13 minutes ago, Orion said:

He won't do much.  He's depth.

Wasn't he a top ten draft pick? I doubt if Melbourne signed him up just for depth and win VFL games like Daw and Mitch Brown did for a number of years. Theyre hoping he can show what he's really got.

Going to be an interesting season season for us.

5 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Wasn't he a top ten draft pick?

Yep, but two clubs have already let him go.  That's a bit of red flag for me.

He was pick 2 but big forwards take time to mature his years at Brisbane was like Watts at Melbourne thrown in before he was ready.

At the Bulldogs his position was never secure and thrown around in various positions forward and back to fill holes. 

IIRC, when Weid (who was contacted at the time) sought to be traded out for more opportunities, we agreed to let him go, subject to getting a ‘like for like’ replacement.  We recruited Schache as that replacement, and imo he adds more to our squad, and has more ‘senior level upside’, than Weid.  Only time will tell, I guess.

21 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

IIRC, when Weid (who was contacted at the time) sought to be traded out for more opportunities, we agreed to let him go, subject to getting a ‘like for like’ replacement.  We recruited Schache as that replacement, and imo he adds more to our squad, and has more ‘senior level upside’, than Weid.  Only time will tell, I guess.

Pretty much it yeah, if Schache exceeds Weid's output then the job is done. 

2 hours ago, Orion said:

Yep, but two clubs have already let him go.  That's a bit of red flag for me.

And in his final season at Brisbane he did not play finals with his local QFL club which did not impress his team mates 

1 minute ago, Cranky Franky said:

And in his final season at Brisbane he did not play finals with his local QFL club which did not impress his team mates 

As in he chose not to play?

4 on the Bench + Sub

Schache could be a very useful weapon in a Second Half, coming on as a Fresh Player. 
As long as he is Hungry for action. We threw him a lifeline…

 

18 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Never noticed before - he's got a strange set shot kicking action.  Really stools down a bit before the ball drop.  Not a criticism as he seems to slot it through the middle well enough, so whatever works for him.  Just looks a bit weird.

Has been the same action his whole career and even in his 18’s draft year he was exactly the same.  Has always been an extremely accurate kick, 

3 hours ago, Orion said:

He won't do much.  He's depth.

Give him a chance, he is more than mere depth ... and now he is in the player development university wearing the red 'n blue and, from all reports, is keen to improve to land a regular slot in the team ... and won't that illuminate his existing critics where the sun don't shine?

Five is the kind of response in any good comp, and the game that he had to fire up.

4 hours ago, layzie said:

As in he chose not to play?

Well it was all couched in vague language - think the Club said he had fatigue but there was a fair bit of negative speculation at the time.

Don't think he is on the Lions xmas card list.

 

7 hours ago, Orion said:

Yep, but two clubs have already let him go.  That's a bit of red flag for me.

Martin Pike says hello!

28 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Martin Pike says hello!

Players failing at two clubs but succeeding at a third doesn't happen very often at all. You found one, so the signs for Schache still aren't good.

Edited March 9, 20232 yr by Orion

Fingers crossed for Josh Schache. We definitely would like to see him succeed at the Demons.🤞

 

As others have mentioned, it is primarily psychological for him.

Josh Schache needs to be totally committed to making an impact and show aggression when playing.

 

Josh certainly has the ability to make it. He just needs to put things into action.

 

Anyway, I guess time will tell if Josh can break into the senior side and contribute or not.

He is so similar to Weid it's a bit scary really. Ironical that he was in effect his replacement on our list.

Has all the skills to be a very good AFL footballer but for whatever reason can't seem to impose himself within games consistently and compete physically when needed. 

Whether either of them will ever truly make the grade is anyone's guess but we all hope Josh can now he has landed at the Dees.

Personally, I am not a fan of forwards that cannot pressure opposition backs when they don't have the ball - this area is not a strength of Josh but it needs to be if he is to get senior games IMO 

If we are being honest he is like Weid but with a bit more versatility and adaptability. Can play fwd or back He can actually take a one grab mark which was Weid's downfall IMO so all in all its a slight upgrade

20 hours ago, durango said:

He was pick 2 but big forwards take time to mature his years at Brisbane was like Watts at Melbourne thrown in before he was ready.

If he's "like" Watts then he doesn't have the necessary mongrel to succeed at AFL level.

20 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

IIRC, when Weid (who was contacted at the time) sought to be traded out for more opportunities, we agreed to let him go, subject to getting a ‘like for like’ replacement. 

So no mongrel, then.

I hope this guy succeeds (as we all did for Watts & Weid) but the historical signs aren't good.

Having the mongrel is easier said than done....

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

He is so similar to Weid it's a bit scary really. Ironical that he was in effect his replacement on our list.

Has all the skills to be a very good AFL footballer but for whatever reason can't seem to impose himself within games consistently and compete physically when needed. 

Whether either of them will ever truly make the grade is anyone's guess but we all hope Josh can now he has landed at the Dees.

Personally, I am not a fan of forwards that cannot pressure opposition backs when they don't have the ball - this area is not a strength of Josh but it needs to be if he is to get senior games IMO 

I don't think that any of our key forwards or resting ruckmen are good at applying pressure when they haven't got the ball. The issue with Weid and Schache is their 2nd efforts when they don't mark the ball. They need to stay engaged in the contest.

If our gameplan incudes bombing into the forward line with our key forwards/resting ruckmen instructed to bring the ball to ground, then Schache will struggle. If our bigs can get separation, Schache can be useful as a key forward or a depth 2nd ruckman.

Surely no one has Schache as an expected star.

1. He adds 200cm mature body depth to cover in case of injuries, and helps drive training standards because he is keen to impress the coaches.

2. With some strong form, he'll play 7-12 games and be a part of a deep, strong squad.

3. And there is a very very small chance that somehow it finally clicks and all his potential is realised.

 

We expect 1. If we get him to 2 we will consider it a massive win.

Played his best ever game as a Bulldog in defence against us in our 2021 loss to them. Could be considered as back up defender if we have multiple injuries down back.

Schache is elite around the big sticks, but I don't see him as an overall upgrade on Weideman at this stage.

22 hours ago, Deebauched said:

Wasn't he a top ten draft pick? I doubt if Melbourne signed him up just for depth and win VFL games like Daw and Mitch Brown did for a number of years. Theyre hoping he can show what he's really got.

Going to be an interesting season season for us.

He's depth. Just as Weideman had become depth. When Sam indicated to the club he wanted to move, we moved quickly for Schache. This is on the public record.

Its a long season and I very much doubt TMac and BBB at 30+ will be right to play all 22 games + finals (hopefully)...so we will need Josh at some stage 

On 3/8/2023 at 9:55 AM, DeeZone said:

One thing in Josh’s favour is that he is 200cm and can provide relief forward, back and ruck. Good luck Josh continue to build your tank, strength and physicality you could be the Ace up our sleeve at the pointy end of the season.!!!!

Providing relief forward is indeed important @DeeZee