Edited May 23, 2023 by A F

[Demon Dynasty 15,627]

2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Well we have been getting beaten at CBA of late so don’t see why cannot try a few new things out. 

Yes hence why i seconded the Rivers idea although i don't see him as a direct replacement for Clarry as such.  More just to see what he might add at CBs.

Would love to see Dunstan get a run for Clarry over a short block to see where he's at.

Not saying he's the answer either but imv he's the closest bull / extractor we've got (to Clarry/Viney) and one of the best distributors by hand at the club with VG vision in traffic (sees things out wide and goes there more often than some of the other insiders like Clarry, Viney, Sparrow & JJ).

Might bring the likes of Lingers/Hunter into play a little more often, changing lanes & giving the forwards a few extra decent looks vs our usual straight ahead bang it in style which is a bit predictable & fairly easy to defend.

Not sure how he'd go outside of CB with kicking etc. but worth trialling while Clarry is out.

If we give him a block of games now so he can get up to speed/demand of AFL level again, find some confidence there.

Better now than last minute late in the season if one of Viney or Clarry happened to go down.

Of course all that would be outcomes based.  He might also flop badly.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

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On 5/21/2023 at 7:18 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

But but the sacrifice running??? 

He played at Casey yesterday mate lol......

Lol