6 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Firstly that discussion should be had behind closed doors 

Secondly, it takes nothing away from the fact that he’s missed two months of football with a reported regulation hamstring. 

Took the words right out of my mouth, just adding fuel to the fire having a heated discussion in front of prying eyes.

9 minutes ago, RedFox said:

Sent for more scans 🥹 this is so frustrating! 

Scheisse

31 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Dazz is correct as he almost always is. As iterated somewhere else and as an Ex Phys Eder, I can say.. To allow someone to run 3 days after a  Hammy is LUDICROUS! 

As i understand its his first ever hammy also, shocking practice.

1 week should have been complete rest with a 15 mins walk in day 5, then go from there.

This is amazing from our high performance department.

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

24 minutes ago, RedFox said:

Sent for more scans 🥹 this is so frustrating! 

Is this for real?

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2023-clayton-oliver-training-argument-with-melbourne-demons-trainer-video/e7f8356c-f85f-4a42-b497-b861cf3aab96

Haven't seen this on the site yet so if it's already been addressed, please delete.

This quote in the story is confusing to me:

'According to 9News Melbourne, the argument between the pair came about after Griffiths asked Oliver to complete sprints at a certain speed, speeds which the premiership star argued he would never reach in a match'

Can someone clarryfy (sorry) what 'he would never reach in a match' means?

As in is he saying he is being asked to run at a speed he can't reach, or is he saying he doesn't run at his absolute full speeds in a match?

Could Imagine Clarry is pretty bloody annoyed that his 2-3 week injury is extending further and further.

 

30 minutes ago, RedFox said:

Sent for more scans 🥹 this is so frustrating! 

Obviously the situation is complicated, and possibly because it seems like Clayton has been historically fortunate with soft tissue injuries. He clearly didn’t realise what had happened, which makes it very difficult for the club staff to initially know what they are dealing with. You can only treat what you know.

It’s obviously not a traditional presentation, and he’s obviously not a traditional athlete.

Its entirely possible that everyone was just doing the best they could, and yet the result still sucks.

You’ve gotta climb a little bit higher before you return to comfortably sleep low. 
 

That’s my high altitude mountain climbing analogy. 

1 minute ago, McQueen said:

You’ve gotta climb a little bit higher before you return to comfortably sleep low. 
 

That’s my high altitude mountain climbing analogy. 

Great analogy...was exactly what we did in Nepal...  

Clarry might not like it but those jets need testing before use.. 

He's paid to play footy... The fitness gurus are paid to get them there.  Method in the madness ;)

Several videos and much discussion of this in the 'Injury' thread and in the 'Pregame' thread.

Merge with one of those...

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by Lucifers Hero

2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Several videos and much discussion of this in the 'Injury' thread and in the 'Pregame' thread.

Merge with one of those...

Ah shoot, yeah I didn't think of those threads as I'm dumb.

6 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Ah shoot, yeah I didn't think of those threads as I'm dumb.

Hey, you weren't to know it was elsewhere...lots of water under the bridge in those threads today so the videos are a fair way back in the threads.

It was good you put up the article just in case.

30 minutes ago, McQueen said:

You’ve gotta climb a little bit higher before you return to comfortably sleep low. 
 

That’s my high altitude mountain climbing analogy. 

His got altitude sickness & l thought he had a hamstring 😉

Non issue. Hammy would be fine anyway. It’s probably not a heated exchange about a hammy. Bartel nailed it. I’d like Bartel at Melbourne. Can coach tomorrow if it were up to me.

just a little bit of clarry-fication would be welcome ... please

5 hours ago, DubDee said:

can everyone else speculating and guessing with no medical background please refer to this excellent post

But the post you refer to also speculates ....🤔

On the lighter side…

😁

4 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

But the post you refer to also speculates ....🤔

zero speculation in that post. just a medical professional giving their opinion with clear disclaimers - eg in my view eg for minor hammies the following is expected 

this is what we should want on this site. folks with experience sharing it. 

1 hour ago, RedFox said:

Sent for more scans 🥹 this is so frustrating! 

So some running drills locked in for Monday then

Christ another media beat up and people fall for it, he will play when he is right to go, the club won't risk it for long term gain end of conversion. 

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

There is something very wrong here.

The only thing I can think of is, it has something to do with the infection, as apparently the initial strain was a mild one.

Apparently nobody thinks lying in a hospital bed for 5 days would have his hamstring tighten up. Some mornings I wake up (thankfully) and need to walk around for 20 mins to get everything working. I cannot imagine how I would be after 5 days in bed. When Clayton was put in hospital for 5 days I immediately thought it would add at least 4 weeks to his return as he would have to stop his rehab program and start again.

4 hours ago, picket fence said:

Dazz is correct as he almost always is. As iterated somewhere else and as an Ex Phys Eder, I can say.. To allow someone to run 3 days after a  Hammy is LUDICROUS! 

Maysie says hi.

Oh, and I hope this isn't inappropriate but I'm starting to think you and Dazzle need to get a room.

12 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Obviously the situation is complicated, and possibly because it seems like Clayton has been historically fortunate with soft tissue injuries. He clearly didn’t realise what had happened, which makes it very difficult for the club staff to initially know what they are dealing with. You can only treat what you know.

It’s obviously not a traditional presentation, and he’s obviously not a traditional athlete.

Its entirely possible that everyone was just doing the best they could, and yet the result still sucks.

Not sure about this, scans today should conclusively ascertain the degree of damage (Grade) which then sets the process and precedents of Rehab. We may not see him now for weeks, maybe months!

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by picket fence

I don't really care about the optics of the argument between Oliver and the fitness guy. I only care about Oliver getting back ASAP. If he misses too many more I am concerned we're going to slip out of the 8...and this whole era that was nicely building 2 years ago will continue to waste away.