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Saints Sack Ratten & Appoint Lyon as Coach

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10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

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Those damn pesky kids that Ross won’t play that did him in.

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    If it’s Ross Lyon watch them try and keep teams to less than 40 points every week by flooding back and moving the ball slowly.

    Ugh. And then watch him get annoyed in the post match interview because a journalist dares to question their game plan and how dull it is.

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    1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

    I think the 6 month max payout is for AFL assisted clubs.

    The whole joint should be in the NDIS program.

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    40 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

    If it’s Ross Lyon watch them try and keep teams to less than 40 points every week by flooding back and moving the ball slowly.

    Ugh. And then watch him get annoyed in the post match interview because a journalist dares to question their game plan and how dull it is.

    Has Lyon actually coached since the introduction of 6-6-6?  May find it a lot harder do make it all quite so dull. 

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    18 minutes ago, monoccular said:

    Has Lyon actually coached since the introduction of 6-6-6?  May find it a lot harder do make it all quite so dull. 

    The only upside I can see if Lyon gets the job is that he no longer would be part of the Footy Classified show.  Geez, he used to [censored] on at times. 

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    Would have been sacked r5 if it wasn't for Paddy Ryder, he was the band-aid holding their whole game plan together. Saints never looked likely without Paddy, and they really got dudded on Dan Hannenbery. 

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    12 hours ago, binman said:

    My gut feeling it is one of three things (in order of probability).

    1. Applying the Occam's razor principle, complete incompetence is probably the most likely.

     

     

    Stop there, nailed it!

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    6 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

    If it’s Ross Lyon watch them try and keep teams to less than 40 points every week by flooding back and moving the ball slowly.

    Ugh. And then watch him get annoyed in the post match interview because a journalist dares to question their game plan and how dull it is.

    One unlucky bounce to Stevie Miln is all that stands between Lyons and Goodwins Premiership record.

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    Will this club ever learn??? If they wanted an example of not taking shortcuts or knee jerk reactions, having good people and building strong foundations with strong development & culture, the Dees are a great example from going around in circles to getting it right and winning a flag 

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    20 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Quote:  "Had doubts, didn't communicate them as they re-signed him and then asked him to present a case"

     

    19 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Quote:  "Fancy having a freshly-minted two-year contract then having to desperately pitch for your job."

     

    12 hours ago, Demonland said:

     

    Quote:  "...club leadership that admitted you weren’t given the best chance to succeed and subsequently made you plead for your job…"

     

    So they decide to sack him having effectively recruited his replacement.  They let the man believe he had a chance when he didn't and they knew it.  They still made him beg for his job.  Then hit him for six.

    Why would they put a good man who gave his all through that sort of torment.  The least they could have done was give him a heads up after the season ended or when Bassat came back from the cruise on Lindsay Fox's boat when it seems they hatched their plan.

    No, they chose to blindside him.  And put him through a public humiliation.  Disgraceful!

    It is good to see those media tweets pointing the finger where it belongs:  Lethlean and Bassat!!

    I mentioned at the start of this thread that Lethlean had a lot to answer for.  Well Bassat also does.  The Saints deserve better leadership than they have provided.  Both should go.

    I so feel for Ratten.  He has been through so much in his coaching and personal life.  He deserved much, much better.  Not the least, some humanity and care.

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    4 hours ago, IRW said:

    One unlucky bounce to Stevie Miln is all that stands between Lyons and Goodwins Premiership record.

    Well, that’s a little simplistic. Lyon’s coached 170 more games than Goodwin, and for 10 years longer. And… if you want to talk simplification - the bounce to win the game never happened.

    Regardless my point was I can’t stand his game style. I think our style of football is far more engaging to watch than anything Freo put out in his time there.

    I find his belligerent, joyless coach thing tiring too.

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    10 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

    The only upside I can see if Lyon gets the job is that he no longer would be part of the Footy Classified show.  Geez, he used to [censored] on at times. 

    What, lose “You really are quite brilliant”?

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    "We had faith in Brett when we did the deal and going into the remainder of this season"

    So they had faith in Brett, right up until the last minute..

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    13 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

    I think the 6 month max payout is for AFL assisted clubs.

    That's outrageous. So coaches of assisted club have less rights. I call BS! Not you Clint, but the Coaches association should take this on.

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    2 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

    Well, that’s a little simplistic. Lyon’s coached 170 more games than Goodwin, and for 10 years longer. And… if you want to talk simplification - the bounce to win the game never happened.

    Regardless my point was I can’t stand his game style. I think our style of football is far more engaging to watch than anything Freo put out in his time there.

    I find his belligerent, joyless coach thing tiring too.

    As did Langers. 🙂

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    2 hours ago, ManDee said:

    That's outrageous. So coaches of assisted club have less rights. I call BS! Not you Clint, but the Coaches association should take this on.

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-insists-on-six-month-payout-clauses-for-coaches-20200918-p55wu1.html

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    23 hours ago, binman said:

    My gut feeling it is one of three things (in order of probability).

    1. Applying the Occam's razor principle, complete incompetence is probably the most likely reason
    2. Somewhat related to number one, back room shenanigans and shadowy conversations at board level led to identifying someone they decided they want to bring in as senior coach pronto - sack Ratten, create some space ahead of the draft and magically said person gets the gig (which might explain why the saints were so inactive in the trade period - ie they wanted to give the new guy as much input into the list as possible, and not saddle him with player types ratten was keen on)
    3. They uncovered something NQR about Ratten they knew would likely come out at some point and wanted to get ahead of that by biting the bullet and sacking Ratten now

     

     

    Looking more and more like number 2, with lyon being the coach.

    Which is appropriate, given it is a [censored] thing to do.

    If Lyon gets the gig, it worth remembering that he shafted the saints when he got tbe dockers gig.

    And in doing so Harvey was unceremoniously and unexpectedly sacked as a result.

    So he will have been involved in ruining the career of two senior coaches.

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    I predict Lyon will fail at the Saints this time around. The comp has moved on from his game style

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    8 hours ago, IRW said:

    One unlucky bounce to Stevie Miln is all that stands between Lyons and Goodwins Premiership record.

    I'd also argue that the unlucky bounce would have mattered less if St Kilda were up by 10 goals, like we were.

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    It's interesting that Ratten was at Hawthorn from 2012 to 2018. It doesn't make alot of sense that he was offered a 2 year contract extension mid-season and then terminated a few months later by the very people who extended his contract.  Might be a coincidence but maybe not.

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    4 hours ago, layzie said:

    "We had faith in Brett when we did the deal and going into the remainder of this season"

    So they had faith in Brett, right up until the last minute..

    I doubt if any on the Saints Board have any faith at all.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t Lethlean “have a bit of history” at another club or at AFL HQ?

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    Yeah the 6 month contract has bene in for a bit, I assumed it went to all clubs not just those assisted.  

    In the reports today their "leaders" said Ratten didn't have the structure within the club to help him succeed.  Then why did they sack him and not fix the support/structure problems. 

    Bit like when everyone wanted to sack Hardwick (Me too) they reviewed and changed his support and assistances and the rest is history.

    While places are limited why would you go there to coach. 

     

     

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    2 hours ago, binman said:

    Looking more and more like number 2, with lyon being the coach.

    Which is appropriate, given it is a [censored] thing to do.

    If Lyon gets the gig, it worth remembering that he shafted the saints when he got tbe dockers gig.

    And in doing so Harvey was unceremoniously and unexpectedly sacked as a result.

    So he will have been involved in ruining the career of two senior coaches.

     Very much looking more and more like  no. 2 💩 


    PS I chose your original point no. 2 only because you used the word “shenanigans” 😁

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    This is an interesting listen. Lyon gives his side of the story on leaving The Aints 

     

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