When their is smoke their is fire.

Where's the smoke?

We havent seen any yet. If Pickett hasnt signed before R1 then you can throw the fire alarm.

Unlikely he'll find premiership success anytime soon at Freo or Port which are apparently his so called clubs of interest.

 

The only smoke so far has been from Kane Cornes and I'm very suspicious about what it is he is actually smoking.

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok then, let’s just give up and lose every week. 
WINNING is the BEST CHANCE we have to retain our A Grade Players. 
I am not really phased if you disagree

Strangely emotional reaction to a normal discussion.

I didn't say winning was unimportant, I just said it was less important than other factors. As I said this has been proven over many examples over a long period of time, across all sports. Jackson couldn't have had a more 'winning' start to his career with the MFC, in terms of games or individual success (RS). Ultimately, that success appeared unimportant to his retention, and potentially even tipped the scales the other way insofar as him not having any 'unfinished business' with the MFC. 

I am also equally unphased with whatever it is you think. Its interesting that in this day & age there are still supporters who think that winning will solve everything.

The majority of players aren't as invested in the fabric of the club as you think they are, and are nowhere near as invested as you are. It serves them well to view it as only a job, and one they can do in 18 places around the country for similiar or better pay whilst playing in the same position, against the same opposition, flying round to the same stadiums and staying in the same hotels. If they can do all of that then with the (more important) factors taken care of like family and lifestyle, this is what will drive most decisions. All players are different though, and success will be more important to some than others. 

Most will say success is a factor usually for favourable optics for their new team ('I really believe this list can have success') but the evidence does not support the claims. 

There is little to differentiate the club's themselves, especially for middling teams like us in terms of prominence and size. We don't have the pull of Richmond or Collingwood and we don't have the lifestyle benefits of Geelong, Brisbane or Perth. 

Success is momentary and transient - at best it can last 3-5 years, on average it lasts 1-3, if you even get there at all. For players looking at a 10-15 year career, they know that all clubs will have both ups and downs and they'll be there for them all.

Kossie would know that he's currently at a successful and very well run club. He'd be well aware of what he'd be leaving behind, because he himself has been a key part of driving it. Port are hardly a cellar dweller in any case. 

If he leaves, it will have nothing to do with success.  

2 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Strangely emotional reaction to a normal discussion.

I didn't say winning was unimportant, I just said it was less important than other factors. As I said this has been proven over many examples over a long period of time, across all sports. Jackson couldn't have had a more 'winning' start to his career with the MFC, in terms of games or individual success (RS). Ultimately, that success appeared unimportant to his retention, and potentially even tipped the scales the other way insofar as him not having any 'unfinished business' with the MFC. 

I am also equally unphased with whatever it is you think. Its interesting that in this day & age there are still supporters who think that winning will solve everything.

The majority of players aren't as invested in the fabric of the club as you think they are, and are nowhere near as invested as you are. It serves them well to view it as only a job, and one they can do in 18 places around the country for similiar or better pay whilst playing in the same position, against the same opposition, flying round to the same stadiums and staying in the same hotels. If they can do all of that then with the (more important) factors taken care of like family and lifestyle, this is what will drive most decisions. All players are different though, and success will be more important to some than others. 

Most will say success is a factor usually for favourable optics for their new team ('I really believe this list can have success') but the evidence does not support the claims. 

There is little to differentiate the club's themselves, especially for middling teams like us in terms of prominence and size. We don't have the pull of Richmond or Collingwood and we don't have the lifestyle benefits of Geelong, Brisbane or Perth. 

Success is momentary and transient - at best it can last 3-5 years, on average it lasts 1-3, if you even get there at all. For players looking at a 10-15 year career, they know that all clubs will have both ups and downs and they'll be there for them all.

Kossie would know that he's currently at a successful and very well run club. He'd be well aware of what he'd be leaving behind, because he himself has been a key part of driving it. Port are hardly a cellar dweller in any case. 

If he leaves, it will have nothing to do with success.  

100% agree with this.

Players of today are completely different breed to what it was 10 or so years ago.

Kozzie leaving will be based around family support and lifestyle. 

10 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Strangely emotional reaction to a normal discussion.

I didn't say winning was unimportant, I just said it was less important than other factors. As I said this has been proven over many examples over a long period of time, across all sports. Jackson couldn't have had a more 'winning' start to his career with the MFC, in terms of games or individual success (RS). Ultimately, that success appeared unimportant to his retention, and potentially even tipped the scales the other way insofar as him not having any 'unfinished business' with the MFC. 

I am also equally unphased with whatever it is you think. Its interesting that in this day & age there are still supporters who think that winning will solve everything.

The majority of players aren't as invested in the fabric of the club as you think they are, and are nowhere near as invested as you are. It serves them well to view it as only a job, and one they can do in 18 places around the country for similiar or better pay whilst playing in the same position, against the same opposition, flying round to the same stadiums and staying in the same hotels. If they can do all of that then with the (more important) factors taken care of like family and lifestyle, this is what will drive most decisions. All players are different though, and success will be more important to some than others. 

Most will say success is a factor usually for favourable optics for their new team ('I really believe this list can have success') but the evidence does not support the claims. 

There is little to differentiate the club's themselves, especially for middling teams like us in terms of prominence and size. We don't have the pull of Richmond or Collingwood and we don't have the lifestyle benefits of Geelong, Brisbane or Perth. 

Success is momentary and transient - at best it can last 3-5 years, on average it lasts 1-3, if you even get there at all. For players looking at a 10-15 year career, they know that all clubs will have both ups and downs and they'll be there for them all.

Kossie would know that he's currently at a successful and very well run club. He'd be well aware of what he'd be leaving behind, because he himself has been a key part of driving it. Port are hardly a cellar dweller in any case. 

If he leaves, it will have nothing to do with success.  

If he stays it will have a lot to do with Success. 
 

 

You have already given up

FR_AP.  jeezuz  thats a very long and depressing post. Not so sure about Coll and Rich having major drawing power......Grundy responds., "hold my beer!"

Geelong has it all of course. There will be another Geelong Grammar star lured back home to the cattery from Perth soon. Serong?  i think from memory.

If Pickett doesnt like living in the big smoke then go and live down at sleepy hollow. Not too far to drive 5 times a week or so.

Edited December 28, 20222 yr by Deebauched

I was quite impartial when Jackson left, maybe slightly disappointed but not overly. I’d be devastated if we lost Kozzie. 

I hope he stays with us if for no other reason than for the little kids in the Alice. A legion of adoring Kozzie fans who look forward to this match for months out every season. (Him kicking six this season was merely the icing on an already delicious cake for these kids.) And the feeling is reciprocated in full. By all accounts Kozzie is in his absolute element when playing there.

 I realise that more than one ’enticement’ factors into a player’s decision to stay or go. In Kozzie’s case, I just hope this is one of them. 

33 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Unlikely he'll find premiership success anytime soon at Freo or Port which are apparently his so called clubs of interest.

16 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

If he stays it will have a lot to do with Success. 
 

 

You have already given up

I'm inclined to agree more with @dazzledavey36 that it will be more down to the family / lifestyle propersion for Kozzie.  How much he's settled in Melbourne and at the MFC and regards that as his new home and place of comfort / support will factor more than sucess for him IMHO.  (BTW Dazzle, not sure where you found the amusement in my earlier post.  Not offended, it just bemuses me).

One thing with wining the flag in 2021 so early in their careers is that guys like Kozzie and Dogga had it come to them realitively easily, can considered that achievement checked off the list and may consider they have plenty of time to build into a sucessful team at another club where they can do so around established family and freinds.  I also can't see Port being down for that long.

40 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

There is little to differentiate the club's themselves, especially for middling teams like us in terms of prominence and size. We don't have the pull of Richmond or Collingwood and we don't have the lifestyle benefits of Geelong, Brisbane or Perth. 

Mostly agree with your broader post fr.  However from my own corporate experience of having worked in several companies, I would say that organisational / team culture does impact significantly on how I'd differentiate.  Hopefully Kozzie's manager is awake to this.

Not sure clubs like Hawthorn or North or Essendon would be particularly attractive options at the moment based on organizational culture.  Conversely the players often talk highly favorably of the culture built by Roos/Goodwin and of the positive relationship they have with Goodie.  I know there was rumors of disquiet just prior to season 2021 and without being a true insider, I'm not sure where the truth lies, but if the club / team culture at the MFC is strong and imparts a good sense of belonging for Kozzie, I think that would be an important factor he'd consider.

14 hours ago, DeeZone said:

I can’t see Kozzie leaving MFC, he couldn’t generate any more love than he receives at the Dee’s. He is surrounded by players that love and respect him and I want to see him play in at least three Premierships for MFC. Where else could he do that.!!!!!

Teams with plenty of salary cap room will come calling and we won't be able to match

3 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I get the impression that Kozzie is quite a different personality to Dogga. 

Doggas a different personality to everyone.

56 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'm inclined to agree more with @dazzledavey36 that it will be more down to the family / lifestyle propersion for Kozzie.  How much he's settled in Melbourne and at the MFC and regards that as his new home and place of comfort / support will factor more than sucess for him IMHO.  (BTW Dazzle, not sure where you found the amusement in my earlier post.  Not offended, it just bemuses me).

One thing with wining the flag in 2021 so early in their careers is that guys like Kozzie and Dogga had it come to them realitively easily, can considered that achievement checked off the list and may consider they have plenty of time to build into a sucessful team at another club where they can do so around established family and freinds.  I also can't see Port being down for that long.

Not sure either, definitely meant to be a 👍

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok then, let’s just give up and lose every week. 
WINNING is the BEST CHANCE we have to retain our A Grade Players. 
I am not really phased if you disagree 

Single or three?

So im guessing we will have another 9 months of this, I think the total posts could break the Jackson thread.

But would be devistated if we lost him.

Does anybody know if his girlfriend is from Melbourne and will hopefully stay here?  Might mean Kozzie has one more reason not to leave us!

Why do people think he would leave?

After May, Clarry, Trac

he is the next player we can’t afford to lose 

7 hours ago, Demonstone said:

The only smoke so far has been from Kane Cornes and I'm very suspicious about what it is he is actually smoking.

I'm thinking the stringy bit you peel off a banana

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Why do people think he would leave?

21 year old who moved interstate for work at 18, lost his Mum and his family are all in other states with his strongest connection in SA. Hasn't re-signed yet and despite the club saying he loves Melbourne I haven't as yet seen anything mentioned about talks progressing (might have missed that somewhere though).

Not saying he will go, personally I think he'll stay, but add the above to the rumblings of media types with Port connections and you can understand why supporters are a little worried and think it's a chance.

10 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

 

This was my thought upon seeing the thread title haha. Still one of the great bands.

6 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Doggas a different personality to everyone.

LJ went home for 3 reasons:

1. He was offered a fortune on a long term contract,

2. That offer was back home with the club he and his family supported,

3. There were family issues and he was needed to be back home with them.

Given the same scenario, most would do the same. 

Edited December 28, 20222 yr by Redleg

1 hour ago, A F said:

This was my thought upon seeing the thread title haha. Still one of the great bands.

Let’s just hope it doesn’t end with ‘Heaven knows I’m miserable now’.

We didn't want Jackson as soon as we knew we were going to get Grundy it was a done deal halfway through the year. Pickett is different we don't have a replacement for him for a start. He's a country player not a city player like Jackson the lure of going home is not that great compared to a city player as has already been mentioned if there was a country WA team in the AFL he would go there but there isn't so we will be fine Kossie will stay.